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GTR
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Spacemanspiff
United States116 Posts
While we are at it, what percentage of BW and SC2 viewers are in SK in tournaments across the world? Might SK even be in the minority for SC2? | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On January 07 2011 15:58 Spacemanspiff wrote: For comparison, what are the opening day numbers for the BW tournaments currently? What were they 6 months after BW launched? What about including online viewers in the total? Without those numbers how many people showed up has no context to argue anything. While we are at it, what percentage of BW and SC2 viewers are in SK in tournaments across the world? Might SK even be in the minority for SC2? doubt BW had 349785982345345 millionen doller thrown in back then hm? this "oh BW back then blablal" is like the most stupid "argument" in this whole thread... | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
People are expecting too much too fast from this game. The Korea SC2 is launching into is not the same Korea from 10 years ago. Seriously, as many said so far MMORPGS are the new hot thing over there. Also you guys need to think that SC2 is competing against an already popular and established BW, what where you expecting? Suddenly all the BW fans would just switch over to SC2?This kind of stuff takes a lot of time to happen, and honestly I don't really want that. I'd really like if we stopped this "Us vs Them" mentality, SC2 is not going to replace BW, Blizzard knows that SC2 needs to be its own game and that is why they tried to make it different.I don't think SC2 will continue doing badly,I think it will find its niche where it can co exist with BW. And Blizzard should not make rushed decisions to spice the game up or some dumb crap like that, the only thing that can be done about this should be along the lines off: -Blizzard should just try to make the game as balanced and as fun as possible while taking calm decisions. No need to try to change the game to up the viewers(well, just for the sake of that) -GOM really needs to get a Map team and basically try to make the games as entertaining as possible -The players should just continue to do what they do best. Really, I just don't see the need to try to force anything more than it should be. Let everything evolve organically | ||
Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
It's like fitting an infant against his 10 year old brother. It will take a few years, when SC2 realizes they need bigger 1v1 maps, to see amazing games/moves more regularly. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
Just a thought as to why not that many people are showing up :D | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
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butter
United States785 Posts
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On January 07 2011 08:21 legaton wrote: Come on, what's so surprising about it? I watch BW and SC2 religiously, but the gap between these two games is obvious. BW is a thousand times more mechanically taxing than SC2, and the strategic thinking and ability of BW programmers is unparalleled. SC2 is just not as rewarding for the viewer. When i see a BW match, i'm almost sure i'm going to see a level of play unachievable to me, even on the worst games. GSL looks just like a random ladder game between 3K diamonds. I agree with this Though I admit, a lot of entertainment (for me) from the GSL is from Artosis and Tasteless. Can't say it's not entertaining sometimes to watch those 2 commentate (whether the game itself is dull or not). Though about going to the GSL in person, the problem with this is that there are just too many games. Practically every day and there are opening ceremonies every month. Would people really want to go all the way down there every day? Also it's the winter, it's cold outside. Online viewer numbers are much more important. Also it's "e"-sports, most audiences prefer watching from some sort of "e"lectronic device rather than going over there live. Unlike live sports, there's no (gameplay) viewer enhancement for being there live (you actually see more action while watching at home with the full in game screen). So to recap: 1. It's cold outside. 2. It's a hassle going back and forth from the studio when you can just watch in the comfort of your home. 3. Adding onto number 2, it's also played nearby every day. I mean it's not like the summer Olympics which occurs only once every 4 years; you won't be getting huge numbers in the opening ceremony of something that's done monthly. 4. There's no real viewing enhancement for being live at the event as opposed to just watching on a computer. Online viewing numbers are the important thing. As for low attendees for BW, it's televised. | ||
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
On January 07 2011 16:02 Utinni wrote: SC2 is under a year old. There will be 2 expansions worth of content.... There will be SC2 for years to come... get over it. BW is not going to die any time soon either. It's like fitting an infant against his 10 year old brother. It will take a few years, when SC2 realizes they need bigger 1v1 maps, to see amazing games/moves more regularly. On January 07 2011 15:58 Spacemanspiff wrote: For comparison, what are the opening day numbers for the BW tournaments currently? What were they 6 months after BW launched? What about including online viewers in the total? Without those numbers how many people showed up has no context to argue anything. While we are at it, what percentage of BW and SC2 viewers are in SK in tournaments across the world? Might SK even be in the minority for SC2? I do think saying SC2 needs time to grow is valid, but comparing the SC2 tournaments at release to BW tournaments at release needs to stop. To say that SC2's popularity as an eSport is completely unaffected by BW's history is just silly. They are not starting in the same place; SC2 is building on BW. | ||
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psycow
55 Posts
Crowd was absolutely packed the whole day with lines forming at 13:30 for the 18:00 games. Vuvuzuelas and horns brought in by the crowds and I honestly thought there'd be a punch up after the game between the two supporting groups -- the atmosphere was that heated! Early season was drab with many progamers depressed that the crowds were smaller but I think we can put those worries to rest now. I watch the Korean GSL steam when I can find a Korean restream (I'm Korean). Unlike the english stream that's fixed on tastosis most of the time, the Korean stream wanders around the studio much more to reveal all the empty seats. The Korean boards are full of complaints of all the all-ins and boring gameplay. Many of the fervent SC2 supporters are quietly acknowledging SC2 will never take over BW in e-sports. You can thank Dustin "WHATS COOOOOOOOOOOL?????????" Browden for how bad SC2 turned out. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
-Look at how popular BW was when it was only x months old. The beginnings of SC2 and BW could not be any different. Esports did not exist prior to BW -- what happened was something truly remarkable, and this happened because the game itself was remarkable. SC2 has a precedence in BW, massive funding, unprecedented hype, and some infrastructure (of which BW had none initially). -It is cold outside in korea, so the audience is small. If anything, I've noticed that BW audience recently has never been bigger. For many of the events recently, it is said that many people weren't able to grab a seat, even in the larger OGN venue (which seems to house at least 200 people). And we are not talking about OSL or MSL finals here. OSL Ro16 and proleague matches. -SC2 can survive without Korea since it is already so much bigger outside korea than BW was. just LOL you are superbly naive if you think this. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On January 07 2011 16:09 Cofo wrote: To say that SC2's popularity as an eSport is completely unaffected by BW's history is just silly. They are not starting in the same place; SC2 is building on BW. This is the stupid mindset that everyone needs to drop in every aspect of discussion. SC2 is not at the same point BW was. SC2 is completely built on BW. This means the game is more figured out at this point than BW was a year after release. This also means SC2's popularity should not be compared to that of BW 1 year after launch. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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vek
Australia936 Posts
SC2 is just not that good. People saying it shouldn't be compared to BW or that it needs more time are delusional. It has to be compared to BW because right now BW is the better game. SC2 doesn't need more time, all more time will do is ensure no one plays it a year from now. What SC2 needs most right now are changes to the core gameplay and mechanics of the game to make it more fun to play and watch. Brood War has such solid gameplay and unit relationships that you would have to have severe brain damage to not want use it as a foundation for the core gameplay. Sure there are things in BW that need fixing and improvement - this is what many people expected SC2 was going to deliver. Instead we ended up with CnC5: Starcraft. With features including unmicroable units, hard counters, poor map design and no multiplayer advancements except a good AMS. When I think back to when I played SC2 the only thing I can honesly say was a big improvement from BW is AMS, every other change (if I am completely honest and objective) is worse from a pure competetive gaming point of view. For the casual gaming "CoD" crowd the changes are great. For me... that's not why I want to play or spectate Starcraft. | ||
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
On January 07 2011 16:18 psycow wrote: The Korean boards are full of complaints of all the all-ins and boring gameplay. Many of the fervent SC2 supporters are quietly acknowledging SC2 will never take over BW in e-sports. You can thank Dustin "WHATS COOOOOOOOOOOL?????????" Browden for how bad SC2 turned out. I absolutely agree with this right now, but luckily they have 2 expansions to fix it. I really think they're going to take a good hard look at SC2 specifically from an eSports perspective and see what they can do to make it better. Granted, they should have done this from the beginning, but better late than never. | ||
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Lunchtime
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psycow
55 Posts
The biggest example of this is the crowd support organized by the fans themselves. Contrast the "ONE, TWO, THREE, [insert favorite player's name], HWAITIIIIIIIING!!!!", to the top-down corporate controlled Street Fighter voice intros. Notice all the BW restreams organized by the fans that receive no interference from KeSPA or any of the broadcasters. Compare this to the draconian control Blizzard and GOM exert over their users, shutting down streams and discouraging any participation they don't like. I feel the worst thing that ever happened to esports is Activision, Blizzard and SC2. | ||
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Gnome983
Albania39 Posts
On January 07 2011 14:49 rasers wrote: god in hell. broodwar had no god damn background. SCII has background of 10+ years of esports and not only SC:BW so how on earth can u compare them? u see what i did there?! and for that fact SCII is doing terrible right now. SCII is doing terrible? Please explain this | ||
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