GG.net Best Non-Korean 2010

On January 03 2011 15:07 FuryX wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/14115-gosugamers-awards-2010-best-non-korean-of-the-year/

They didn't include Idra because



But the title is " Best Non-Korean of the Year"

No Sen either....aside from Huk, everyone on the list is European.

On January 03 2011 15:12 happyness wrote:
So.... what did Idra do exactly?

Also, why wouldn't Loner or Sen be included? Does GosuGamers know that Asian =/= Korean?

On January 03 2011 15:23 Lennon wrote:
IdrA is no doubt the best foreigner of 2010.

On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award".

On January 03 2011 15:33 Butigroove wrote:
Gosugamers is such a joke.... T.T

On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award".

On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award".

On January 03 2011 15:35 confusedcrib wrote:


Pretend it's the "best American football player" award from espn, then imagine that some dude who is a really good player tells espn to "fuck itself" and "they don't know what they're doing" and "all the other players are bullshit." he's probably not the best football player because he's a giant dick. I wouldn't say someone was the best person if they bm constantly. I have no idea what idra did, and if it was bad enough to be disqualified, but manners definitely have to do with the community giving you an award.

On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award".

Post by enron @ gg.net poll comments:

You don't know the story here, take my word and accept the fact he was excluded do to the sportsmanship in the GosuGamers Holiday Special. It was nothing personal involved, and it was not about "bming each other". I'm just trying to explain things, not make a big deal out of it, but it's hard when people take what I say the wrong way. This is meant to be something good, please look past the fact he isn't among the nominees.

On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award".

On January 03 2011 15:39 Kennigit wrote:
So we (almost) all agree this is garbage. Can i close this now?

On January 03 2011 15:39 Kennigit wrote:
So we (almost) all agree this is garbage. Can i close this now?

On January 03 2011 15:30 Gingerninja wrote:


Based on What? Idra and Jinro both took an MLG, and Jinro went further in GSL than Idra, although Idra qualified for more GSL's. It's subjective. We'll find out who is better within the week when they play in the Code S group.

On January 03 2011 15:47 iSiN wrote:
Jinro did something idra did on a grander scale twice this year (Won a bigger MLG and Got farther in GSL)
Am I saying Jinro is better than IdrA? no just this year, overall, he was.

On January 03 2011 15:50 Kennigit wrote:
OK gosugamers, i'll let you have a few more hits.

On January 03 2011 15:53 IdrA wrote:
the incident they're referring to, i qualified for their christmas tour thing
when they messaged me to get online to play the final 8 i realized that i was actually banned from gosugamers so it would be inappropriate to play in the tournament and forfeited my spot.

On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award".

On January 03 2011 15:53 IdrA wrote:
the incident they're referring to, i qualified for their christmas tour thing
when they messaged me to get online to play the final 8 i realized that i was actually banned from gosugamers so it would be inappropriate to play in the tournament and forfeited my spot.

On January 03 2011 15:47 iSiN wrote:
Jinro did something idra did on a grander scale twice this year (Won a bigger MLG and Got farther in GSL)
Am I saying Jinro is better than IdrA? no just this year, overall, he was.

On January 03 2011 15:49 cyprin wrote:


Jinro had two good months.
IdrA has been consistent since the beginning of beta.

On January 03 2011 15:55 mdb wrote:


No doubt imo that Idra was the best player of the last year and because of this he is a prime example for a lot of people, not only with the way he plays, but with the way he acts too. Its not fun for me that in the half of the games I play on b.net2 I`m told to "fuck off", "die" or "my family to get aids".
A little bit of well thought and smart BM is always good for the game, but cursing the people you play leads to nowhere, thats why I think that Gosugamers descision is not made without any reason.

On January 03 2011 15:53 IdrA wrote:
the incident they're referring to, i qualified for their christmas tour thing
when they messaged me to get online to play the final 8 i realized that i was actually banned from gosugamers so it would be inappropriate to play in the tournament and forfeited my spot.

On January 03 2011 15:58 Duka08 wrote:

If this is the case then what the hell is Enron spewing and why can't he just say that? Or is it because excluding Idra because he forfeited is such a bullshit reason that the poll would be worse than it already is lmao

On January 03 2011 15:53 IdrA wrote:
the incident they're referring to, i qualified for their christmas tour thing
when they messaged me to get online to play the final 8 i realized that i was actually banned from gosugamers so it would be inappropriate to play in the tournament and forfeited my spot.

On January 03 2011 16:00 ZlaSHeR wrote:


Idra won the King of the Beta Hill tournament and consistently won or had the highest average placing in tournaments he DID enter, the one week he enters a GC weekly he rolls through that shit without dropping much. Steamrolled through tournament after tournament, and was always THE guy that people feared most.



Pretty much my assessment as well. Jinro and Idra are both fantastic players, Idra is more feared in tournaments though, and he's been doing it since February 17th.

As a year overall, I'd have voted for Idra. Not that Jinro is far behind because the two are neck and neck.



probably scenario:

Enron: Hmmm, time to start up a poll for player of the year, I wonder who it should be, lets see

Huk? Check
qxc? Check
Jinro? Check
Idra? HUMPH :'( He didn't play in my tournament that he qualified for, so BM, WELL I'LL SHOW HIM, I' GONNA EXCLUDE HIM

*feels all mighty for a moment*

hehe, let me post about this poll on team liquid with a 1 sentence justification on why I don't like Idra, and THEN when the polls over everyone will forget about Idra because he's not worthy of my award!!!

[/scene]

On January 03 2011 16:03 Zelniq wrote:
there now this is properly named

On January 03 2011 16:03 G3nXsiS wrote:
Even with Idra in, I don't think hes the best. Overall Dimaga left the most impression on me. He was an early pioneer for zerg and really revolutionized its play. All Idra did was the same thing over and over while dimaga was playing way ahead of everyone and invented so many strategies and popularized so many tactics like creep tumor spreading. Also his attitude is the total opposite of Idra's.

Huk on the other hand tended to choke on some important occasions like GSL and ESL. TLO didn't win as many tourneys as he should and him going away from korea is a big no no. Jinro, although he did really well in GSL and MLG he wasn't the best overall. Hes the best foreigner right now but not the best in 2010 overall.

The rest were just OK not totally outstanding.. White-Ra's performance dropped because of marriage which is understandable, tarson doesn't even deserve to be on there, and morrow switched to zerg........................... Naama's won a big tourney but we shall see if he is a one hit wonder.

On January 03 2011 16:03 ZlaSHeR wrote:


probably scenario:

Enron: Hmmm, time to start up a poll for player of the year, I wonder who it should be, lets see

Huk? Check
qxc? Check
Jinro? Check
Idra? HUMPH :'( He didn't play in my tournament that he qualified for, so BM, WELL I'LL SHOW HIM, I' GONNA EXCLUDE HIM

*feels all mighty for a moment*

hehe, let me post about this poll on team liquid with a 1 sentence justification on why I don't like Idra, and THEN when the polls over everyone will forget about Idra because he's not worthy of my award!!!

[/scene]

On January 03 2011 15:51 dtz wrote:
i think it's a valid point to consider personality if it is titled E-Sportsman of the year or something.

Kinda like if some guy is having a scandal, he won't be Sportsman of the Year or the equivalent in ESPY.

but Best Non-Korean of the Year definitely refers to a player in terms of skill and thus it is stupid to exclude IdrA.

On January 03 2011 16:05 iSiN wrote:


:S We're basically saying the same thing but coming to different conclusions.
I'm saying Jinro's Results for his 2 month period has sent him into the top player of the year. Let's also remember he was on oGs' A-team. IdrA curb stomping some noobies from NA and EU server doesn't quite stand up to oGs' A-team winning the biggest MLG team and getting farther in GSL

I still think IdrA is a more skilled individual because FA just doesn't have the experience on that level BUTTTTTTT Jinro's Acomplishments this year were more important in my eyes.

On January 03 2011 16:03 Zelniq wrote:
there now this is properly named

Guys IdrA signed up for the Holiday special, qualified for final 8 but then in pure calculated spite against GG.net, he showed up to let us know he was not going to play.

We´re not saying he´s not a good player, or maybe even the greatest, but if you´re here to spoil the hard work that we´re putting in for free for you guys (in fact spending €500 on in addition to hard work) then you do not deserve to be on the list.

It´s that simple.

He´s banned from GG.net, both as a user and as a player. He was not before he pulled that stunt.

So he´s disqualified from all considerations and its just as simple as that, please accept it and either vote on the other guys and write it off as the non-idra awards or dont, its your free choice as human beings

On January 03 2011 16:07 Jibba wrote:

Barry Bonds got 3 ESPYs, along with his 6 MVPs.

It's also pretty ridiculous that SEn, Loner and Brat_OK aren't on that list.

On January 03 2011 15:55 mdb wrote:


No doubt imo that Idra was the best player of the last year and because of this he is a prime example for a lot of people, not only with the way he plays, but with the way he acts too. Its not fun for me that in the half of the games I play on b.net2 I`m told to "fuck off", "die" or "my family to get aids".
A little bit of well thought and smart BM is always good for the game, but cursing the people you play leads to nowhere, thats why I think that Gosugamers descision is not made without any reason.

On January 03 2011 16:09 ZlaSHeR wrote:


I don't think Loner or Brat_OK deserve it though, in terms of accomplishments this year, nor does Sen.

They could be the better players, but accomplishments wise, they nailed most of the players, minus Idra.

On January 03 2011 16:10 CalmDown.Breathe wrote:
By #92 Everlast of GG.net + Show Spoiler +

lol so he's saying IdrA wasn't banned before the tourney but he is now. Don't think IdrA would throw away free money. "pure calculated spite against GG.net"... if thats true, i'm curious as to why he would be so spiteful.

On January 03 2011 15:55 mdb wrote:


No doubt imo that Idra was the best player of the last year and because of this he is a prime example for a lot of people, not only with the way he plays, but with the way he acts too. Its not fun for me that in the half of the games I play on b.net2 I`m told to "fuck off", "die" or "my family to get aids".
A little bit of well thought and smart BM is always good for the game, but cursing the people you play leads to nowhere, thats why I think that Gosugamers descision is not made without any reason.

On January 03 2011 16:10 CalmDown.Breathe wrote:
By #92 Everlast of GG.net + Show Spoiler +

lol so he's saying IdrA wasn't banned before the tourney but he is now. Don't think IdrA would throw away free money. "pure calculated spite against GG.net"... if thats true, i'm curious as to why he would be so spiteful.

On January 03 2011 16:15 JoeSchmoe wrote:


Someone is obviously lying.

Is this Idra on GG?

http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/members/IdrA

Warnings
Personal Harrassment @ 3 years ago
Insulting member. @ 3 years ago
Insulting staff. @ 3 years ago
2nd time insulting staff - 2 weeks lock @ 3 years ago
2 accounts - extended to 1 month lock @ 3 years ago
trolling news. perm lock. @ 2 years ago

Looks like he doesn't have the most pleasant history there.

On January 03 2011 16:10 Jibba wrote:
Just so people remember, the first "pro" to say "get cancer and die" in a public tournament was Naniwa to Moman.

On January 03 2011 16:15 JoeSchmoe wrote:


Someone is obviously lying.

Is this Idra on GG?

http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/members/IdrA

Warnings
Personal Harrassment @ 3 years ago
Insulting member. @ 3 years ago
Insulting staff. @ 3 years ago
2nd time insulting staff - 2 weeks lock @ 3 years ago
2 accounts - extended to 1 month lock @ 3 years ago
trolling news. perm lock. @ 2 years ago

Looks like he doesn't have the most pleasant history there.

On January 03 2011 16:09 ZlaSHeR wrote:


I don't think Loner or Brat_OK deserve it though, in terms of accomplishments this year, nor does Sen.

They could be the better players, but accomplishments wise, they nailed most of the players, minus Idra.

On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award".

On January 03 2011 16:10 Jibba wrote:
Just so people remember, the first "pro" to say "get cancer and die" in a public tournament was Naniwa to Moman.

On January 03 2011 16:10 CalmDown.Breathe wrote:
By #92 Everlast of GG.net + Show Spoiler +

lol so he's saying IdrA wasn't banned before the tourney but he is now. Don't think IdrA would throw away free money. "pure calculated spite against GG.net"... if thats true, i'm curious as to why he would be so spiteful.

On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award".

On January 03 2011 16:51 samuraibael wrote:
The outrage over idras exclusion is absurd. It already excludes the entire korean nation... so OBVIOUSLY its authenticity or prestige is not based on pure skill. They are consistent in whatever arbitrary thing it is they are awarding here.

As an aside, extreme arrogance hinders progress - there are no arrogant bonjwas in anything (even in boxing its just veneer). Humility gives you clarity of perspective and motivation to improve. So maybe his bm is grounds for disqualification anyway.

On January 03 2011 16:51 samuraibael wrote:
The outrage over idras exclusion is absurd. It already excludes the entire korean nation... so OBVIOUSLY its authenticity or prestige is not based on pure skill. They are consistent in whatever arbitrary thing it is they are awarding here.

As an aside, extreme arrogance hinders progress - there are no arrogant bonjwas in anything (even in boxing its just veneer). Humility gives you clarity of perspective and motivation to improve. So maybe his bm is grounds for disqualification anyway.

On January 03 2011 16:18 CalmDown.Breathe wrote:
Kevin Garnett called Charlie Villanueva a cancer patient....

On January 03 2011 17:10 LynxKerr wrote:
Why are gaming communities so god damn soft? Bunch of scallywags waving their tails around sometimes. If IdrA is cussing at you online tell him to suck your D, play when you want him too, and if he doesn't he's out and you forget about it. One dude gets angry during a tournament (read: Naniwa) and everyone is up and arms and the community is just shitting their drawers for weeks about it.

On January 03 2011 15:07 FuryX wrote:


No Sen either....aside from Huk, everyone on the list is European.

On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award".

On January 03 2011 17:17 Geo.Rion wrote:


Idk what list you look at, what you linked has Fenix, Qxc, Huk as non-europeans. Chineese were considered non-foreigners in BW, probably that's the reason, or that Sen didnt win anything, he did very well and i like him, but objectively i might not include him in a top 10 of the years anyways.



For those defending Idra, i totally can understand throwing him off from the list. Bad behaviour can get you banned/excluded from tournaments and leauges, why couldnt it get you excluded from a reviewing article? I'm especially surprised TL admins posting in Idra's defence, you banned players like Dimaga for a small (and somewhat explainable) cheat in a BW event for a long time from every TL event. It's the same logic.
When Naniwa gets his ass banned from ESL and whatnot for bad behaviour, most of TL is like, yeah, totally deserved it, Idra getting excluded from a symbolic power ranking, or what should i call it, causes outrage.

I love Idra, i think he's the best foreigner skil-wise, i wanted to state that

On January 03 2011 17:17 Geo.Rion wrote:


Idk what list you look at, what you linked has Fenix, Qxc, Huk as non-europeans. Chineese were considered non-foreigners in BW, probably that's the reason, or that Sen didnt win anything, he did very well and i like him, but objectively i might not include him in a top 10 of the years anyways.



For those defending Idra, i totally can understand throwing him off from the list. Bad behaviour can get you banned/excluded from tournaments and leauges, why couldnt it get you excluded from a reviewing article? I'm especially surprised TL admins posting in Idra's defence, you banned players like Dimaga for a small (and somewhat explainable) cheat in a BW event for a long time from every TL event. It's the same logic.
When Naniwa gets his ass banned from ESL and whatnot for bad behaviour, most of TL is like, yeah, totally deserved it, Idra getting excluded from a symbolic power ranking, or what should i call it, causes outrage.

I love Idra, i think he's the best foreigner skil-wise, i wanted to state that

On January 03 2011 17:21 sc2lime wrote:

You are also an idiot and your logic is stupid. Savior did that whole match-fixing scandal but you can't deny that at one point, he was a bonjwa. Just because Idra may seem bad-mannered, you can't deny his skill that some people believe qualifies him to this "award".

On January 03 2011 17:30 Regime wrote:
WOW all the idra flamers now flaming ggnet. guys u gotta read why ggnet didnt include him plus its their site they can do wat they want. i voted for TLO and would have even if idra was there. idra did waste there ggnet's time got nothing against idra hes very entertaining to watch specially wen he flames "your terran shut up" :D but i think TLnet should close this GGnet would close ne thread bming TLnet

WE ALL LOVE SC2

On January 03 2011 17:25 Geo.Rion wrote:

yes, your argumenst own. "You are an idiot, your arguments are stupid, cool."-standard posting gotta say lately.
I'm not saying cheating and BM is the same. I'm saying if organizers witheld the right to exclude players for bad behaviour be that ignorance towards rule, BM, cheating, arrogance, whatever, they are justified to do so. If you accept Dimaga not participating in TSL3 sc2, for breaking the rules in a BW event a year ago, because it's the rule of the organizers, and you dont accept Idra getting excluded for being disrespectful and bm in a show-tournament because that's how the organizers ruled, your logic is flown imo.

On January 03 2011 17:35 Alpina wrote:


We are talking about being excluded from "Best Player of the year" award - this has nothing to do with being excluded from some kind of tourney. You can't make "best player" award based on manners.

On January 03 2011 17:35 Alpina wrote:


We are talking about being excluded from "Best Player of the year" award - this has nothing to do with being excluded from some kind of tourney. You can't make "best player" award based on manners.

On January 03 2011 17:42 Geo.Rion wrote:

you can because it's not an absolute and universal ranking, you can percieve "best" in different ways, and "foreigner" too, exluding/including Chineese. It's organized by 1 site, they PICK 10 players based on different things, which is mostly performance, not 100%. If you dont like it that's fine, but saying they shouldn't do that, wtf, make your own site and have a poll there with Idra on it.

On January 03 2011 17:42 Geo.Rion wrote:
you can because it's not an absolute and universal ranking, you can percieve "best" in different ways, and "foreigner" too, exluding/including Chineese. It's organized by 1 site, they PICK 10 players based on different things, which is mostly performance, not 100%. If you dont like it that's fine, but saying they shouldn't do that, wtf, make your own site and have a poll there with Idra on it.

On January 03 2011 17:48 sc2lime wrote:

It must be because English is most likely not your first language but "Best Non-Korean" means Best Non-Korean. And yes you are right, it is their site. It is their right to make whatever joke of a poll they so please.

On January 03 2011 18:05 Regime wrote:
even if u could votte for idra do u really think he'd beat jinro in the poll? and idra was NOT banned from ggnet mayb for sc1 but they clearly state he was banned after wasting their time in the tourny

On January 03 2011 17:59 arew wrote:
MorroW, even though I wanted to vote for HuK.
If MorroW hadn't switched to zerg, he could have done even more...