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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 23 2010 21:41 GMT
#41
On September 24 2010 06:35 Mrbustanut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 06:05 G.s)NarutO wrote:
I'm speaking of Mid or Lategame, where Protoss has 3/4 bases. I'm not exactly sure how good US Protoss are, but the ones I know are not good at all. HuK + KiWiKaKi are good/decent but EU Protoss are a LOT better in every aspect would be my call.


Wow, enough Euro elitism?

Totally ridiculous statement as well.


How so. Name good Protoss players from US.
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Blyadischa
Profile Joined April 2010
419 Posts
September 23 2010 21:42 GMT
#42
Look at Morrow's replays. He does this 3 rax pressure expand build that can easily rape the Protoss if you get a good timing. I think the series was vs Huk, but he had a 40 food advantage before storm was finally done. In the other game he didn't push early enough, but still had a giant food advantage over the Protoss. If you somehow don't win the first push before storm, then start utilizing drops and spreading out the army and making the Protoss possibly waste storms on small amount of units or simply hold the storms to not storm small amounts of units and simply cripple him until you have a giant macro advantage
whoopadeedoo
Profile Joined June 2010
United States427 Posts
September 23 2010 21:42 GMT
#43
You really do come off as a troll
PatouPower
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1119 Posts
September 23 2010 21:45 GMT
#44
EMP? Seriously, emp completely wrecks protoss, not only HTs, but all their units... It's simply better than psi storm; it has more range, it can't be avoided, it does more damage most of the time and it consumes all the enemy energy. What do you need more?
Celadan
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway471 Posts
September 23 2010 21:48 GMT
#45
I agree with Solarii, Emp is like checking where the HT's stands, while feedbacks are like a mini game of find Waldo lol. And HT's are pretty much useless if they spent their storm.
Marauders can take a couple of storms before they go down so all in all Terrans are not disadvantaged
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MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 21:57:10
September 23 2010 21:48 GMT
#46
NarutO, long before Kerrigan was ever born there was another epic battle between Protoss and Terran. Except they weren't called by those names back then. We'll call the Terran army "Europe" and the Protoss Army "United States" for whatever reasons. The United States had this tool called "guns" which had a range of 100, while the Europeans used something called a "knife" which had a range of 1. However, the gun was more difficult to use because it required training and and aiming while a knife required a simple thrust. Plus, it's easier to miss with a gun than a knife. So obviously, the knife is a superior weapon to the gun. I used to be in the Army and I hung out with Major Pain, GI Joe, and Judge Dredd who all have high level experience with guns and knives so I know what I'm talking about. Trust me, knives > guns. Anyway, the year was 1945 and somehow the United States won with their inferior guns simply cause the United States had better players.

Anyway, comparing United States to Europe is like comparing which minor league team is better. PvT seems pretty even in Korea. But then again, I guess Korea has some shitty Protoss players compared to European players as well. Tester? Who the hell is that. NEXGenius? More like NEXProxyRax.
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
September 23 2010 21:50 GMT
#47
On September 24 2010 06:41 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 06:35 Mrbustanut wrote:
On September 24 2010 06:05 G.s)NarutO wrote:
I'm speaking of Mid or Lategame, where Protoss has 3/4 bases. I'm not exactly sure how good US Protoss are, but the ones I know are not good at all. HuK + KiWiKaKi are good/decent but EU Protoss are a LOT better in every aspect would be my call.


Wow, enough Euro elitism?

Totally ridiculous statement as well.


How so. Name good Protoss players from US.

If you don't think Huk is an amazing protos player I don't think it's possible to convince you. You make it sound like there are 20-30 protos players in Europe that Huk can't touch.
afirlortwo
Profile Joined April 2010
United States161 Posts
September 23 2010 21:53 GMT
#48
I guess it would just be redundant for me to suggest ghosts + EMP?
Just a momentary diversion on the road to the grave
BasementCat
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada155 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 21:58:06
September 23 2010 21:56 GMT
#49
On September 24 2010 06:50 Fraidnot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 06:41 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On September 24 2010 06:35 Mrbustanut wrote:
On September 24 2010 06:05 G.s)NarutO wrote:
I'm speaking of Mid or Lategame, where Protoss has 3/4 bases. I'm not exactly sure how good US Protoss are, but the ones I know are not good at all. HuK + KiWiKaKi are good/decent but EU Protoss are a LOT better in every aspect would be my call.


Wow, enough Euro elitism?

Totally ridiculous statement as well.


How so. Name good Protoss players from US.

If you don't think Huk is an amazing protos player I don't think it's possible to convince you. You make it sound like there are 20-30 protos players in Europe that Huk can't touch.


Technically HuK is Canadian, but he is part of the NA server. It all depends on whether naruto was talking about US the country or US the server...

Regardless, I believe that HuK is one of the best protoss in the world. Him and SeleCT constantly jump between first and second place in the world. Plus, HuK has the second highest win percentage in the world (behind dimuslim).

Relevant to thread: Someone should ask top 10 terrans what they do in this situation.
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-StrifeX-
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States529 Posts
September 23 2010 21:58 GMT
#50
I don't see naurto placing too high in tournaments. I would say that HuK, Morrow, Idra, Dimaga, Demuslism, and other gamers that you guys watch replays of, is probably better to learn from or find out things from.
olias
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom61 Posts
September 23 2010 21:59 GMT
#51
Woa now MayorITC,

You are sadly sadly mistaken if you think the second world war was the US vs europe. That is tragic if it is the level of education in America. EU tech was superior for most of the war as well...
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Mrbustanut
Profile Joined May 2010
121 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 22:04:30
September 23 2010 22:04 GMT
#52
On September 24 2010 06:59 olias wrote:
Woa now MayorITC,

You are sadly sadly mistaken if you think the second world war was the US vs europe. That is tragic if it is the level of education in America. EU tech was superior for most of the war as well...


EU went with a one gas build in WWII though so they were not able to tech as hard as America. Additionally with the map imba of being protected by the ocean America was able to fast expand and win the macro war by being able to produce more units.
whoopadeedoo
Profile Joined June 2010
United States427 Posts
September 23 2010 22:07 GMT
#53
On September 24 2010 06:59 olias wrote:
Woa now MayorITC,

You are sadly sadly mistaken if you think the second world war was the US vs europe. That is tragic if it is the level of education in America. EU tech was superior for most of the war as well...


MayorITC is Korean and a Korean elitest.
thelok
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
September 23 2010 22:07 GMT
#54
On September 24 2010 07:04 Mrbustanut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 06:59 olias wrote:
Woa now MayorITC,

You are sadly sadly mistaken if you think the second world war was the US vs europe. That is tragic if it is the level of education in America. EU tech was superior for most of the war as well...


EU went with a one gas build in WWII though so they were not able to tech as hard as America. Additionally with the map imba of being protected by the ocean America was able to fast expand and win the macro war by being able to produce more units.


LOL @ map imba

Anyways, you said it yourself, ghosts counter HT. But HT also counter ghosts. It comes down to who can micro and positioning.
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Troy47
Profile Joined August 2010
United States60 Posts
September 23 2010 22:12 GMT
#55
Thanks for the response guys. My question is obviously by nature a bit general, because once you're playing decent diamond players so many things depend on the situation, it makes it hard for me to be exacting in my questioning.

As you guys have indicated, the issue is high templar and feedback/storm. I find most players at my level don't really use feedback, focusing more on spamming 4-6 storms on my main when there's that inevitable 100-125 supply main battle clash around 15-20 minutes into most TvP games.

I get that ghosts emp should be a counter, I think I will try out hte flanking approach mentioned above. My main issue is if you don't flank, your ghosts are going to get hit by that storm too. So while ya the storms dont kill anything by itself, it prevents my army from being able to win. Most times it'll be a narrow draw, or he'll emerge with his HT and several stalkers or otherwise still intact. When you then play that battle out 1 or 2 more times as he pushes towards me, he'll get the critical edge and be into my base.

I'm not saying its OP or anything, this is more just a thread about how to counter it, because it's really the only Protoss strategy that I don't think I understand the best counter for. Hence the [h] in the title

Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
September 23 2010 22:16 GMT
#56
On September 24 2010 06:56 yourDaddy wrote:
Technically HuK is Canadian, but he is part of the NA server. It all depends on whether naruto was talking about US the country or US the server...

Yeah, but most us Americans tend to think of Canada in the same way that we think about Nebraska or Vermont. For my part I see no difference between an American and a Canadian .
PaPoolee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Arab Emirates660 Posts
September 23 2010 22:16 GMT
#57
lol mate, i've never met a terran who had a problem casting emp on my HT's... you know how much accuracy and lucky i need to feedback your ghost? 1 emp can drain about 6 HT's if not more, thread should be closed tbh mate.
darkwing.Huzow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States35 Posts
September 23 2010 22:17 GMT
#58
On September 24 2010 07:04 Mrbustanut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 06:59 olias wrote:
Woa now MayorITC,

You are sadly sadly mistaken if you think the second world war was the US vs europe. That is tragic if it is the level of education in America. EU tech was superior for most of the war as well...


EU went with a one gas build in WWII though so they were not able to tech as hard as America. Additionally with the map imba of being protected by the ocean America was able to fast expand and win the macro war by being able to produce more units.


LOL

I just registered on TL after stalking it for a while just so I could reply to this post. Good stuff...
Obviously you are not a golfer.
Slago
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada726 Posts
September 23 2010 22:19 GMT
#59
Use emps man, it is infanately harder to hit a Ghost with feedback than using an AOE attack, aswell stroms are a much higher tech than bio obviously it is built to counter it, you're going to just have to transtition to a higher tech because bio rapes gateway units but it can't rape everything else too
I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of... ah forget it
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
September 23 2010 22:21 GMT
#60
On September 24 2010 06:24 whoopadeedoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 06:22 G.s)NarutO wrote:
I think Low Level , Mid and High Level PvT are all completely different and with different difficulties / problems. So there's no point in discussing on different levels. I don't know your level I'm just saying that on my level, I'm running into quiet some problems and I'm not able to completely walk over any Protoss with simple scouting ;-)


Ok, but it's not because HT > Ghosts. Let's be intellectually honest: it's the other way around (on just about every aspect).

Except ghosts can't be warped in anywhere... and cost 100 minerals more. Sure, your tech cost most, but 2-3 ghosts and we've matched and passed in minerals.

Maurader drops are ridiculously strong. Try it it works. Like only 1-2 medivacs.

Only maurarder drops I ever use is 8 with 2 medivacs, I feel 4 is just a shock and harass. 8 definitly take out probes and definitly take out nexus. Cost a lot, but works well.

Why do NO protoss players ever do a 2 templer 2 zealot drop on scvs anymore? It died in BW yet the one guy who did it do me wrecked me BIG time because he out expoed, upgraded, and produced me by taking out my econ every few minutes. He'd have a warp prism in my base to warm 4-8 zeals, storm drop my expo, and well thats all she wrote.

I'm not saying ones better or not, just saying we pay a LOT for a ghost.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
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