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On January 07 2011 17:02 SmoKim wrote:Am i the only one who is bothered that we as a community is split-up and almost working against eachother? reading this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182288 and seeing how people go "lololol so awesome SC2 dies, BW 4life!" and similar response from trolls in BW section saying "BW will die soon, kthxbai". I thought TL users as a community was way above behavior like that, but ever since beta/launch it's only gotten worse and worse  i can't be the only one who thinks that pretty sad and disapointing?
You have to keep in mind, the game just came out. I'd be willing to bet that along with a new game comes a new community comprised with a lot of young gamers. They will dissipate as time goes on.
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Marvel vs Capcom 3 comes out Feb 15th...
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On January 07 2011 16:43 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 16:21 vek wrote:
Unless there are some really sweeping changes in HotS like the complete removal of all the current boring units, huge improvements to battle.net 2.0 and a map/ladder system that doesn't rely on Blizzard's direct involvement I will be giving it a miss.
SC2 is just not that good. People saying it shouldn't be compared to BW or that it needs more time are delusional. It has to be compared to BW because right now BW is the better game. SC2 doesn't need more time, all more time will do is ensure no one plays it a year from now. What SC2 needs most right now are changes to the core gameplay and mechanics of the game to make it more fun to play and watch.
Brood War has such solid gameplay and unit relationships that you would have to have severe brain damage to not want use it as a foundation for the core gameplay. Sure there are things in BW that need fixing and improvement - this is what many people expected SC2 was going to deliver.
Instead we ended up with CnC5: Starcraft. With features including unmicroable units, hard counters, poor map design and no multiplayer advancements except a good AMS.
When I think back to when I played SC2 the only thing I can honesly say was a big improvement from BW is AMS, every other change (if I am completely honest and objective) is worse from a pure competetive gaming point of view. For the casual gaming "CoD" crowd the changes are great. For me... that's not why I want to play or spectate Starcraft. Sorry, what's AMS? O_o
AMS = Auto Matchmaking System. Even though the ladder isn't very good at showing true rankings the matchmaking on it's own does do a great job at matching you with opponents close to your skill level and stops smurfing. I think AMS was a great feature in SC2.
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well that's... disappointing i guess? The game isnt that good yet and the expectations are high as hell, but still, that's dissapointing
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The game is not as exciting as BW yet because people are still figuring it out. We might just need to give it some time.
Edit: I feel like the games I have played my self have gotten quite a bit more exciting just because I am getting better and have a great understanding of the basics thus allowing me to focus more on small exciting play. Its not always one player rolling over the other like a few months ago. Clearly the pros are much farther ahead in this process of learning then I my self am... thus I think its just a matter of time before SC2 is as exciting as BW.
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IMO GOM has to change the format of the GSL back to what it was in Seasons 1, 2 and 3 including the qualifiers before the tournaments. Also they can't have like 10 games every day and expect people showing up regularly everyday - they give free pizza though 
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I'm kinda happy with this . With all the talk how SC 2 was gonna replace BW in korea from blinded SC 2 fanbois and the polls on how much OSLs are left , all those threads about BW beind dead . BW korean scene is not on the decline as some people say , maybe it's past it's peak , but it is still going strong since the tournaments are geting big sponsors .
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As one who spectates both Brood War and SC2, I must say the average game quality of BW is much greater than SC2. Other than the fact SC2 has better graphics, excellent English commentators and is about the game I am currently playing, GSL has very little attraction for me.
One of the greater issues is that there is no fan loyalty to a particular team or a player. There is no team league in SC2 and vast majority of SC2 players are little more than random scrubs. Keep in mind that the fan bases of Boxer and Nada are all BW audiences. The only player that stepped up into fame and attract fanbase through only his SC2 achievement is Fruitdealer, who has produced poor results after GSL1.
Personally, I don't really find NesTea and MC to be all that amazing, from an audience's perspective. BW games are much more worthy of spectatorship.
I am uncertain how long GOM can keep this up. The prize money and production cost involved in their GSL and other tourneys are enormous. They are really gambling their company's entire asset. I am 100% certain that GOM is not profiting, but rather bordering on going into the reds.
Let's face it. The VAST majority of GSL games are not worth watching. They are repetitive and the cheese fest did not help. The map pool is to be blamed, and so are other factors. A good portion of the past "epic SC2" games are really no more amazing than a standard play match in the current BW scene. They were only epic because most GSL matches end in 8 minutes.
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On January 07 2011 17:03 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 17:02 SmoKim wrote:Am i the only one who is bothered that we as a community is split-up and almost working against eachother? reading this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182288 and seeing how people go "lololol so awesome SC2 dies, BW 4life!" and similar response from trolls in BW section saying "BW will die soon, kthxbai". I thought TL users as a community was way above behavior like that, but ever since beta/launch it's only gotten worse and worse i can't be the only one who thinks that pretty sad and disapointing? I'd be willing to posit that there's a separate SC2 community and BW community, with some members being a part of both.
It just bothers me how instead of well respecting both sides, people choose a side and either defend their game, and attack the other
i hate to use this example, but it reminds me of the Console/PC troll wars that's been going on for years now(only gotten worse obv in recent years) instead of "rive and rean - incontrol" the fans care more about news that "PS3 games have horrible sales numbers", "Xbox RROD lolol pwned" and the classic "PC gaming is dead(notice how similar the last one is with SC2 vs BW)
what im trying to say is, isn't it completely ridiculous that people just wanna see the other side burn to the grown? Why are so many caring more about the failure of the other side, than just stay quiet and enjoy what you prefer
it just really bothers me
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People like to hate on SC2 because it's cool to hate on the current Blizzard. No matter the age of the game or whether or not it gets a larger audience, people will always hate it. It's just retarded trash like arguing over which console is better.
We should be more mature than this for chrissakes.
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On January 07 2011 17:22 raga4ka wrote:
I'm kinda happy with this . With all the talk how SC 2 was gonna replace BW in korea from blinded SC 2 fanbois and the polls on how much OSLs are left , all those threads about BW beind dead . BW korean scene is not on the decline as some people say , maybe it's past it's peak , but it is still going strong since the tournaments are geting big sponsors .
Definitely. I do not notice any signs of decline since 2008. Of course, it has "declined" compared to 2003-2005 or so when BW was truly a national craze in Korea. Instead of "decline," I sort of see it as a stabilization.
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Imo MLG is a joy to watch. Cool long games that are entertaining watch. GSL on the other hand mainly conists of 5-15 min games that arent fun to watch at all. watching MLG is really awesome, and i try not to miss a single game, even if the players arent as good as they are in the GSL.
Why do foreigners play longer macro games while koreans do the opposite? Seems like it should be the other way around :S
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You have to blame GSL restricting the broadcasting right everywhere.
When the match is not on common websites like youtube and people have to go through tedious signing-up process in order to watch it, most people wont give this event a damn.
Furthermore, restricting broadcasting right = killing the effect of advertiement.
Blizzard should stop being a whining little bitch about the broadcasting right and make the right decision for GSL
Of course, SC2 is too fast and too cheesy as compared to SC1, it makes the game look retarded and boring with mass nerd strategies like all-in ,2 Rex, unexpected heavy air harrass and many others easy and strong cheeses
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On January 07 2011 17:23 dukethegold wrote:
I am uncertain how long GOM can keep this up. The prize money and production cost involved in their GSL and other tourneys are enormous. They are really gambling their company's entire asset. I am 100% certain that GOM is not profiting, but rather bordering on going into the reds.
What? With all the sc2 players just handing them cash for every GSL?
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On January 07 2011 08:08 Woyn wrote:
Having just read this myself, I must say this is very very concering indeed, id like to hear anyone with insider input explain the reasons?? I thought SC2 had gained abit more popularity since Season 1/2 in Korea
oh umm a few things happened in brood war mainly flash losing to scrubs which sparked quite a bit of interest as well as bisu coming back meaning and equals way less people want to watch sc2 now
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They need a Proleague. They need some way for people to get emotionally attached to not only the game, but the players. That aspect is soooo important in e-sports.
Plus they need to cool it and not do a new tournament every damn month!
Take some advice from the OSL and MSL!?!?!?!
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On January 07 2011 17:30 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 17:23 dukethegold wrote:
I am uncertain how long GOM can keep this up. The prize money and production cost involved in their GSL and other tourneys are enormous. They are really gambling their company's entire asset. I am 100% certain that GOM is not profiting, but rather bordering on going into the reds.
What? With all the sc2 players just handing them cash for every GSL?
What are you talking about? There is no registration fee. The amount of commercial revenue is directly proportional to the ratings.
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On January 07 2011 17:37 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 17:30 TrainSamurai wrote:On January 07 2011 17:23 dukethegold wrote:
I am uncertain how long GOM can keep this up. The prize money and production cost involved in their GSL and other tourneys are enormous. They are really gambling their company's entire asset. I am 100% certain that GOM is not profiting, but rather bordering on going into the reds.
What? With all the sc2 players just handing them cash for every GSL? What are you talking about? There is no registration fee. The amount of commercial revenue is directly proportional to the ratings.
Talking about season tickets.
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Dukethegold is right GSL isn't even worth staying up for it's pure cheese everygame. Also SC2 seems slower and very boring to watch..
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