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On February 18 2011 02:50 AyeH wrote:
stop attacking the arguer instead of his argument. and also, it's 60 fps for humans, not 30fps. get your "educated reasoning" right please. 30fps?! that's horrible... lol
You've got to be kidding me. I have offered logical explanations of my view point, I have tried very hard to address every single argument people have managed to muster. That is why my posts are so long, because I went through every single post and addressed every paragraph individually. I am not attacking anyone, but some of the things that are being said in here are straight up wrong.
On the contrary, I feel it's pretty clear that I am the one being attacked here. The guy called me a fool for having a different opinion, and there are others who have simply insulted, without offering any kind of logic. How you can say I am one of those people is beyond my comprehension...I was so clear and concise about why I actually feel the way I do, with logic, the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you're accusing me of. But then, you could only manage to address a single rather unimportant point while creating a quite insulting undertone, so I guess you're just a hypocrite.
As for the 30FPS argument, you're right about the human eye being able to perceive more. I had heard numerous times from numerous sources that 30FPS was the cutoff and adopted it without fully researching it, just looked it up and it turns out that is wrong. Grats.
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On February 18 2011 03:11 telfire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 02:50 AyeH wrote:
stop attacking the arguer instead of his argument. and also, it's 60 fps for humans, not 30fps. get your "educated reasoning" right please. 30fps?! that's horrible... lol You've got to be kidding me. I have offered logical explanations of my view point, I have tried very hard to address every single argument people have managed to muster. That is why my posts are so long, because I went through every single post and addressed every paragraph individually. I am not attacking anyone, but some of the things that are being said in here are straight up wrong. On the contrary, I feel it's pretty clear that I am the one being attacked here. The guy called me a fool for having a different opinion, and there are others who have simply insulted, without offering any kind of logic. How you can say I am one of those people is beyond my comprehension...I was so clear and concise about why I actually feel the way I do, with logic, the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you're accusing me of. But then, you could only manage to address a single rather unimportant point while creating a quite insulting undertone, so I guess you're just a hypocrite. As for the 30FPS argument, you're right about the human eye being able to perceive more. I had heard numerous times from numerous sources that 30FPS was the cutoff and adopted it without fully researching it, just looked it up and it turns out that is wrong. Grats.
Lol. The Mac is not superior to the PC, price wise, hardware wise, program wise, gaming wise, etc. Prices for the PC are MUCH more competitive and do not pay a ridiculous amount to buy a laptop with decent parts. Program wise, the Mac may come with more programs, but there are WAY more programs available to Windows than the Mac OS X. Gaming wise, Macs have nothing there. The pre-built GPUs in mac laptops are not that good. They can get you 20-40fps on full resolution most I bet. The desktops from apple are horrible compared to what you can buy with the same amount of money. the 2k you spend on a apple, you can spend on a pc that is water cooled with SLI gpu and a nice 25in screen. And it's nice to to know that anywhere you go, they'll be a PC that you are used to using. The only group of Mac users I know are designers and hipsters like college students that think having a Mac makes them cool.
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1) 40 FPS is definitely not high enough. If it was, why the heck do have all the LCDs in the past 10 years been 60 Hz minimum (or 59 Hz PAL). I'm not gonna play CS:S, a game that was released over 5 years ago at 40 FPS. I've even tried it in Windows 7, and i get maybe 5 more FPS. The fact of the matter is, I bought a Honda Civic with 120 HP when I could have paid half and bought a Ford Mustang with 3x the horsepower. Anyways, my gaming is all done on my desktop anyways, I enjoy it much more on a big ass screen, but this is irrelevant to the argument. Actually, maybe its not. I guess having a MBP/MAC laptop isn't a bad idea if you have a desktop that does the majority of your work. After effects on my MBP is not even a choice. No way in hell I'm going to even try to render anything on that. I could have paid $650 for a laptop that can actually do stuff in After Effects. We won't even touch on other software like 3Ds max, or CAD software, or industry specific software. Can you imagine trying to show a client something, and you want to customize it, but it's gonna take 10 minutes to do a rough render? Maybe you photoshop only and don't use hardware intensive programs.
2) I actually run boot camp, but as you mentioned, MAC does everything my PC does. As such, I haven't ran my windows partition for 12 months on my MBP. In fact, the reason I run OS X on my MBP is because it is actually a little bit better than Windows 7. Mostly though, this is because bootcamp drivers annoy the hell out of me. For example, I can't turn off the keyboard backlight no matter how hard I try, it'll just come back on. Also, keyspacing is lulz. Try using a PC keyboard, then a MAC keyboard, then a MAC keyboard running Windows 7. Have fun. It takes some adjusting.
3) Back to windows native performance for a second. The source engine is native to OS X. Just, OS X sucks for games. Plain and simple. Developers don't want to use it.
4) I'm not sure the MACs last longer than PCs claim is valid. First, the PC market share is orders of magnitude larger than Apple's market share. Second, you'd have to find a hardware failure rate or "software" failure rate. However, again, you can't compare because when PCs are selling 10x more is it really fair to judge.
5) Yes, of course the resale value is better. That's like saying, hey look at the resale value of my Ferrari.
6) I don't want to refurb old PowerPC macs. And who in their right mind would give me an Intel based mac? I remember when Core 2 Duo came out, the cheapest configuration was like $2500. Haha. I doubt I'd ever give away anything that I initially bought for $2500.
7) 500 mph vs 450 mph? No, hardly that. Go look at what our friend Steve Jobs is selling right now.
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC374LL/A?mco=MTc0Njg1ODA
Seriously, a Core 2 Duo is still the default CPU on a MBP 13"? A Core i5 is significantly better, and you can easily go grab a machine with an for half the price. In fact, you could have bought a machine with an i5 for half the price 6 months ago. If Apple wasn't a luxury brand, and they were the only available computer brand, it would be called price gouging. Fortunately, they're not the only computer brand. 500 mph vs 450 mph isn't even a valid argument. There are a plethora of benchmarks showing the i5 mobile architecture has made significant improvements, over 10-15% in some areas. I suppose if you like to buy old stuff for a high price MAC makes sense. Yeah, their CS is great, but they have the same 1 year warranty everyone else does. After that one year, your hardware isn't guaranteed to last a lifetime, which to be honest, I can't believe it sounds like that's what you're implying.
Bottom line: Apple sells overpriced PCs.
edit: Actually, on a further note. No one in the IT world even considers purchasing Apple crap. If you're a 'designer' you certainly know that your stuff is hosted on "PCs" running Linux. If the world ran on Apple's overpriced stuff, we wouldn't be going at 500 mph, 450 mph, or even 15 mph, we'd probably be doing something like 1 mph. The fact of the matter is that for a small amount of home users and a very small amount of professional users, MAC is attractive from a physical standpoint. If I'm a musician (as a hobby I am), I'm going to buy a PC that does the same stuff for less, and go spend another $500 on a high end condenser mic that is actually going to make my music sound good. Your view on MACs is from an extremely limited point of view as a 'designer'. I was doing research with a professor last semester, and one of his grad students had written a program for linux. Why? Well, they could set up their own cloud and get 50x the computing power for much less. I'm serious about this though, they spent roughly $10k for something like 14 quad core servers or something, all were running Linux. $10k at the apple store buys you something like 4-5 quad cores? Very few people actually NEED MACs, and in very few situations is buying Apple hardware actually ideal.
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Let's just get this clear. Hardware wise (CPU, GPU, Case, PSU, RAM, HDD, DVD/CD DRIVE), Macs don't really compare to PCs because they just jack the prices up like no other and make consumers think they use "special" parts in their laptop that you can buy for 30% of the apple price on newegg. If you want to talk about Operating Systems, that's a different story altogether.
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I buy Apple because they build their machines like brick shithouses, not out of plastic, on top of this, I get a *nix environment for any legitimate work I want to do.
My desktop machine is a "self built" PC, and I'm perfectly happy with it, but I've had countless laptops and my MBP is the only one that stands the tests of time, I looked into buying an HP Envy but they're really built quite poorly, they just look slick, plus HP scrapped the hi-res screens on them, which is the only reason I wanted one in the first place.
If money isn't a problem for you, there's essentially no reason not to buy Mac, plus you can irritate a ton of people with aspergers syndrome on the internet just by owning something.
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I have a mac because I much prefer the mac versions of creative suite programs for work, as well as other things like final cut, and I also really like the Pages word processing program that comes with iWorks. I use a PC for anything that doesn't involve work.
I used to be a real elitist about owning a PC and thought macs were an expensive fashion statement. Then I got a job and I could afford owning both. A vast number of people dislike macs because they don't see the utility and don't feel like it appeals to their aesthetic, and they should just rest easy knowing that Apple's probably not trying to pitch a mac to them. It just seems odd to hate on the stereotypical mac user for financial irresponsibility and a lack of technological awareness, when you can hate them for so many better reasons.
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On February 18 2011 05:28 yourwhiteshadow wrote:
edit: Actually, on a further note. No one in the IT world even considers purchasing Apple crap.
Yet another huge assumption based on some weak rationalization without the slightest hint of research. I mean just looking at this site alone can prove you wrong. Look at the right side of the page and you will see a pretty big link to a site called "thelittleappfactory".
But it's always so easy to fall in love with one's own ridiculous ideas if it makes one feel smarter than everyone else.
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On February 18 2011 12:23 Cloud wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 05:28 yourwhiteshadow wrote:
edit: Actually, on a further note. No one in the IT world even considers purchasing Apple crap. Yet another huge assumption based on some weak rationalization without the slightest hint of research. I mean just looking at this site alone can prove you wrong. Look at the right side of the page and you will see a pretty big link to a site called "thelittleappfactory". But it's always so easy to fall in love with one's own ridiculous ideas if it makes one feel smarter than everyone else.
Yeah I suppose IT guys need to download YouTube videos, rip DVDs, make custom iPhone ringtones, and download music and movies from the web (all of the Little App Factory stuff). Oh hey look, Amazon's EC2 service is all about using The Little App Factory stuff and MAC software. Oh wait, its not. I suggest you do some research on what "IT" is, and since you're so lazy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology
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On February 18 2011 02:50 AyeH wrote:
stop attacking the arguer instead of his argument. and also, it's 60 fps for humans, not 30fps. get your "educated reasoning" right please. 30fps?! that's horrible... lol
Don't wanna get involved into this mac thing, but had to comment here.
You are wrong AyeH, since the human eye and the subsequent perception system does not know about "fps". This immediately obvious if you remember that cinema only has 24fps @ 72Hz (that is, each frame is usually displayed 3 times to reduce flicker). Digital cinema might have higher Hz numbers. Do you notice the "low" fps in Cinema? You don't, even if the 24fps there is below the 30fps threshold mentioned earlier.
On the other hand, some people can identify aircraft types flashed to them only for the length of 1/200th of a second which is equivalent to 200fps. If you want to know more about how human visual perception works, start here:
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
I personally noticed the difference between 85 and 125 fps on my old CRT screen in quake 3, not only because of the movement but it would also render much smoother.
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On February 18 2011 15:06 yourwhiteshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 12:23 Cloud wrote:On February 18 2011 05:28 yourwhiteshadow wrote:
edit: Actually, on a further note. No one in the IT world even considers purchasing Apple crap. Yet another huge assumption based on some weak rationalization without the slightest hint of research. I mean just looking at this site alone can prove you wrong. Look at the right side of the page and you will see a pretty big link to a site called "thelittleappfactory". But it's always so easy to fall in love with one's own ridiculous ideas if it makes one feel smarter than everyone else. Yeah I suppose IT guys need to download YouTube videos, rip DVDs, make custom iPhone ringtones, and download music and movies from the web (all of the Little App Factory stuff). Oh hey look, Amazon's EC2 service is all about using The Little App Factory stuff and MAC software. Oh wait, its not. I suggest you do some research on what "IT" is, and since you're so lazy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology
Pray tell me where in IT are there no software applications? I think you're the one that doesn't know anything about IT. Did you know there are a lot of programmers that wouldn't like to be called IT?
Oh hey, over 5 million downloads on one of the apps in that site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPodRip
Maybe you'd like to drop your condescending tone?
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On February 18 2011 16:09 Cloud wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 15:06 yourwhiteshadow wrote:On February 18 2011 12:23 Cloud wrote:On February 18 2011 05:28 yourwhiteshadow wrote:
edit: Actually, on a further note. No one in the IT world even considers purchasing Apple crap. Yet another huge assumption based on some weak rationalization without the slightest hint of research. I mean just looking at this site alone can prove you wrong. Look at the right side of the page and you will see a pretty big link to a site called "thelittleappfactory". But it's always so easy to fall in love with one's own ridiculous ideas if it makes one feel smarter than everyone else. Yeah I suppose IT guys need to download YouTube videos, rip DVDs, make custom iPhone ringtones, and download music and movies from the web (all of the Little App Factory stuff). Oh hey look, Amazon's EC2 service is all about using The Little App Factory stuff and MAC software. Oh wait, its not. I suggest you do some research on what "IT" is, and since you're so lazy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology Pray tell me where in IT are there no software applications? I think you're the one that doesn't know anything about IT. Did you know there are a lot of programmers that wouldn't like to be called IT? Oh hey, over 5 million downloads on one of the apps in that site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPodRipMaybe you'd like to drop your condescending tone?
I didn't say there are no applications in IT. You're just assuming I said that. What I said was that people in the IT industry rarely look to MACs to for anything but personal use. Over 99% of MACs will always be used for personal use, that's simply it. Intensive computing, servers, etc will continue to be on "PCs" because of the cost effective scalability. Oh cool, 5 million downloads of some ipodrip program that's probably stored on a Linux server. I guess that's supposed to make a school or company's computers run faster... I'm not quite sure how thelittleappfactory is important for IT people to complete their job. But when loyal MAC users need to defend their crippled poodle they will do anything. While I love my MAC, its a built like a rock and all, its just too slow for what I need to do compared to other operating systems.
Unfortunately, if you design software that deals with data acquisition or databasing you are in IT.
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Yeah.. I guess the little app factory was dumb enough to not realize that there are more than 5 million people studying in a school or working in a company and make "real IT work", oh wait.. And what's that? You did not say that "people in the IT industry rarely look at MACs" you said and I quote:
No one in the IT world even considers purchasing Apple crap.
But it's good progress that you just changed no one for rarely. Maybe once you get your head out of your ass and realize that you didn't even have to navigate out of this page to find an example of a software company using Macs then you'll make an even more reasonable assumption. Also, your mac is too slow for what? Gaming? Or some actual work? The same cheap processors found in your average highschooler's comp were used 2-3 years ago to power up servers like yahoo's. Hardware advances way faster than software you know.
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On February 18 2011 17:21 Cloud wrote:Yeah.. I guess the little app factory was dumb enough to not realize that there are more than 5 million people studying in a school or working in a company and make "real IT work", oh wait.. And what's that? You did not say that "people in the IT industry rarely look at MACs" you said and I quote: But it's good progress that you just changed no one for rarely. Maybe once you get your head out of your ass and realize that you didn't even have to navigate out of this page to find an example of a software company using Macs then you'll make an even more reasonable assumption. Also, your mac is too slow for what? Gaming? Or some actual work? The same cheap processors found in your average highschooler's comp were used 2-3 years ago to power up servers like yahoo's. Hardware advances way faster than software you know.
Do you realize what I'm trying to say? I'm trying to say people in the IT industry that do IT work. I'm not taking into account their personal lives. Find me a legitimate handful of companies that have an IT department that rips ipod songs or w/e that program does. There isn't one. TheLittleAppFactory just writes software for personal use. Yeah they are an exception to my rule, but c'mon, someone has to write the software for MACs. I mean, Adobe brought CS5 to the MAC... You're counting the obvious software companies that write software FOR macs, I'm not. Also, I obviously checked out the little app factory's website, and how dumb do you think I am to not realize that there are independent vendors that write and sell software for MAC?
My mac is too slow for tons of stuff. Have you ever tried making a 48"x36" poster with tons of scientific data in Adobe Illustrator on a MBP? Yeah, have fun with that. Have you tried rendering molecular models of proteins on a dual core for a publication? Let me know when you've done those things. Have you ever tried to do special effects in Adobe After Effects? Does that qualify for "actual work"? A ridiculous amount of computing intensive research takes place on Linux. Other stuff is pretty much more cost effective on "PCs". Oh hold up, my building's retina access database and badge access is done through a Windows machine...big surprise.
I think you need to get out of your egocentric mindset and realize that the world does not revolve around you or any single person. MACs are essentially only good for one thing, and ironically that is for being a personal computer. Yeah, you can use it for work, like CS5, making music, etc, but you can use a "PC" for those things as well. I hope you hold Apple shares, otherwise you're just a pawn in their ridiculous moneymaking scheme.
Of course the same processors in your average high schooler's comp were used to power up yahoo servers 2-3 years ago. That's because thanks to operating systems such as linux, you can cluster computers to provide ridiculous amounts of power.
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On February 18 2011 15:06 yourwhiteshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 12:23 Cloud wrote:On February 18 2011 05:28 yourwhiteshadow wrote:
edit: Actually, on a further note. No one in the IT world even considers purchasing Apple crap. Yet another huge assumption based on some weak rationalization without the slightest hint of research. I mean just looking at this site alone can prove you wrong. Look at the right side of the page and you will see a pretty big link to a site called "thelittleappfactory". But it's always so easy to fall in love with one's own ridiculous ideas if it makes one feel smarter than everyone else. Yeah I suppose IT guys need to download YouTube videos, rip DVDs, make custom iPhone ringtones, and download music and movies from the web (all of the Little App Factory stuff). Oh hey look, Amazon's EC2 service is all about using The Little App Factory stuff and MAC software. Oh wait, its not. I suggest you do some research on what "IT" is, and since you're so lazy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology
I'm a programmer for one of the largest companies in the world (You are using their product right now I bet), and I own a Mac. I'd much rather work in a *nix environment than a Windows one.
EDIT: Also, this is generally the case with most professionals, your anecdotal evidence is misleading and inaccurate.
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I think there is no reason to get a MAC instead of a PC. You can install MAC on a PC, and PCs are cheaper anyway. So I agree with the OP, MAC is pretty redundant in comparison to PC.
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I personally have been using macs since I was 6 years old. Back then they were just grey boxes like normal PCs, not "cool" looking in any way. I guess I just sticked to them because I knew them.
What I still like about my iMacs though, is that I never have any problems whatsoever with them. Sure, I payed a higher price than my room mate, who bought every piece at a different store and built it together himself. All I had to do was order the iMac I wanted online, and with my 20% student bonus that wasn't such a bad deal after all. My mate's PC crashes all the time, he tried to explain to me why, but I don't really care.
TL:DR:
why would I not get a Mac if I can afford it, and don't know shit about how computers work?
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On February 18 2011 17:38 yourwhiteshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 17:21 Cloud wrote:Yeah.. I guess the little app factory was dumb enough to not realize that there are more than 5 million people studying in a school or working in a company and make "real IT work", oh wait.. And what's that? You did not say that "people in the IT industry rarely look at MACs" you said and I quote: No one in the IT world even considers purchasing Apple crap. But it's good progress that you just changed no one for rarely. Maybe once you get your head out of your ass and realize that you didn't even have to navigate out of this page to find an example of a software company using Macs then you'll make an even more reasonable assumption. Also, your mac is too slow for what? Gaming? Or some actual work? The same cheap processors found in your average highschooler's comp were used 2-3 years ago to power up servers like yahoo's. Hardware advances way faster than software you know. Do you realize what I'm trying to say? I'm trying to say people in the IT industry that do IT work. I'm not taking into account their personal lives. Find me a legitimate handful of companies that have an IT department that rips ipod songs or w/e that program does. There isn't one. TheLittleAppFactory just writes software for personal use. Yeah they are an exception to my rule, but c'mon, someone has to write the software for MACs. I mean, Adobe brought CS5 to the MAC... You're counting the obvious software companies that write software FOR macs, I'm not. Also, I obviously checked out the little app factory's website, and how dumb do you think I am to not realize that there are independent vendors that write and sell software for MAC? My mac is too slow for tons of stuff. Have you ever tried making a 48"x36" poster with tons of scientific data in Adobe Illustrator on a MBP? Yeah, have fun with that. Have you tried rendering molecular models of proteins on a dual core for a publication? Let me know when you've done those things. Have you ever tried to do special effects in Adobe After Effects? Does that qualify for "actual work"? A ridiculous amount of computing intensive research takes place on Linux. Other stuff is pretty much more cost effective on "PCs". Oh hold up, my building's retina access database and badge access is done through a Windows machine...big surprise. I think you need to get out of your egocentric mindset and realize that the world does not revolve around you or any single person. MACs are essentially only good for one thing, and ironically that is for being a personal computer. Yeah, you can use it for work, like CS5, making music, etc, but you can use a "PC" for those things as well. I hope you hold Apple shares, otherwise you're just a pawn in their ridiculous moneymaking scheme. Of course the same processors in your average high schooler's comp were used to power up yahoo servers 2-3 years ago. That's because thanks to operating systems such as linux, you can cluster computers to provide ridiculous amounts of power.
You keep mentioning Linux and for whatever reason I can't understand, you also compare it to a Mac. What does the OS have to do with anything? We're talking about computers here. And either way, Linux doesn't come bundled in almost any machine in the market. You either buy a Windows machine or a Mac OS machine and then install your flavor of Linux. The only explanation I can think of is that since you're assuming that Macs are sooo much more expensive than regular PCs then you absolutely must use their OS. But wait, the actual total cost of ownership of a Windows machine is higher than that of a Mac OS machine.
Funny how you mention Adobe and Linux in the same breath. Adobe is notorious for not giving adequate support for anything that isn't Windows. Particularly if you're talking about Linux. Every program of theirs pretty much sucks ass is you're trying to use it on a Linux machine.
And well, you assume that your company uses Windows for their retina access databases because it's the best choice? How did you come to that conclusion? Are you a programmer? - obviously not. Is the guy who decided to use Windows a programmer? You know in the IT world, standard practice is not best practice. For proof of that you only need to read any blog about a successful startup and you'll notice that not a single one of them ever used any proprietary technology (read: standard or popular technology). Oh and if you ask them what kind of computers they used? Well first off, laptops are an absolute must and macbooks are jut unparalleled, besides their cost when compared to an equivalent Windows laptop (in Hardware parts) is almost the same, but you get everything from design to superior customer support, and better support for other OSs that just doesn't come with Windows laptops.
And you're calling me egocentric? Screw you dude, you're the one that claimed that no one in the IT world would ever consider using macs, you were proved wrong. You used phrases like "my rule" and "people in IT business who do IT work" to demean those who (in your opinion) don't, when you're obviously not a programmer. I don't even need to like Macs to tell you're completely wrong since you're so intent on dealing with absolutes.
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Here's what computers scientists/hackers think about the mac; hint: people with a bit more taste than angsty 15 year olds that think their self worth is being insulted by the mythical arrogant mac user.
http://www.paulgraham.com/mac.html
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I know a guy who worked at Logitech in the call center (tech help), he said he got more calls from Macs crashing than he did Vista.
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On February 19 2011 01:53 Cloud wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 17:38 yourwhiteshadow wrote:On February 18 2011 17:21 Cloud wrote:Yeah.. I guess the little app factory was dumb enough to not realize that there are more than 5 million people studying in a school or working in a company and make "real IT work", oh wait.. And what's that? You did not say that "people in the IT industry rarely look at MACs" you said and I quote: No one in the IT world even considers purchasing Apple crap. But it's good progress that you just changed no one for rarely. Maybe once you get your head out of your ass and realize that you didn't even have to navigate out of this page to find an example of a software company using Macs then you'll make an even more reasonable assumption. Also, your mac is too slow for what? Gaming? Or some actual work? The same cheap processors found in your average highschooler's comp were used 2-3 years ago to power up servers like yahoo's. Hardware advances way faster than software you know. Do you realize what I'm trying to say? I'm trying to say people in the IT industry that do IT work. I'm not taking into account their personal lives. Find me a legitimate handful of companies that have an IT department that rips ipod songs or w/e that program does. There isn't one. TheLittleAppFactory just writes software for personal use. Yeah they are an exception to my rule, but c'mon, someone has to write the software for MACs. I mean, Adobe brought CS5 to the MAC... You're counting the obvious software companies that write software FOR macs, I'm not. Also, I obviously checked out the little app factory's website, and how dumb do you think I am to not realize that there are independent vendors that write and sell software for MAC? My mac is too slow for tons of stuff. Have you ever tried making a 48"x36" poster with tons of scientific data in Adobe Illustrator on a MBP? Yeah, have fun with that. Have you tried rendering molecular models of proteins on a dual core for a publication? Let me know when you've done those things. Have you ever tried to do special effects in Adobe After Effects? Does that qualify for "actual work"? A ridiculous amount of computing intensive research takes place on Linux. Other stuff is pretty much more cost effective on "PCs". Oh hold up, my building's retina access database and badge access is done through a Windows machine...big surprise. I think you need to get out of your egocentric mindset and realize that the world does not revolve around you or any single person. MACs are essentially only good for one thing, and ironically that is for being a personal computer. Yeah, you can use it for work, like CS5, making music, etc, but you can use a "PC" for those things as well. I hope you hold Apple shares, otherwise you're just a pawn in their ridiculous moneymaking scheme. Of course the same processors in your average high schooler's comp were used to power up yahoo servers 2-3 years ago. That's because thanks to operating systems such as linux, you can cluster computers to provide ridiculous amounts of power. You keep mentioning Linux and for whatever reason I can't understand, you also compare it to a Mac. What does the OS have to do with anything? We're talking about computers here. And either way, Linux doesn't come bundled in almost any machine in the market. You either buy a Windows machine or a Mac OS machine and then install your flavor of Linux. The only explanation I can think of is that since you're assuming that Macs are sooo much more expensive than regular PCs then you absolutely must use their OS. But wait, the actual total cost of ownership of a Windows machine is higher than that of a Mac OS machine. Funny how you mention Adobe and Linux in the same breath. Adobe is notorious for not giving adequate support for anything that isn't Windows. Particularly if you're talking about Linux. Every program of theirs pretty much sucks ass is you're trying to use it on a Linux machine. And well, you assume that your company uses Windows for their retina access databases because it's the best choice? How did you come to that conclusion? Are you a programmer? - obviously not. Is the guy who decided to use Windows a programmer? You know in the IT world, standard practice is not best practice. For proof of that you only need to read any blog about a successful startup and you'll notice that not a single one of them ever used any proprietary technology (read: standard or popular technology). Oh and if you ask them what kind of computers they used? Well first off, laptops are an absolute must and macbooks are jut unparalleled, besides their cost when compared to an equivalent Windows laptop (in Hardware parts) is almost the same, but you get everything from design to superior customer support, and better support for other OSs that just doesn't come with Windows laptops. And you're calling me egocentric? Screw you dude, you're the one that claimed that no one in the IT world would ever consider using macs, you were proved wrong. You used phrases like "my rule" and "people in IT business who do IT work" to demean those who (in your opinion) don't, when you're obviously not a programmer. I don't even need to like Macs to tell you're completely wrong since you're so intent on dealing with absolutes.
ROFL. You use a bias source to prove your point? Look at the heading about what OpenSurge is. LOL. "We are big mac fans and love helping fans avoid the microsoft tax" Wow dude. Seriously? Nice try.
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