EPTSomehow I feel like this is Incontrol's fault.
EG launch $10,000 Master's Cup Series League - Page 26
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
Somehow I feel like this is Incontrol's fault. | ||
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Mactator
109 Posts
- The tournament is small i.e. 10.000 dollars is not really that much of price compared to how big starcraft 2 really is - it is enough though. This is not the biggest event ever seen. So it's fine if EG, an american team, sets up a tournament in America where foreigners can compete on EG's conditions. At least they (or their sponsors) are paying the money. Don't make a big deal of it. There are lots of great tournaments atm in many countries. | ||
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ToTcH
Switzerland27 Posts
I think that both TL and EG said what they had to say. They explained their reasons... don't make them repeat the same post all the time. EG invited TL, they declined. That's it. Now both side should talk together to see which solution is the best for the FUTURE tourney. There is always so much trolling and so much useless posts... | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
And I am not talking about tlaf team liquid, they are slumping sooo hard recently, I wouldn't like their partecipation even by putting the lag issue aside for a moment. I just don't understand the drama here. People wanted tl to be in just out of hype, which is bad. You want good players, who show meat on the plate, not smoke...(this is what I think, I know this site is owned by tl.net, and is the home of tlaf team liquid, but the truth is the truth, tl players are slumping.) This discussion is just as bad as artosis obvious bias that got sixjax invited. (also my opinion, since sixjax players did not show me any reason to be up there with dignitas and mouz) I honestly don't know anything about millennium though.....So I cannot express my fairest opinion about their attendance in this league. | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
I could understand if casters had to dick around with a bunch of regions and accounts too, but the casts aren't being done live. I think when some people champion ESPORTS so much, they should have a look at the organisation of their own events in a critical manner. This is clearly an avoidable situation, which is/has been unfavorable for all parties involved so far (management, teams and players, and ultimately the spectator). | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
GSL hosts the World Championships and this is how the West responds. classy. | ||
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Karthane
United States1183 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:15 eggs wrote: im disappointed that that attitude for growing NA Esports is now to just neglect/isolate Korea. GSL hosts the World Championships and this is how the West responds. classy. Yeah, changing the entire tournament because of 2 players is just NEGLETING them. Give me a break. Jinro was the one making a huge arguement on how lag isn't an issue at all when playing from Korea on another server. I really don't see why, even though the rule wasn't change, Liquid didn't participate anyway. I don't know if there is some kind of fee for joining the league but it is a chance for $10k, even if lag was an issue i'd think that they would still participate just for the chance to win the money. | ||
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
On May 02 2011 17:43 infinity2k9 wrote: 2v2 is always going to be just some kind of tier 1 rush. It's not going to be particularly entertaining other than a display of early game micro. Wow you say that with a ton of confidence. Next time you goto the future can I hop in the DeLorean with you? I guess I'm the exact opposite. This is a nice change, and while I do expect some crazy stuff (and mostly tier 1), how can two pros going at it in a 2v2 not be interesting? | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:22 djWHEAT wrote: Wow you say that with a ton of confidence. Next time you goto the future can I hop in the DeLorean with you? I guess I'm the exact opposite. This is a nice change, and while I do expect some crazy stuff (and mostly tier 1), how can two pros going at it in a 2v2 not be interesting? It's interesting like seeing players offrace is interesting but it shouldn't be used to dilute a competitive league. | ||
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andrewasdf
United States3 Posts
if someone can't express their opinion on how they believe the future of sc2 and esports should be, and this league will affect it with their decisions, then without discussion it can never improve too many random people attacking jinro and spreading misinformation, discussion is getting off track | ||
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Mactator
109 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:22 djWHEAT wrote: Wow you say that with a ton of confidence. Next time you goto the future can I hop in the DeLorean with you? I guess I'm the exact opposite. This is a nice change, and while I do expect some crazy stuff (and mostly tier 1), how can two pros going at it in a 2v2 not be interesting? Well said. Note that in 1v1 there are 6 different combinations of races zvz, zvt .. etc. in 2v2 this number is much larger which allows for enormous different gameplay and game strategies. 2v2 is not trivial at all to play on a high level and I'm very excited to see some high level play here! | ||
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Mellon
Sweden917 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:22 djWHEAT wrote: Wow you say that with a ton of confidence. Next time you goto the future can I hop in the DeLorean with you? I guess I'm the exact opposite. This is a nice change, and while I do expect some crazy stuff (and mostly tier 1), how can two pros going at it in a 2v2 not be interesting? Agreed, we haven't seen the full potential of 2v2 whatsoever... Hope to see it flourish! Anyway, about the whole drama in this thread... I don't really care if the standard is EU vs NA = play on NA, that is weak as well. Doesn't matter if EU players dont complain about it, they do it cause NA players would never agree to switch servers making it equal, or at least that's the only reasoning i can see. Someone mentioned that they wanted high quality games, think it was INcontrol. The problem is that it won't be high quality even with EU vs NA where lag is just a small issue, but will always benefit NA players greatly. Just either play every other game on EU or play on another server. Quality is one thing, but quality also applies to how fair the event is, at least according to me. I don't see why TL's request wasn't accepted. 1 team vs 9 (or 7?) wants it, so what. That means every team will deal with it once, not every game. It's just a minor request and seeing as they provided that service on their own i don't see why it can't be fulfilled. I think it's weak, many people would've wanted to see TL in this tournament. | ||
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
ahh but no Empire  No Aristeo and CubertBut finally a good Teamleague ! | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:22 Karthane wrote: I really don't see why, even though the rule wasn't change, Liquid didn't participate anyway. I don't know if there is some kind of fee for joining the league but it is a chance for $10k, even if lag was an issue i'd think that they would still participate just for the chance to win the money. you really don't see why because you really don't read threads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218351¤tpage=6#107 the last paragraph in particular. come to TL.net to hype your tournament, don't accommodate TL's team, use TL.net to get views, bash TL players on TL.net forums, run another low quality tournament (2v2? sixjax?) to further cheapen NA Esports... | ||
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JiMMyUriNE
United States49 Posts
On May 02 2011 12:07 Imbajoe wrote: State of the game should be good this week  That's exactly what I was thinking about | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
It shouldn't be just Team Liquid (the team) that asks for server alternating - THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY should encourage and even insist that big tournaments involving players from different region adopt the server alternating rule, because it's in the best interest of global Starcraft 2 community and the game as a global esport for all competitions to maximize fairness and be as open and accessible to as many top players from different regions as possible. Conversely, the entire community should criticize organizers and competitions that intentionally decide to NOT do this, because they work against these interests (it's not an end-of-the-world issue of course, but it's a negative thing regardless of how little overall impact it has). We should criticize it in the same sense that we criticize bad tournament formats, streaming issues, crap map pools etc in other tournaments. Instead this whole thread is suddenly hostile towards TL, which makes zero sense whatsoever. Even putting TL's invitation aside the fact that EG decided to invite European teams into this event and force them to play on the NA server is already a negative thing in itself. Sure the teams might have accepted the invitation, and sure they might not have complained about playing on NA, but that doesn't make it good or fair. Ultimately, EG should have gone the distance to provide the most fair environment possible (and they definitely have the means and resources to do this) regardless of whether competing teams or players demand it or not. Nobody should HAVE TO demand this, it should be a standard thing because it's superior to any other solution. For whatever reason, they chose not to do this, but hopefully this thread will be good education for the future. | ||
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mechavoc
United States664 Posts
2v2 will be interesting, one more things for the pros to practice. | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
why solo cast!!!!? | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:22 djWHEAT wrote: Wow you say that with a ton of confidence. Next time you goto the future can I hop in the DeLorean with you? I guess I'm the exact opposite. This is a nice change, and while I do expect some crazy stuff (and mostly tier 1), how can two pros going at it in a 2v2 not be interesting? Because the only "crazy stuff" we'll see is t1 mass vs t1 mass or warpgate rushes? How is that interesting no matter who is playing? Seems like a lot of people don't know what high level 2v2s look like... not sure what you people have in mind but its not what you think... the only chance of a macro game is if both players dont cut worker production and expand while continuing to add mass units. | ||
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