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On September 17 2010 05:30 awesomoecalypse wrote:Soccer has insane amounts of trash talk, whether between players, managers, and especially the fans. I mean, Americans might talk a lot of smack, but we don't go around starting fights like Soccer Hooligans do in other countries. Take a look at Real Madrid-Barcelona, or any derby in the UK, they all talk loads of smack. And if you don't think great soccer players, from older ones like Maradona, to modern ones like Cristiano Ronaldo or Wayne Rooney, are cocky, I don't know what to say.
yea
Fergie vs Wenger = holy shit trash talk haha
Roy Keane anyone?
I love it. If someone wants to talk shit to me, I don't whine - I rip them back. It's how it should be.
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BM should be instant ban until the player learn and endorse the advantages of civilized communication and behavior and stop being a monkey who just hits the keyboard and random swears come out
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So you are saying I wouldn't tell them they suck at the game IRL? I guess you don't know me then.
No i dont know you,that is the point is that alot of people say **** online that they wouldnt dare say to someones face, that is cowardice.
Hiding behind your monitor is not "cool" and cant be compared to Kobe Bryant talking **** to Shaq right on the court
I doubt 90% of the people in this topic dare say anything to someones face.
And usually its guys who never got a chance to be "tough" irl that go online and run their mouths.
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There are just so many different kinds of BM it's silly to say they're all good or all bad. Some people will say leaving without a gg is BM, but honestly, if the loser made worse mistakes than usual, it wasn't a good game at all and they should be able to surrender without getting trashed by casters. It's a bit different than slapping hands after a baseball game, cause you don't need to say anything there, you're just showing a small amount of respect for your opponent. Then you have the people that are angry and don't surrender when they have no more chance left... while being streamed (say their base is overrun so the winner starts playing around with them). Trash talk can be entertaining depending on the caster, like say IdrA vs drewbie on NarutoSC had me crying with laughter. It's weird that some streamers will choose to rant about the any BM after a battle instead of focusing on any tech switches or rebuilding.
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I think there's a fine line between BM and straying away from the cookie-cutter Korean progamer model. I know it's a huge part of Korean culture, but if Flash says one more thing about lacking skill and focus after basically being undefeatable in 2 months, I'll rage. If Flash were to say, "it seems like for now I am the dominant force in BW" I'd be happy...that's not BM, but it's actually the truth and not some artificially humble blanket statement.
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I play HoN, I've seen so much rage... SC2 BM is nothing in comparison
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On September 17 2010 03:18 Stegosaur wrote:
The difference is that a big American Football player talking trash is a badass, while an SC2 player is sitting behind a computer screen while doing it, playing a videogame, making it awkward instead of badass.
This is a huge point.
That being said I also agree with the folks who aren't a fan of trash talking anyways. To me trash talking is for joking around with friends while you're having fun. Trash talking in the public light against people you barely know? There are two ways I take this.
1: The guy is immature due to corruption by fame and money at a young age.
2: More likely - The guy wants press time resulting in more marketability and money.
I'm a fan of manners and competition, which is one reason I really enjoy watching SC matches. My favorite sports stars are always the guys with a clean shave and respectable mannerisms.
In regard to HoN's BM raging -- I couldn't play the game after some of my friends quit. I can't stand the pick up group mentality.
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sometmes bm become too serious and lead to murder
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Soccer has insane amounts of trash talk, whether between players, managers, and especially the fans. I mean, Americans might talk a lot of smack, but we don't go around starting fights like Soccer Hooligans do in other countries. Take a look at Real Madrid-Barcelona, or any derby in the UK, they all talk loads of smack.
And if you don't think great soccer players, from older ones like Maradona, to modern ones like Cristiano Ronaldo or Wayne Rooney, are cocky, I don't know what to say.
Shows how little you know about our sport, the reason football players dont talk much trash IS BECUASE OF THE HOOLIGANS, there is an actual danger is a player taunts the crowd too much where it can escalate, its for their own safety.
They are cocky and when they show it, like when Rooney lost the plot at WC and called the fans for booing them for ****, he was forced to apologise days later becuase the entire country of England wanted him nailed to the cross for saying that.
You cant behave like that in football, it just dosent work. Which is why every interview is about "yea they are a good team but if we focus we can beat them", anyone who has watched football knows what i am talking about.
Its just difficult for some americans to comprehend that some people do prefer good manners and sportsmanship.
UFC fighters talk trash to build up a fight, sell tickets, then they usually hug afterwards to show respect after the competition.
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On September 17 2010 03:12 awesomoecalypse wrote:
I don't get the obsession with "BM". It seems like every time a progamer does anything but keep their head down, say the "right" things at all times, and never ever talks trash or says anything cocky in any way, its "BM" and people get pissed off.
E-sports still has a negative stigma so professionals are expected to act with professionalism to show everyone the maturity and sportsmanship involved in e-sports.
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depends on what kind of BM it is. anything spoken/typed, is fine since its just an expression. things like hovering around CCs and etc for sake of wasting time is just retarded.
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Starcraft has it's etiquette and standards, like all sports. Examples of this are "GL HF" and "GG".
Trash talk is fine and I feel like competitive Starcraft needs more of it, it adds fire to competition. This is partially what makes idrA so entertaining.
Calling people "fucking noobs" and "fags" and such is BM, and is unacceptable on a professional level.
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
One of the reasons progaming is STILL frowned upon, at least around where I live and by people I interact with, both online and offline, is because of the stigma of 14 year old Halo-nerds shouting faggot at each other through their headsets.
I *really* think saying 'it spices up the game' or 'I'll rip them one back instead' isn't the way to go here.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
Anyone can trash talk, it takes effort to be a gentleman.
I think that good and mannered player is so much tougher and cooler than some lame ass trash talking cry baby. Example in e-sports. Sepha,probably the best CoH player ever - best mannered player i have ever seen. Never said a word that even looked like trash talk - EVERYBODY respected and feared him as long as he played. Darwin, another high skilled player, ALWAYS trash talked and always been a laughing stock no matter he indeed is a great player.
You are saying like it's good to be opposite of all the good things in sports. Sports are about being great in defeat and great in the victory. Modern sports lost that because of the MONEY, the only God we all believe in now days...
My opinion, probably cos i ain't from America.
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So the question is "why are the mannerisms and behaviours deemed acceptable whilst doing one thing different from another?"
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that's the problem, it is not normal to accept such behaviour, especially from the athletes who represent us as a community in competitions; if, as you say, americans like that and accept it, that's your problem as a society; reason for this is people tend to strive towards harmony and mutual respect instead of basing their achievments on fear and disrespect
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Ever seen chess players talking thrash to each other? Scientists that argue about a solution? Well, playing strategy games is closer to these activities. I feel sorry for the described culture.
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On September 17 2010 05:43 figq wrote:
Ever seen chess players talking thrash to each other? Scientists that argue about a solution? Well, playing strategy games is closer to these activities. I feel sorry for the described culture.
Bobby Fischer? And yes, scientists/professors arguing about solutions is pretty much the norm...
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I reserve my right to dislike anyone I choose. That includes BM'rd players. Just be nice and learn to play your class.
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On September 17 2010 05:43 figq wrote:
Ever seen ... Scientists that argue about a solution?
Well I don't hang around scientists but if I did I would expect them to do this, yes.
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