Why are Starcraft fans so obsessed with BM - Page 9

ArtemisKnives

United States210 Posts

September 16 2010 19:37 GMT

#161

I thought the same thing when I came to the starcraft world from the FPS world. I was like omg where is the trash talking?!

Honestly I've come to realize it's just because a lot of pussies play Starcraft that get their feelings easily hurt.

A lot of times in games if someone says "gl hf gg" I happily respond "go fuck yourself"

They are usually appalled and I assume it's then going to throw them off their game because they'll be thinking "omg why did this mean person tell me to go fuck myself omg qqqqqqq" or something like that.

Everyone wants to be a hero in starcraft, I'd rather be a villain.

/shrug

vileChAnCe

Canada525 Posts

September 16 2010 19:37 GMT

#162

It's called testosterone ladies, it's what makes you play the game. Gamers are a little strange because unlike athletes they're generally not an alpha male bursting to the seams with it... What I don't understand is that Koreans are told to read the Art Of War which fully endorses verbal banter for Mind games and yet it's still completely taboo.

If people had their little quips and talking shit in and in the beginning of the game I guarantee you, you would have less at the end. If I lose after exchanging trash talking I'm humbled and accept my loss because now I look like an idiot for spouting bullshit. I play that much harder so the next time I'll kick his ass.

Xented

United States30 Posts

September 16 2010 19:37 GMT

#163

On September 17 2010 03:21 gavss wrote:
you can't understand because bm is a cultural aspect in america

oh yes and turkey a cultural leader in good manners. lol

http://www.prokick.com/news/article/wkn-judge-punched-in-turkey/

clearly its just americans.

samalie

Canada87 Posts

September 16 2010 19:39 GMT

#164

I don't have any concern with people taunting/"trash talking"/etc before and during a match. If IdrA wants to jump around saying "I'm gonna kick this punk's ass" before a match, or do taunts, drop a CC in the opponent's main, whatever...go for it.

After the match though...that, IMHO, is the time for the pleasantries. Either being a poor winner "HAHAH! I fucked that noob up! What a fucking loser" or a poor loser "Fuck that shit, xxxx is OP, he's a scrub" has NO place in ANY sport as far as I'm concerned.

Same token...I don't rage if someone doesn't gg, or doesn't glhf. Whatever...I really don't give a shit either.

I guess really, I don't care about someone showing good manners, but I'm bothered when people just act like assholes. The Phil Helmuths and IrdA's of the world...fuck em. They're known & "popular" names because their extreme arrogance and douchebaggery has gotten them recognized...but that doesn't mean that either of them are worth shit. I'm the type that cheers my ass off when the assholes are bounced from a tournament.

Motiva

United States1774 Posts

September 16 2010 19:39 GMT

#165

On September 17 2010 03:22 OPSavioR wrote:
bad manner = immature

This is pretty much how i feel... That said, I'm pretty BM sometimes :D I do look down on it though, but the chemicals are strong ^^

KaoReal

Canada340 Posts

September 16 2010 19:40 GMT

#166

On September 17 2010 04:37 Frozne wrote:

A lot of times in games if someone says "gl hf gg" I happily respond "go fuck yourself"

They are usually appalled and I assume it's then going to throw them off their game because they'll be thinking "omg why did this mean person tell me to go fuck myself omg qqqqqqq" or something like that.

/shrug

thats a pretty big assumption. i personally just assume my opponent is an ignoramus

awesomoecalypse

United States2235 Posts

September 16 2010 19:42 GMT

#167

I'm the type that cheers my ass off when the assholes are bounced from a tournament.

But thats whats so great about it.

Love 'em or hate 'em (and yes, many people, like yourself) do hate them, you can't ignore them.

It gives the sport a villain and someone to root against.

Tell me, if IdrA BMs someone like crazy, and tells them what a noob they are...and then they kick his ass, isn't that more satisfying for you as a fan? To see his cocky words thrown back in his face?

DarQraven

Netherlands553 Posts

September 16 2010 19:43 GMT

#168

On September 17 2010 04:42 awesomoecalypse wrote:

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No, because it turns the attention away from the game itself and instead focuses on superficial ego issues. When a situation like you described happens I just facepalm and become annoyed with the immaturity of the player(s).

I liken it to a bad rap battle. Doesn't matter how good one of the rapper's flow or rhyme is, everyone cheers for the one that insults the other's mom the most/loudest/worst.

faseman

Australia215 Posts

September 16 2010 19:45 GMT

#169

A lot of Americans I run into online are loud, crude, obnoxious, whatever you want to call it. Calling things 'gay' or calling people 'faggot' for seemingly no reason. Yelling dumb things like "SIT DOWN KID!" "GET YO ASS WHOOPED!" "SUCK MY DICK!" is embarrassing to me. But in America it seems like people think it is witty or tough. These are the kinds of things I consider bad manners.

NIIINO

Slovakia1320 Posts

September 16 2010 19:47 GMT

#170

well i think some cheese tactics require more skill than long macro one fight faceroll battle and that cheese tactics not requiring skill (cannons) are just easy to counter as Tsuroka said ppl playing MW2 and consoles are bitching all day long it cause that stupid games they are playing.

Dont hate the player, hate the game.

I dont understand how people can saying you are gay cause u cheesed me or all in me its just your foul that u didnt counter it. boooom snap im right and you know it : ) u got everywhere nice and stupid people and we can just blame generations before us for this case.

People should be nice in every way not saying u would need luck, maybe when friend vs friend its ok but now against player u dont know

and i still dont know what BM means :x

Yurie

11822 Posts

September 16 2010 19:47 GMT

#171

Ah, I thought I had played you on EU server until I saw you were from US, was somebody else then.

It is actually kind of strange to get that response. Kind of like saying hello prior to a game and the person responds go fuck yourself. You take a few seconds to get over it since it is so odd. So it does have a minor mental impact, at least for me (takes like 15 seconds to fully get back to the game). ^^

groms

Canada1017 Posts

September 16 2010 19:49 GMT

#172

Coming from years of playing CS 1.6 and then wc3(mostly dota) I can be reasonably sure that no BM will actually bother me. How could someone typing something to you ever be more annoying than some 10-15 year old kid screeching into his mic every time he kills someone(CS pugs ftw?).

I have always been a rather GM player and I don't really understand why others choose to BM people all the time. I have a really thick skin and don't care whether anyone BM's me in game(happens alot b/c im only around 950 dia).

I frequently GLHF to get some retarded response like "get fucked" or some such. I find it more amusing than anything else and to the person that said that can throw someone off their game...this type of stuff typically motivates people to beat the living shit out of whoever BM's you. I have always played my best when someone pisses me off and I love to have it happen b/c it takes my game to the next level.

For the other GM people out there who get offended and don't want pros to do it or w/e. Try to get over it b/c its not going away anytime soon(maybe i'm wrong if so great).

Starfox

Austria699 Posts

September 16 2010 19:49 GMT

#173

How about you go and watch Wrestling? Seems to be the 'sport' for you.

The trash talking is the most boring shit, I wanna see awesome games, not two guys go
"You suck" - "no you" - "YOU!" - "your mother" - "NO YOURS!!"

Najda

United States3765 Posts

September 16 2010 19:51 GMT

#174

On September 17 2010 03:23 Fa1nT wrote:
They want SC2 to be a real sport.

Kinda odd, since in real sports, there is almost always a "the bad guy", that does stuff like headbutt people, punches people, rages hard at stuff

But people LIKE that stuff, it spices up games.

But starcraft fans want everyone to emulate polite koreans and force out a "gg" from every match.

I'm sure Jook was having a "good game" getting reaper'ed in GSL Ro32 day 1.

Ever heard of FireBatHero?

space_yes

United States548 Posts

September 16 2010 19:51 GMT

#175

On September 17 2010 04:45 faseman wrote:
A lot of Americans I run into online are loud, crude, obnoxious, whatever you want to call it. Calling things 'gay' or calling people 'faggot' for seemingly no reason. Yelling dumb things like "SIT DOWN KID!" "GET YO ASS WHOOPED!" "SUCK MY DICK!" is embarrassing to me. But in America it seems like people think it is witty or tough. These are the kinds of things I consider bad manners.

Yes.

And with respect to the OP's post on chess he is just wrong. You're actually not allowed to even talk to your opponent during a tournament chess match except to say 'j'adoube' or 'i adjust.'

eNyoron

United States170 Posts

September 16 2010 19:52 GMT

#176

Alright, the key here is to be BM while still showing your opponents respect. The general mis-assumption is that the two are mutually exclusive, however, the key is to present yourself as superior, not to present your opponent as inferior. Ali claimed himself as "The Greatest," not as "the only boxer that has self respect and doesn't win only with haymakers like a tactless faggot". "The Greatest" is a title that actually bestows respect to his opponents, as anybody who fights against "The Greatest" must be pretty fucking good to stand toe to toe.

When we bash bad mannerisms, it's almost always because one player at the end of the game is berating his opponent, his opponent's strategy, blizzard, the map, etc. By contrast, we LOVE FBH's dance ceramonies, Much's pylon heart, Boxer's emp + nuke, TLO's marauder bombs, etc. Because it's the winning player saying "yeah, I have the advantage here, because I'm freaking good."

Rah

United States973 Posts

September 16 2010 19:52 GMT

#177

I'd like to see more trash talk pre game as long as it's well executed. Meaning witty and it can get in the opponent's head. Heated rivalries coming from stuff like that would definitly make SC2 more interesting and give commentators something else to talk about.

dudeman001

United States2412 Posts

September 16 2010 19:53 GMT

#178

It's not a difficult task to play videogames and be a dick. In fact it's painfully easy. But it's almost not difficult to be a level-headed and reasonable person. The way I see it is this: if you can remain a gentleman (or woman) on the Internet then you'd be a nice and pleasant person in RL. Any 13 year old can scream into a mic or talk smack about their opponent's mum. It takes someone with discipline to say "hey, good job. I really got out played there gg."

MenacingVitamin

United States50 Posts

September 16 2010 19:54 GMT

#179

I am American and I can surely say that I do not share the OP's opinions. I don't like cockiness , bad mannerisms or trash-talking in ANY competitive arena.

OP does not speak for all Americans. Not in the fucking slightest.

vyyye

Sweden3917 Posts

September 16 2010 19:54 GMT

#180

After having played HoN for quite a while, I can only see the benefits of it. Yeah, sometimes people act like babies but in the long run you at least have a good mannered community. If I ask an opponent where he hid X or Y after I've lost a game, he'll 90% of the time just tell me. In other games you'd get the "LOL SCOUT NUB" mentality.
Ditto for pro gaming, trash talk can be enjoyable but it gets silly as hell after a while. There's a reason JP says the good mannered SC2 community surprises him, while the console community makes him puke.

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