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On September 17 2010 03:18 Stegosaur wrote:
The difference is that a big American Football player talking trash is a badass, while an SC2 player is sitting behind a computer screen while doing it, playing a videogame, making it awkward instead of badass.
So you are saying that because its not a physical game they can't talk smack? Or that the first nerd talking smack needs to bigger than the other nerd to talk smack?
Its ok for
Incontrol to talk smack to Idra
Its not ok for
Idra to talk smack to Incontrol
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BM would be much more accepted if it wasn't always coming from the person losing. Unfortunately, the only BM you hear in SC2 is whining from losers.
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who idolizes people for talking trash? that's dumb
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Bad mannerism is different from trash talk. Talking trash is usually done to instigate hype or get the competitive spirit of your rival and opponents, it can be a psychological thing to get yourself confident.
Bad Mannerism is just bad mannerism, it's kicking an opponent who is already down and spitting in his face.
Being polite in competition is a bit hypocritical in my opinion, either way your opponent isn't going to feel good after losing.
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Everyone loves watching BM. Whenever IdrA or Naniwa snap, we love it.
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You can't encourage BM without expecting incidence of hackers to skyrocket.
You can only tell a person to fuck himself so many times before he Googles a hack, comes back, and BM's the rest of the community.
Cycle repeat.
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cause being mannered is a good skill toi have
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Personally I love it when I beat people and they BM me. It just means that I was so much better than them it caused them to lose their shit.
People need to quit comparing Starcraft to regular sports. In some sports there is a culture of trash talking that makes it acceptable because the players don't take it seriously (usually) and after the games they respect each other. But Starcraft doesn't have that kind of culture.
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So you are saying that because its not a physical game they can't talk smack? Or that the first nerd talking smack needs to bigger than the other nerd to talk smack?
You shouldnt say anything ONLINE that you cant say to the same person IRL
Otherwise you are just a coward, regardless of big or small you are
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Being polite in competition is a bit hypocritical in my opinion, either way your opponent isn't going to feel good after losing.
Not only that, more often than not, its people acting fake. In their head, they think they're the best and expect to kick their opponent's ass. But because they know its not "right" to say that, they keep their head down and say something completely bland and "nice" like, "he's a great player and i will need to work very hard to beat him."
I mean, if thats really how they feel, fine. but most of the time, i don't get the sense that thats true. I get the feeling that what they'd really like to say is something like, "yeah, he's pretty good...but I'm better."
And f thats what they're thinking, they should just be honest and say so, instead of trying to act as bland as possible to avoid offending anyone.
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On September 17 2010 03:18 Stegosaur wrote:
The difference is that a big American Football player talking trash is a badass, while an SC2 player is sitting behind a computer screen while doing it, playing a videogame, making it awkward instead of badass.
hahaha this. It is awkward for one competitor to talk trash to another competitor in the absence of pain. It would be very awkward for two Olympic divers to be talking trash to each other. It is not awkward for two boxers to talk trash because their job is to beat the shit out of the other guy's face.
In another example, it is awkward for two chess players to talk trash to each other. Aggression is not a natural part of the game. It is not awkward for two swimmers to talk trash to each other because they will be enduring lots of pain side by side in the pool, and whoever is able to endure more pain will probably win.
If you want to talk trash, there must be some kind of inherent aggression/pain experience in the sport. No one wants to hear ice skaters rag on each others mothers. We have to realize that Starcraft is something between a performance/intellectual/skill sport:
It is something of a performance. We go over our builds and compose strategies to be used like building blocks, much as a dancer might create a choreographed dance from different dance forms.
It is something of an intellectual sport because much like chess, we must use our intelligence and intuition to think one step ahead of our opponent.
And finally, it is something of a skill sport, because I cannot move my hands as fast as Jaedong, nor can I manipulate the controls of this very specific system as well as he can.
What is is NOT, though, is a physical sport. There is no pain in starcraft. Perhaps Koreans get tired after 10 hours of practicing. That is not pain. That is being tired. This is why they work out everyday in addition to their play.
BUT I would like to commend you on this excellent piece of prose:
before it even had gone through the net he'd turned around, stuck a finger in the air for "Number 1", and started swaggering away like a badass. Did people complaing about "BM". No. They said, "Larry Bird is the fucking man.
Had me laughing. Larry Bird IS the fucking man.
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because people want to play their birthday presents purchased with mummy's credit card while they intentionally use broken English and call people from their own country "foreigners"
that's why.
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On September 17 2010 05:11 Raevin wrote:
Real football, its also the most beloved and widespread sport in the world
Are you joking lol
You start watching soccer this past world cup or something???
Shit talking is great. SC players are the most sensitive mother fuckers.
I do agree with the op that shit talking in defeat is just lame (honestly, my favorite guys dish it out but are humble when they lose). But even then, it's all about characters. You love trash talkers, or you love to hate them. But the game is just so bland without the emotional investment.
I prefer the more brash players and athletes and coaches, but you have to appreciate the other side as well
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I honestly believe that not being BM is showing people you know what StarCraft is all about. I don't care if I lose a game humiliatingly and terribly, as long as when I type gg, the opponent types gg back. It shows mutual respect for all. I enjoy SC more with NO BM.
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You start watching soccer this past world cup or something???
No i started watching football in 1989. And its called football not SOKKAR
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MorroW is bad mannered because he is not affraid to speak is mind and say that he is a good player when the fact is he is currently the best European player. MorroW is also BM for playing to win.
iNcontroL is BM for making jokes.
See what I'm getting at?
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Who cares what Korea does that isn't directly related to E-sports skill. All this gg gl hf and making faces makes me sick. This is a game, its not owed to you to have mandatory greetings and exits in matches. If I'm on ladder I'm usually there to play and win not chit-chat. If I do want to talk I'll talk to them postgame or at the end of the game.
I actually enjoy BM quite a bit too. Its fun and funny. I tell people they are BM to troll them now because I find it pretty funny actually.
WHen someone says
GL HF
say
BL HFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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On September 17 2010 05:23 Raevin wrote:Show nested quote +So you are saying that because its not a physical game they can't talk smack? Or that the first nerd talking smack needs to bigger than the other nerd to talk smack? You shouldnt say anything ONLINE that you cant say to the same person IRL Otherwise you are just a coward, regardless of big or small you are
So you are saying I wouldn't tell them they suck at the game IRL? I guess you don't know me then.
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Real football, its also the most beloved and widespread sport in the world
Soccer has insane amounts of trash talk, whether between players, managers, and especially the fans. I mean, Americans might talk a lot of smack, but we don't go around starting fights like Soccer Hooligans do in other countries. Take a look at Real Madrid-Barcelona, or any derby in the UK, they all talk loads of smack.
And if you don't think great soccer players, from older ones like Maradona, to modern ones like Cristiano Ronaldo or Wayne Rooney, are cocky, I don't know what to say.
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On September 17 2010 05:27 Raevin wrote:No i started watching football in 1989. And its called football not SOKKAR
People can call it soccer or football whatever they want. You're not helping your case by misspelling it.
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