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On May 30 2011 00:52 WhiteDog wrote:
Yeah I agree that me thinking that and me being French are connected since my country is... well.
But I'm pretty sure we would not be talking about those random dancers if they would not have been arrested. This prove that this was the best way to publicize their causes.
I have no issues with the demonstration and I have no issues with how the police handled it.
I'm not actually opposed of the act of dancing to gather attention and get a movement going. I'm opposed to the judgemental attitude some people have here regarding how the police handled it. If you go out and bug the police with things that aren't allowed by law (dancing at the memorial, provoking the police, resisting arrest, demonstrating without permit) there are certain expectations to go with that.
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On May 30 2011 00:47 Garnuba wrote:
I would really like to know whats or more like limit to the definition for dancing, because there is a grey area where you could just be walking around with your headphones in that can be considered dancing. So where do you draw the line? While enforcement of the law is important where do you separate dancing from walking? Is head-bobbing while walking/looking around considered dancing? I can see them getting arrested as they were a group performing an action , so that's protesting without a permit.Its just that gray area of whats dancing and whats not that worries me.
Well they were warned several times to stop, so the gray area would be resolved by the security on guard. They weren't merely walking around to a rhythm as a layman may; they were purposefully dancing and swinging as one would normally not do under regular circumstances. They may as well have been ballroom dancing.
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On May 30 2011 00:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:52 WhiteDog wrote:
Yeah I agree that me thinking that and me being French are connected since my country is... well.
But I'm pretty sure we would not be talking about those random dancers if they would not have been arrested. This prove that this was the best way to publicize their causes.
I have no issues with the demonstration and I have no issues with how the police handled it. I'm not actually opposed of the act of dancing to gather attention and get a movement going. I'm opposed to the judgemental attitude some people have here regarding how the police handled it.
Yeah I understood that, but I was just commenting your last sentence about "who do you vote for".
As for the cops, I think you live in a country where you don't see many cops face to face in difficult situation. You got to control their rights tightly or they can really turn out to "handle" thing in ridiculously violent manner. I think that's why many think it was excessive to slam this guy to the ground, it's not the act in itself, but the fact that the cops have the right to do it on a bunch of guy that were only dancing.
I have been in various situation with cops and I got slammed down myself for stupid reasons because where I live, cops like to slam young guys during the night.
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All I saw was a bunch of smart asses messing with the police officers who keep their country safe.Not only did they know what was going to happen but they clearly denied being guilty and ruined the memorial for basically everyone else who wasn't being a smart ass that day.
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On May 30 2011 00:46 how2TL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:35 nemo14 wrote:On May 30 2011 00:08 Alejandrisha wrote:
bunch of stupid trolls just egging on a bunch of cops. they should be arrested for being such douches Thank GOD there is someone else here who shares my views on the situation. Even if they did have the right to dance at that memorial, they should not exercise it. What purpose would doing so serve other than just acting like an offensive jackass because you think it's funny and are desperate for attention? You... do understand what a right is, correct? If you have a right, you should be free to exercise it, no matter what.
Every right comes with an increase in responsibility. I may have the right to carry an AK-47 with me while I go grocery shopping, but I do not because I would be irresponsibly distressing my fellow shoppers. I may have the right to run laps around the edge of my roof while doing tequila shots, but I do not because I would be irresponsibly endangering myself. I may have the right to destroy my neighbor's life by spilling his adultery to the local gossip page, but that does not mean I will because I have respect for his privacy.
Just because you can do something does not mean that you should do something.
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Say, we can dance
We can dance
Everything's outta control
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Wait...you can carry an AK-47 with you while you go grocery shopping in 'merica?
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On May 30 2011 01:05 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On May 30 2011 00:52 WhiteDog wrote:
Yeah I agree that me thinking that and me being French are connected since my country is... well.
But I'm pretty sure we would not be talking about those random dancers if they would not have been arrested. This prove that this was the best way to publicize their causes.
I have no issues with the demonstration and I have no issues with how the police handled it. I'm not actually opposed of the act of dancing to gather attention and get a movement going. I'm opposed to the judgemental attitude some people have here regarding how the police handled it. Yeah I understood that, but I was just commenting your last sentence about "who do you vote for". As for the cops, I think you live in a country where you don't see many cops face to face in difficult situation. You got to control their rights tightly or they can really turn out to "handle" thing in ridiculously violent manner. I think that's why many think it was excessive to slam this guy to the ground, it's not the act in itself, but the fact that the cops have the right to do it on a bunch of guy that were only dancing. I have been in various situation with cops and I got slammed down myself for stupid reasons because where I live, cops like to slam young guys during the night.
No one was treated too harshly in those videos, the guy who was slammed was resisting arrest by trying to walk away when told to go down by the officer. He got what he deserved, the only person in the whole video I feel sorry for was the protester who got half dragged away by someone else only to be put down by the police. He was not trying to resist arrest, some moron tried to pull him away.
Police can definitely get out of hand themselves, there are many fantastic examples in America of just that, this wazs not one of them, I don't think most of them are caught on camera.
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my question isn't why they were arrested its how many other people everyday go there with their headphones and are bobbin and dancing a little to the music and never get spoken to? its obvious by their attitudes what they were doing and wearing(disobey shirt) that all they were doing was something to get attention and then purposefully slammed it into overdrive the moment the cops noticed. people don't go to the Jefferson memorial to watch people dance there had to have been at least one complaint or i seriously doubt they would have taken notice. they were just being tools to the police for no reason and the only thing that they did wrong was not read miranda and tell them what they were doing wrong(or wording it poorly).
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On May 30 2011 01:10 TheFrankOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 01:05 WhiteDog wrote:On May 30 2011 00:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On May 30 2011 00:52 WhiteDog wrote:
Yeah I agree that me thinking that and me being French are connected since my country is... well.
But I'm pretty sure we would not be talking about those random dancers if they would not have been arrested. This prove that this was the best way to publicize their causes.
I have no issues with the demonstration and I have no issues with how the police handled it. I'm not actually opposed of the act of dancing to gather attention and get a movement going. I'm opposed to the judgemental attitude some people have here regarding how the police handled it. Yeah I understood that, but I was just commenting your last sentence about "who do you vote for". As for the cops, I think you live in a country where you don't see many cops face to face in difficult situation. You got to control their rights tightly or they can really turn out to "handle" thing in ridiculously violent manner. I think that's why many think it was excessive to slam this guy to the ground, it's not the act in itself, but the fact that the cops have the right to do it on a bunch of guy that were only dancing. I have been in various situation with cops and I got slammed down myself for stupid reasons because where I live, cops like to slam young guys during the night. No one was treated too harshly in those videos, the guy who was slammed was resisting arrest by trying to walk away when told to go down by the officer. He got what he deserved, the only person in the whole video I feel sorry for was the protester who got half dragged away by someone else only to be put down by the police. He was not trying to resist arrest, some moron tried to pull him away. Police can definitely get out of hand themselves, there are many fantastic examples in America of just that, this wazs not one of them, I don't think most of them are caught on camera.
So you just did not read what I said or just did not understood my point because I was not saying they were too violent, I was saying they should not have the right to slam anyone for that kind of trivial matter (the guy who resisted was not agressiv whatsoever, they could have just put him the handcuf without slamming him to the ground with no problem).
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A lot of people seem to be missing the point. The point was to get arrested, by getting arrested they can point out to others the absurdity and/or unconstitutionality of the law. That's how civil disobedience works. If you want the law to be changed, you can petition and try to get lawmakers to change it; or you can actively disobey the law to bring attention to it. Many if not all of those people (except for the guy who kept saying 'you didn't warn me') had to have known that getting arrested was a very real possibility.
The police were completely correct to arrest these people, it is not their job to interpret or disagree with laws, they are paid to enforce them. By showing the actions of the police and pointing out that there is a 'no dancing' law inside the Jefferson Memorial (something I didn't know until I saw this video) they are hoping to bring enough attention to the law to get it changed.
Edit: A Thomas Jefferson quote for good measure, "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." If we do not exercise our rights (whether some people think we should or not), we risk losing them.
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The elephant in the room is that historically cops love smashing hippies/liberals.
P.S. The law is absurd.
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On May 30 2011 01:06 JFiction wrote:
All I saw was a bunch of smart asses messing with the police officers who keep their country safe.Not only did they know what was going to happen but they clearly denied being guilty and ruined the memorial for basically everyone else who wasn't being a smart ass that day.
Is it illegal to be a smart ass? Illegal to kiss in public? I understand that the Jefferson Memorial is a place of sanction and tranquility. But silently moving your body in motions that don't disturb others is not against the law in america, at least it shouldn't be. Maybe in your country, but not ours, especially infront of the man that helped make it all happen. What the police are doing here are defying the man that is literally right in proximity of them slamming citizens with no arrest records onto the concrete. And then shoving the public and closing the place because people are dancing. They weren't protesting anything aside from seeing what they are legally within their bounds to do, which obviously isn't dancing anymore.
A cop separating a man from his wife in public for hugging and then kissing is ridiculous. Park police is serious business. Officers would be punished for such actions with Ron Paul as our president.
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On May 30 2011 01:26 aCePikNik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 01:06 JFiction wrote:
All I saw was a bunch of smart asses messing with the police officers who keep their country safe.Not only did they know what was going to happen but they clearly denied being guilty and ruined the memorial for basically everyone else who wasn't being a smart ass that day. Is it illegal to be a smart ass? Illegal to kiss in public? I understand that the Jefferson Memorial is a place of sanction and tranquility. But silently moving your body in motions that don't disturb others is not against the law in america, at least it shouldn't be. Maybe in your country, but not ours, especially infront of the man that helped make it all happen. What the police are doing here are defying the man that is literally right in proximity of them slamming citizens with no arrest records onto the concrete. And then shoving the public and closing the place because people are dancing. They weren't protesting anything aside from seeing what they are legally within their bounds to do, which obviously isn't dancing anymore. A cop separating a man from his wife in public for hugging and then kissing is ridiculous. Park police is serious business. Officers would be punished for such actions with Ron Paul as our president.
The problem is that there is a law that doesn't allow dancing in the memorial. Its the police's job to uphold laws. Don't blame them, blame the lawmakers.
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It wasn't a lawmaker that made the law, It was a judge made the call, and then a random policeman making the call that video recording was not allowed? Since when is press recording in the Jefferson memorial not allowed?
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On May 30 2011 01:08 Jesushooves wrote:
Wait...you can carry an AK-47 with you while you go grocery shopping in 'merica?
There are no federal laws against it. In most cities, you can carry unconcealed weapons at all times (but not all places, i.e. schools, airports, etc.) as long as you refrain from firing them. This does not mean that the grocery store will choose to serve you or that a helpful officer of the law will not follow you around for a while, but yes, in 'MUHRICAH you generally won't be arrested for carrying firearms unthreateningly.
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If I were in DC (which I was planning to be for a trip) then I'd be dancing away 
F the police!
User was temp banned for this post.
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I blame youtube for this kinda shit. As I'm sure someone else already said: they only did it BECAUSE they would get arrested.
Adam should really vs "the man" and go off to the alaskan wilderness. Anything short of that is just some punk ass kid trying to become famous while sucking the tit of society.
On May 30 2011 01:42 aka_star wrote:If I were in DC (which I was planning to be for a trip) then I'd be dancing away F the police!
I hope you dance in ban land for ignoring the big white sign that says "Anymore fuck the police comments after page 8 will get..."
Your comment seems sincere~
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There should be a ton of more logical ways of highlighting and in the long run change that silly law not involving provoking the police.
On the other hand the cops were unneccesary violent and not even remotely patient.
Off topic: The thing that really made me sick is that one of the officers had a bicycle helmet on with no bike in sight. If you are more than 75cm away from your bike you take your helmet off. He apparently uses his bike in his job so he should know an easy thing like that. He reaches even above Lance Armstrong level of bad taste, kinda impressive since Lance usually is the poster boy of doing it wrong when it comes to style.
Sorry for going waay off topic but that guy was just too much.
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Some people in the YouTube comments are planning on raising a rebellion to stop the filthy american tyrants.
I asked some guy if he really believes he lives in a tyrant state
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@ChaoticBlack1 uhh YEAH look around. the last time i checked police are killing handcuffed detainees for no reason in front of an entire subway audience. swat teams killing dads and husbands in front of their wives and kids. they say we have free speech but if you say something they dont like you go to jail.surveillance cameras on every corner. check points everywhere. they're trying to control the internet and the patriot act took away an privacy we had left so where do you live? cuz im in hell
My point is that some people are making a big deal out of a simple incident where the cop had no idea what he was supposed to do and the protester is being an arsehole.
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