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There is no really good protoss player.
We don't have a foxer, we don't have a fruitdealer, we don't have a ITR etc..
Also Inca is owning every toss in PvP but he seems to suck at every matchup, but manages to get like only PvPs in GSL lol.
Oh and the reason not to HT rush is because they kinda suck against zerg, and vs terran u need detection in case of banshees, and if ur gonna get a robo, might as well get collosi or immortals atleast, delaying HTs significantly.
I think we need a nada / idra type protoss player, who understands the power of protoss end game macro.
edit: one problem is that protoss is the most micro intensive race, but also the most late game dependant race, so it requires alot from a gamer.
but hey, looks like as there's no imba awesome toss right now, better chances for us right?
just too bad we don't have anyone to mimic ^^
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On November 08 2010 00:21 koOma wrote:
NEXGenius actually said he thought P was the strongest race in a recent interview.. Food for thought.
95% sure that it was a translation error, and the other 5% was Genius's hopes and dreams for GSLro4 swept away by dancing marauders in a humiliating anticlimactic fashion.
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On November 08 2010 00:30 Euronyme wrote:
There is no really good protoss player.
We don't have a foxer, we don't have a fruitdealer, we don't have a ITR etc..
Also Inca is owning every toss in PvP but he seems to suck at every matchup, but manages to get like only PvPs in GSL lol.
There are good protoss players in the GSL contrary to what people believes.
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But not enough and not good enough.
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On November 08 2010 00:30 Euronyme wrote:
There is no really good protoss player.
We don't have a foxer, we don't have a fruitdealer, we don't have a ITR etc..
True. There are no Protoss superstars. The other races HAVE stars. These are mostly players from Brood War who switched - and, since they're pros, making a living from playing, they NEED to win, so they choose the side they think has the best chance of winning. I.e.: not Protoss.
It's a vicious circle: Protoss having no superstars because it is a weaker race, and it being a weaker race without superstars.
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Protoss doesn't appeal as much to serious players because it feels more random. Pick a build and have an easy downhill game against anyone or the struggle of your life. It's just not consistent.
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On November 07 2010 01:16 morsX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 14:46 abrasion wrote:
Nothing at all? Not even a smackdown on how wrong I am?
Just watch Foxer play in the GSL. This proves.......
that FoxeR is a fucking god.
Every race has perks. I disagree with people talking negatively about the perks of other races. Talk about your own race's perks (or lack of). If you like Terran so much, switch to Terran.
The time of consensus on entire race level inbalance issues is over.
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What i think alot of BW pros don't like is the Warp in Mechanic. You have to look away from the battle in order to macro. In BW every second counted. You looked away and bam you lost a Dragoon to a Spider-Mine.
Thats the main Reason i play Terran and would play Zerg over Protoss any day. Just like my hotkey macro to much.
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lower the cost of the tank, to 100 gas from 125 , and make some adjustments to the marauder, also lower the gas for the ghost to 125 or 100, so we can negate these immortal...
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lower the cost of the tank, to 100 gas from 125 , and make some adjustments to the marauder, also lower the gas for the ghost to 125 or 100, so we can negate these immortal...
you sound like marines don't rip through immortals.
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On November 08 2010 05:06 Garmer wrote:
lower the cost of the tank, to 100 gas from 125 , and make some adjustments to the marauder, also lower the gas for the ghost to 125 or 100, so we can negate these immortal...
Hahaha, nice. 
Another aside: MLG was great, but Protoss lost just about every major TvP I saw.
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On November 08 2010 05:05 Raiden X wrote:What i think alot of BW pros don't like is the Warp in Mechanic. You have to look away from the battle in order to macro. In BW every second counted. You looked away and bam you lost a Dragoon to a Spider-Mine. Thats the main Reason i play Terran and would play Zerg over Protoss any day. Just like my hotkey macro to much.
lol what?
in bw you had to look back to your base to macro...
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my sentence was related to the fact of going pure mech, like hellion /tank, and if you make rine, you're not going pure mech...
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On November 07 2010 22:52 lowercase wrote:Phoenixes? Get clobbered in equal numbers by either vikings or mutas.
Can you explain how to beat an equal amount of phoenixes with my mutas, considering they are faster, have longer range, and can shoot while moving? Honest question, I have trouble with them as zerg.
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On November 08 2010 06:00 Penecks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 22:52 lowercase wrote:Phoenixes? Get clobbered in equal numbers by either vikings or mutas.
Can you explain how to beat an equal amount of phoenixes with my mutas, considering they are faster, have longer range, and can shoot while moving? Honest question, I have trouble with them as zerg.
Dont let them kite you, just force him to attack you. If he has an equal amount of pheonixes his ground army will FALL OVER to yours
just harass him, mutas can incinerate a mineral line whereas pheonixes take half an hour
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On November 08 2010 06:00 Penecks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 22:52 lowercase wrote:Phoenixes? Get clobbered in equal numbers by either vikings or mutas.
Can you explain how to beat an equal amount of phoenixes with my mutas, considering they are faster, have longer range, and can shoot while moving? Honest question, I have trouble with them as zerg.
Play in gold.
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Don't attack the phoenixes, attack the buildings or ground units. When the phoenix stops to attack, you can snipe a few then when he flies away, you fly away. It doesn't really matter if he is moving tangential to their attack direction, if he is not moving away from you, you can snipe some phoenixes before they can react.
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On November 08 2010 06:00 Penecks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 22:52 lowercase wrote:Phoenixes? Get clobbered in equal numbers by either vikings or mutas.
Can you explain how to beat an equal amount of phoenixes with my mutas, considering they are faster, have longer range, and can shoot while moving? Honest question, I have trouble with them as zerg.
1 infestor, or fight at his mineral line.
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On November 06 2010 18:53 john0507 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 17:10 sqrt wrote:On November 06 2010 16:52 john0507 wrote:
I do think there is a problem with Protoss however as i'm having really A LOT of problems with PvZ. Obviously you can't play a macro game , and there aren't many early timing options for PvZ. I find myself doing a 2-base Colossus timing almost every single game against Z. It could be my own problem cos I can't find another way that's effective against Z. GSL doesn't really help as there has been many PvZ wins at all (only 2 i think , both in RO64). I used to play P, may I suggest a 2 gate + Stargate => Zealots(however many you can make) + 2VR push, if all goes well you will reach his base before the spire is up, if he goes roaches you will have your VR ready before the roaches arrive (or will be completed during the battle if distances are really short). While you are attacking consider making Stalkers + Phoenixes/VR. This way if you are pushed back you can defend and/or counter-attack without losing time or leaving yourself open.( this build is effective even after the VR nerf) I tried this build before actually , my problem with it is IF the zerg goes roaches. Without the robo it's pretty much blind. And yes more often than not the VR comes out before the Roaches arrive, but that doesnt really stop an entire ground army trade , occasionally even getting some probes, then i'm stuck on 1 base vs 2 base. It works pretty well against a muta+ling build , but it's kinda coin-flippy.
Sorry for the late response.
I actually recommend the build vs. roaches; in fact this is where it is most successful. I pretty much recommend kiting with your Zealots until the roaches are dead, two VR are more than enough to kill the bugs in time(kill his army, defense structures, queens first, don't rush it with the VR). Also, keep in mind that this isn't an all in. While you are doing this you should also prepare stalkers for the next attack and if possible expand.
Anyway though, there isn't a build for everyone, if it doesn't work - don't do it.
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On November 08 2010 00:30 Euronyme wrote:
There is no really good protoss player.
We don't have a foxer, we don't have a fruitdealer, we don't have a ITR etc..
Also Inca is owning every toss in PvP but he seems to suck at every matchup, but manages to get like only PvPs in GSL lol.
Oh and the reason not to HT rush is because they kinda suck against zerg, and vs terran u need detection in case of banshees, and if ur gonna get a robo, might as well get collosi or immortals atleast, delaying HTs significantly.
I think we need a nada / idra type protoss player, who understands the power of protoss end game macro.
edit: one problem is that protoss is the most micro intensive race, but also the most late game dependant race, so it requires alot from a gamer.
but hey, looks like as there's no imba awesome toss right now, better chances for us right?
just too bad we don't have anyone to mimic ^^
Have you ever seen kiwikaki play? He is a BOSS with a race that is clearly UP. And you can see he really shines on PvZ cause that matchup is really balanced.
The problem with protoss is the detection vs T with the forced robo BS.
Never say we dont have good protoss or l2p cause that is ridiculous.
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