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On May 30 2011 02:47 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 02:35 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 30 2011 02:33 PlaGuE_R wrote:
fact of the matter, this civil disobedience thing is bullshit. People dancing or swaying near a statue holds no significance, it does not harm anyone. The fact it's illegal is bullshit. in Washington state, it is ILLEGAL for a woman to have SEX even if married. Under no circumstance can a woman in Washington state ever have sex.
Technically, any woman above the age of 18 is a criminal in Washington state. how's that? You got a source for that? That makes no sense and I am very skeptic of your claim because essentially what you're saying is that no one can be born in Washington state if the law was upheld. many laws are not upheld. They are old, outdated, and never kept up with. For instance, in the state of Virginia, the only legal way to have any form of sexual contact between a male and a female is in missionary position between 2 married people on the bed, under the covers, with the lights out. This means and type of oral sex, anal, any position beyond missionary, etc... is punishable by law. If this was upheld, almost everyone i know would be thrown in jail. There are stupid laws that are often forgotten and rarely used.
There's a difference between outdated laws that suggest only one form of sexual contact (hell, there's a separate age of consent for anal sex), but one that prohibits all forms of sexual reproduction?
A bit of a stretch, no?
I've read my fair share of stupid laws, some that don't even have any more relevance or hardly ever occur in a person's life.
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I just want to say a huge el oh FRICKING el to the people comparing this guy to Rosa Parks. Get some perspective please.
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only in beaumont. Well not anymore because of kevin bacon.
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These kinda videos piss me off. Those people are intentionally doing shit they know they aren't allowed to do, whether or not the law itself is rational. They're doing it to incite a reaction and then play the innocent victim when that reaction comes.
Reality check, some people need it.
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As OP requested a sane person:
What this person did was not dancing infront of people in a public place because he felt his dancing vein was discriminated because of the court ruling. This was an act to show the states true face.
First of all i have to say that i am in full support of the oppressed and since you can never truly call a person an oppresser (only his actions) i refer to the court ruling and i am on the dancing guy's side.
Yes, freedom is super important and yes order is super important. What many people apperently fail to see is the failed structure of society that make it imposible for true freedom and true order to coexist with out undermining each other. I will not go into detail how the structure is wrong since this will take a whole book with arguments and counter arguments which i will not bother to shove down any1 throat.
If some1 wants to know what im talking about im refering to Slavoj Zizek's (sorry for spelling) book "First as tragedy, then as farce" but be aware it is very biased (Isn't all fact biased?) since he is a marxist, yes i am a communist.
And violence can NEVER be excused because of "human nature" or doing one's job. You have ALWAYS a choice when you act, and if you have taken the role in society to protect the people you are not allowed to make "mistakes" and act on anything other than the logic of well being of people. The same logic goes for leaders whereas i have never met e person suitable of being a cop or a leader.
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Is it ilegal to spell things correctly?
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So I see this thread and open it. I have no idea why. I must be some kind of closet masochist or something.
I see some OP about people getting arrested for dancing. Sure, it sounds absurd enough to draw a passing interest, but I wonder about his point. No need to wonder, he provides all I need to hear just a few posts down.
On May 29 2011 20:15 bOne7 wrote:
The cops wouldn't do anything if no psychopats would put in place laws just to arouse people's behaviour . Let's see what evolved out of this ... This may just be a small snowball , rolling and rolling and rolling until a lot of people start realizing how they're being f***ed every day of their lives with the illusion of freedoms and rights which are , in fact just ideas and fairy tale stories written on a peace of paper , which can in fact be ignored at any time , and if you don't believe this go search 1942 America Japonese people internment camps on wikipedia .... Good law abiding citizens thrown in internment camps just because their fathers were born in the wrong place .
A few posts later he manages to slip in this little gem...
On May 29 2011 20:37 bOne7 wrote:
Why am I interested in US actions ? Well , it is pretty simple ... USA is the sole superpower now ... Well China is rising up , but still it doesn't have the capability to wage war like the US has ... If this superpower slips into fascism ... Well ... It's gg humans ... Well most of us ..
My concern is that we as human beings forget the conection we had to each other and "nature" ( while ofcourse everything on this planet , even the nuclear plants are natural , because they are made by us , us being part of nature ) , and since we forgot about this conection we created a deep disturbing psychoses in our human colective psychic .. And as it seems now , most of the psychopats rule the world ... These people aren't repulsive or anything ... Look at the case of Ted Bundy ... He was a very charming and apparently decent human being ... But ... what he did ...
If you think I'm a retarted conspiracy theorist ... Well I left that behind , and now I'm trying only to give my persepctive on things , and trying to analyze every problem from both sides of the spectrum ... Making hydraulic fracturing legal . home gardening outlawed .... Man ... this is all f***ed up ..
I at least admire his ability to fit fascism, home gardening, Ted Bundy, and hydraulic fracturing into a single post.
I'm speeding through the posts now. Someone thinks a fox news affiliate is the same thing as fox news. Someone makes a Rosa Parks reference. Someone calls America the "country of controversies." Luckily Nazgul and Manifesto make an appearance to provide some sanity to the thread. But of course it is short-lived.
I skip to the last page, and see someone claiming that it's illegal for any woman to ever have sex in Washington state. Suddenly I remember a thread asking if SC2 is hurting the TL forums. I am tempted to return to it, to change my posts. I mean, could it have possibly been worse than this?
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On May 30 2011 03:01 tkRage wrote:
These kinda videos piss me off. Those people are intentionally doing shit they know they aren't allowed to do, whether or not the law itself is rational. They're doing it to incite a reaction and then play the innocent victim when that reaction comes.
It's called Civil Disobedience, and it's a useful form of protest.
No comment on the value of the actual protest.
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And every1 saying its typical USA for this to happen, common guys. This is a problem which is evident in all countries on this planet not only america (does not make more ok).
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On May 30 2011 02:06 Parnass wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 02:04 On_Slaught wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2011 02:02 aCePikNik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 01:45 MiniRoman wrote:
I blame youtube for this kinda shit. As I'm sure someone else already said: they only did it BECAUSE they would get arrested.
Adam should really vs "the man" and go off to the alaskan wilderness. Anything short of that is just some punk ass kid trying to become famous while sucking the tit of society.
Your post makes me laugh. Without people like Adam the government would be doing whatever they want with the media. People need to speak out, be rebellious and test the boundaries of the law so that the general public that keep an eye on the media have the knowledge of what is illegal and what is legal. Anyone could just decide to dance for any reason to dance while going through there. And have no awareness of it being illegal. Let alone illegal to record in there, if you don't seem to recall watching the end of the video if you even have. Ditto. Adam isn't doing this to change the world, he is doing it for publicity. If he really cared about rights he would pick one that mattered. This one does not. who are you to decide what matters? this is something he cares about and you judging that is quite pathetic. If you feel that way why don't you go devote your life to curing aids or hunger relief. See how stupid that sounds?
Do you honestly think Adam cares about the "dont dance in the memorial you disrespectful twat" law? It is quite obvious he only does it for attention.
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On May 30 2011 03:25 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 02:06 Parnass wrote:On May 30 2011 02:04 On_Slaught wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2011 02:02 aCePikNik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 01:45 MiniRoman wrote:
I blame youtube for this kinda shit. As I'm sure someone else already said: they only did it BECAUSE they would get arrested.
Adam should really vs "the man" and go off to the alaskan wilderness. Anything short of that is just some punk ass kid trying to become famous while sucking the tit of society.
Your post makes me laugh. Without people like Adam the government would be doing whatever they want with the media. People need to speak out, be rebellious and test the boundaries of the law so that the general public that keep an eye on the media have the knowledge of what is illegal and what is legal. Anyone could just decide to dance for any reason to dance while going through there. And have no awareness of it being illegal. Let alone illegal to record in there, if you don't seem to recall watching the end of the video if you even have. Ditto. Adam isn't doing this to change the world, he is doing it for publicity. If he really cared about rights he would pick one that mattered. This one does not. who are you to decide what matters? this is something he cares about and you judging that is quite pathetic. If you feel that way why don't you go devote your life to curing aids or hunger relief. See how stupid that sounds? Do you honestly think Adam cares about the "dont dance in the memorial you disrespectful twat" law? It is quite obvious he only does it for attention.
And you concluded this how?
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On May 30 2011 03:29 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 03:25 Hypemeup wrote:On May 30 2011 02:06 Parnass wrote:On May 30 2011 02:04 On_Slaught wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2011 02:02 aCePikNik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 01:45 MiniRoman wrote:
I blame youtube for this kinda shit. As I'm sure someone else already said: they only did it BECAUSE they would get arrested.
Adam should really vs "the man" and go off to the alaskan wilderness. Anything short of that is just some punk ass kid trying to become famous while sucking the tit of society.
Your post makes me laugh. Without people like Adam the government would be doing whatever they want with the media. People need to speak out, be rebellious and test the boundaries of the law so that the general public that keep an eye on the media have the knowledge of what is illegal and what is legal. Anyone could just decide to dance for any reason to dance while going through there. And have no awareness of it being illegal. Let alone illegal to record in there, if you don't seem to recall watching the end of the video if you even have. Ditto. Adam isn't doing this to change the world, he is doing it for publicity. If he really cared about rights he would pick one that mattered. This one does not. who are you to decide what matters? this is something he cares about and you judging that is quite pathetic. If you feel that way why don't you go devote your life to curing aids or hunger relief. See how stupid that sounds? Do you honestly think Adam cares about the "dont dance in the memorial you disrespectful twat" law? It is quite obvious he only does it for attention. And you concluded this how?
I would imagine the argument would be: "What sane person cares if they can or can't dance at the Jefferson Memorial?" Whoever has these thoughts are the same kind of people who have thoughts that shooting presidents can get them dates with Jodie Foster.
Actually, if that's the case, let them dance so they stand out. Easier for the cops to get a lock on and tackle those psychos.
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why is he wearing a bike helmet?
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There is a time for change and a time to just go along with how things are. These people fall into the latter group in my opinion. I don't see the need for this besides being annoying and disrupting people trying to go see the memorial.
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I skip to the last page, and see someone claiming that it's illegal for any woman to ever have sex in Washington state. Suddenly I remember a thread asking if SC2 is hurting the TL forums. I am tempted to return to it, to change my posts. I mean, could it have possibly been worse than this?
General section = SC2?
Keep cherry-picking to make a pretty poor assessment, it works wonders!
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On May 30 2011 03:36 sOda~ wrote:
why is he wearing a bike helmet?
He most likely was riding a bike. standard safety procedure, I'd imagine.
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This is a basic issue of statism vs liberty. They're basically protesting the State. Dancing on public property is a very basic expression of freedom. The police execute the orders of the State.
It's not really about being immature protestors vs rage induced cops. I hope you guys see that.
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You have ALWAYS a choice when you act, and if you have taken the role in society to protect the people you are not allowed to make "mistakes" and act on anything other than the logic of well being of people.
Then nobody can be allowed to protect people, because we're human beings, not Vulcans. Either we accept that human beings will make mistakes and excuse them when they're understandable, or we accept that no human being should be allowed to protect us.
Pick one.
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I finally made my account just for this post because I feel so strongly about it. I've been coming to TL for about two months now and I felt that I had to speak up about this issue.
The problem isn't the dancing, the problem is congregating without a license in a public place. The reason we have laws against this is that protests often turn violent or scary, so it's important that police monitor them carefully and protect everyone's rights. I'm not saying that police always do this correctly, but imagine this:
They allow these people to dance in a large group at TJ's memorial. From a legal point of view, this is very similar to allowing a large group of people to gather and burn an American flag in front of TJ. Not arresting these people dancing would open the way for the Westboro Baptists to protest in front of TJ with their campaign of hatred, and I don't think any sane person would like that.
All of you spouting things about oppression and communism are great and all, but we live in a world with misguided and hateful people who will harass, insult, and harm us. It's a thin line to walk between oppression and freedom, but so far I feel the United States is getting it very right and I definitely agree with this one.
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On May 30 2011 04:04 CowMoo wrote:They allow these people to dance in a large group at TJ's memorial. From a legal point of view, this is very similar to allowing a large group of people to gather and burn an American flag in front of TJ. Not arresting these people dancing would open the way for the Westboro Baptists to protest in front of TJ with their campaign of hatred, and I don't think any sane person would like that.
By not allowing that, you're basically taking away 1st Amendment rights. The Westboro Baptists have a right to protest, even with hate. Suppressing everyone's freedoms is not the solution to safeguard against the misguided ones.
To paraphrase Ben Franklin, you don't trade liberty for security.
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