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On September 17 2010 04:37 Frozne wrote:
A lot of times in games if someone says "gl hf gg" I happily respond "go fuck yourself"
They are usually appalled and I assume it's then going to throw them off their game because they'll be thinking "omg why did this mean person tell me to go fuck myself omg qqqqqqq" or something like that.
Funny, I assume I'd roll you because you so easily flip out after a simple glhf. People who BM I find to be emotionally unstable and can't keep their shit together. It shows in their play.
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On September 17 2010 03:26 NukeTheBunnys wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 03:12 awesomoecalypse wrote:
At least in America, we *expect* our athletes to talk trash. We like it, and we idolize them for it. Speak for yourself, not for all of us. Honestly I find it disgraceful when people act like this.
Indeed.
I hate trash talking in everything, be it sports or games.
I've gone to tournaments for other games, and it's pretty shameful how some people act...though it's funny how people are freaking out in here calling people who dislike BM "Pussies". A bit Immature, don't you think?
I'm glad SC is as well mannered as it is, it's a breath of fresh air.
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There is a big difference between trash talk and BM imo. Trash talk is trying to get into someone's head and put them on tilt where BM is just being an asshole and putting someone down. There have been plenty of times in sports where players have been called on being douche bags too.
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Everybody I know despises the drama in "real" sports, I don't know of anyone who think it's a good thing and would enjoy the game a lot more if you didn't have assholes always shouting I am the best!" more times then not, it turns the public against them and makes people wish for them to fail, and laugh when they do.
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Yes, you really do sound American.
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wheres the sportsmanship in BM?
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On September 17 2010 03:18 Stegosaur wrote:
The difference is that a big American Football player talking trash is a badass, while an SC2 player is sitting behind a computer screen while doing it, playing a videogame, making it awkward instead of badass.
This
Nobody likes cowards, go to a LAN party and start being BM, i assure you that you will get the living **** kicked out of you,i know it happened to a bunch of smart ass CS players
Take a scrawny and rather small guy like IdrA, there are people that would seriously harm him if he said any of that to their faces. It just ends up looking cowardice instead of "YO IM BADASS RAWR"
Unless your name is Brock Lesnar, there will always be someone bigger and/or stronger than you
Also do you know what community contains the most BM? Thats right World of Warcraft Arena, anyone who has been to MLG will attest to the amount of crap they spew about each other, both online for months and after.
It would be nice and special if SC2 wasent like every other game
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The OP serves no purpose except to reinforce the nasty stereotype that people often have for Americans; that is Americans are ignorant of other cultures and take pride in being overaggressive. Please stop talking as if you represent America and I think only not very intellectual people would cherish trash talk.
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On September 17 2010 05:03 phant wrote:
Everybody I know despises the drama in "real" sports, I don't know of anyone who think it's a good thing and would enjoy the game a lot more if you didn't have assholes always shouting I am the best!" more times then not, it turns the public against them and makes people wish for them to fail, and laugh when they do.
Dimagas 6pool vs Naniwa became even greater after Naniwa's IRC bm. Sometimes it adds entertainment.
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An (NFL) football game has two teams which spend an hour practically roughing each other up. Same thing for UFC, etc. It's a little more understandable that in the heat of the fight there would be some trash talk.
Starcraft is more like tennis - the conflict is more indirect, and is heavily influenced by control, technique, and strategy. Perhaps with this mindset, the best players are expected to have volatile, trash-talking personalities. Note that tennis players are indeed typically well-mannered. After all, rage is not going to help you in a tennis/starcraft match.
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BM =//= Being Immature.
Feeling the need to vent whenever things does not go your way is the fools reaction to failure.
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I think it has something to do with the fact that the BM in starcraft is in text form, so it seems to stick more in our minds.
When athletes BM it's verbal, so we forget about it pretty quickly.
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I like korean manners. I really think SC2-gaming in america should follow korea.
Sure, I love IdrA and I do BM sometimes myself (a lot of times when I lose I don't GG, and some times i rage a bit in the chat), but if you in progaming did nothing but flaming there wouldn't be that nice athmosphere about the game as it otherwise would be. Check out the Heroes of Newerth-community, that is flaming and flaming and flaming. You can't post on the forums without being flamed, and if you do one wrong thing in-game you are getting flamed on. That's sad.
I really like people who can say things to each other in-game, like dimaga and IdrA. It's much funnier than a "glhf" which is just written to get your fingers going and then a GG at the end. Discussing the game in short when you lose like "Oh I shouldn't have taken that expo" before leaving is great, no doubt, but flaming isn't. I do agree with IdrA in his thoughts about imbalance, but the flaming part isn't fun. It just takes away the victory from the opponent. If you lost to DTs and you tell him that he suck and cannot win properly then you're actually taking the win from your opponent. :S
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I agree 100% with this. Other esports trash talking is perfectly normal and no one takes it serious or makes a big fuss about it. But I guess because SC community is trying to incorporate the Korean style so badly they react to anything and call it BM. I know trash talking =/= BM but so far from what Ive seen from this community it is.
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I think it has to do with class and maturity
and the fact that as an RTS gamer, one should at least to try to appear intelligent and not as some retarded-cocky jock-wanna-be
just my biased opinion though, I really don't have a problem with BM being allowed, in fact I think BM should be "allowed" in tournaments just so you can know the players a lot better and differentiate between personality types of gamers
I just won't ever root for a BM player over one who is respectful of others
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On September 17 2010 04:37 Frozne wrote:
I thought the same thing when I came to the starcraft world from the FPS world. I was like omg where is the trash talking?!
Honestly I've come to realize it's just because a lot of pussies play Starcraft that get their feelings easily hurt.
A lot of times in games if someone says "gl hf gg" I happily respond "go fuck yourself"
They are usually appalled and I assume it's then going to throw them off their game because they'll be thinking "omg why did this mean person tell me to go fuck myself omg qqqqqqq" or something like that.
Everyone wants to be a hero in starcraft, I'd rather be a villain.
/shrug
Yea i've had that happen to me sometimes, where they just tell me to "fuck myself" right as the game starts.
They usually just cheese because their brain cant handle a 10+ min game, at least in my experience. I cant imagine anyone being thrown off their game because of that either.
Also, the FPS world is dominated by 12 year old kids who think that everything is gay, and that the word "fuck" is "awesome wicked cool". In real life they wouldnt dare to even speak to you though 
Anonymous trashtalking = boring and silly. You're just saying things that have no consequences whatsoever.
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Other esports trash talking is perfectly normal
Do you really want to turn SC2 into Xbox Live and WoW type of low life drama?
Why cant the focus be on the games and the great playstyles?
You know which sport has much less trash talk than american football? Real football, its also the most beloved and widespread sport in the world
If you cant say something to someone in their face, you shouldnt say it online either, otherwise you are a coward little *****
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Don't really care either way about BM. However if it intensifies the rivalry, increases the stakes, and makes the games more entertaining, then I don't mind it. Watching stone cold machines compete is fine sometimes, but you have to mix in passion and energy too. I guess BM in moderation is okay with me.
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On September 17 2010 04:42 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +I'm the type that cheers my ass off when the assholes are bounced from a tournament. But thats whats so great about it. Love 'em or hate 'em (and yes, many people, like yourself) do hate them, you can't ignore them. It gives the sport a villain and someone to root against. Tell me, if IdrA BMs someone like crazy, and tells them what a noob they are...and then they kick his ass, isn't that more satisfying for you as a fan? To see his cocky words thrown back in his face?
Actually, I don't find it more satisfying for someone to kick an IdrA's or a Hellmuth's ass, because I don't respect them in the first place.
And in both the examples, I know that they're both "exceptional players" - but their BM outbursts kill any respect I have for them. In many ways, I honestly don't think they belong there in the first place because they're both such bad-mannered pricks. I would be just as happy to find out that they weren't even envited to a tournament as I am when they're ejected by another player.
If they could suck it up at the end of a match and essentially "good game" - be gracious in defeat - I could forgive almost any pre/during match taunting & such...but the fact that they can't accept defeat, that it was a donkey call or Terran is OP or Blizzard Sucks is what pisses me off & destroys any respect I have for them.
I guess, overall....I want a good match that is entertaining to watch which ends in some mutual respect for the competition & the opponent. Without the respect...its just a couple of morons measuring cocks...which I really DON'T want to see LOL
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<i>Honestly I've come to realize it's just because a lot of pussies play Starcraft that get their feelings easily hurt. </i>
Yea all those 15 year old "im macho" kids on Xbox Live sure are tough guys right?
Its well established that people who act "hard" on the internet, do so because they cant do that irl, because they have nothing to back it up. Thus they can feel like a man online.
My 2 military friends who could easily whip most peoples ass outright, are some of the best mannered people online, they have discipline, they dont sit around eating cheetos and calling people the N word on Xbox Live all day.
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