EPTPlayers vs Casters - Page 2
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
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mrd33ds
Djibouti30 Posts
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
However, live games are much more exciting than replays. ESL has the right to stream their own tournaments. Remember that Day[9]'s KotB was popular because the beta had finished at that point so even replays were exciting back then. | ||
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mrd33ds
Djibouti30 Posts
On September 06 2010 09:55 rackdude wrote: My only problem with replays is you sometimes can hear spoilers of the game before it's casted, and that just plain sucks for a viewer. Not if you just watch the plain replay. replay casting is getting old, its a lot more fun to cast them to yourself! =) | ||
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UberThing
Great Britain410 Posts
On September 06 2010 09:50 Innsmouth-Zerg wrote: I agree with HuK ^^ I agree with HuK ^^ | ||
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comis
United States333 Posts
Until then, it's these casters that are paying your bills (more viewers = more $$). Get used to them and stop whining imo. | ||
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SharkSpider
Canada606 Posts
Otherwise, you get players having to deal with laggy games and casters who think they're more important than the players are. If anyone thinks 15-30 minutes wait on their stream is more important than a player's ability to be at their best in a tournament with a prize pool that matters and any type of public exposure for the final sets of games, they shouldn't be casting SC2, period. | ||
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SupeNerd
United States2 Posts
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
Definitely agree with high money tournaments needing to have a delay of minimum 5 minutes, or just run off replays. On the other hand, a lot of small tournaments are going to want to be done all at once because people don't have the time to run it then go back and supervise casting. However, if there's serious money involved, preventing cheating is essential to having successful events, otherwise players may stop entering them. | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
On September 06 2010 09:59 SharkSpider wrote: Pecking order is and should always be Event Sponsors > Players > Casters. It's reasonable for event sponsors to want a referee in every game, and IMO the sponsors can make that one of their own casters if they want to do so. Otherwise, you get players having to deal with laggy games and casters who think they're more important than the players are. If anyone thinks 15-30 minutes wait on their stream is more important than a player's ability to be at their best in a tournament with a prize pool that matters and any type of public exposure for the final sets of games, they shouldn't be casting SC2, period. Very well said. Agree with this post entirely.  | ||
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Astronaut
United States52 Posts
Would you mind if the game was casted live with one (perhaps two) observers, and the stream was delayed 5 minutes? | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
I just find its absolutely insane that casters > players in these tournaments. The tournament should revolve around the players, not to jumpstart an amateur's casters career. I have to strongly agree with the notion that tournaments should livecast replays instead of doing things actually live. Its just more respectable and sensible to the players. I'm behind any player 100% anytime they argue against casters in their stream. Also, I live a pretty busy life and catching a live event 3pm on a Tuesday is ridiculous for me. If people really want more viewers, they should live cast replays at "prime times". | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Casters need Players for content. Players need Casters for cash. Simple, inescapable fact that none of you are going to get anywhere splitting off into camps and taking sides against each other. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
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NeSS1
United States101 Posts
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Innsmouth-Zerg
Austria137 Posts
On September 06 2010 10:06 TotalBiscuit wrote: This thread isn't going anywhere with such a blatantly provocative title as 'Players vs Casters'. It's already set it up for days worth of partisan, biased nonsense. Casters need Players for content. Players need Casters for cash. Simple, inescapable fact that none of you are going to get anywhere splitting off into camps and taking sides against each other. Indeed it is true that Good Players, need Good Casters, need Good Tournaments. But what do they all need? Viewers, without public interest there are no big tournaments. What do viewers want? Good Players performing on there very best resulting in awesome games. How do we fuck that up? Putting a bunch of bad casters in a game lagging everything up resulting in a bad performance and therefor a bad game resulting in unhappy and stream leaving viewers. Thats that. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On September 06 2010 10:06 TotalBiscuit wrote: This thread isn't going anywhere with such a blatantly provocative title as 'Players vs Casters'. It's already set it up for days worth of partisan, biased nonsense. Casters need Players for content. Players need Casters for cash. Simple, inescapable fact that none of you are going to get anywhere splitting off into camps and taking sides against each other. Except for the fact that I imagine all of the players aren't fucking retards. They understand that if they'll be required to have Streamer-X in their game, that they'll allow it if it is required. However, where they become more combative is when it's Streamer-X.... plus Y, W, Z, and Q. There are no sides to this issue: There is a right side and the wrong side. This isn't an opinion. | ||
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cyprin
United States1105 Posts
Have any live Starcraft 2 casts reached that level? | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On September 06 2010 10:10 Innsmouth-Zerg wrote: Indeed it is true that Good Players, need Good Casters, need Good Tournaments. But what do they all need? Viewers, without public interest there are no big tournaments. What do viewers want? Good Players performing on there very best resulting in awesome games. How do we fuck that up? Putting a bunch of bad casters in a game lagging everything up resulting in a bad performance and therefor a bad game resulting in unhappy and stream leaving viewers. Thats that. The stupid thing about this thread and every other that spawns off it, is that it's thanks to a bunch of people acting like idiots and has lead to a widespread indictment of tournament organisers, casters and players in general. The following, acted like idiots, in no particular order or proportion. MorroW ESL The legion of casters who dogpiled the game Now, thanks to those 3 entities and a bunch of vitriolic mouthy fanbois from all sides, we've got this so-called 'debate' which, thanks to being lead by a prominent player with an obvious (and justifiable) bias, is going to descend into pages worth of caster bashing and wankery with no actual progress being made. Casters aren't going to dare wade into this thread in large numbers to defend themselves (I'm too dumb to know what's good for me, I don't count), TL has a natural bias towards pro-players (also totally justifiable, bias isn't necessarily a bad word), how do you think this thread is going to turn out exactly? Some people are interested in community building and those people understand the co-dependent relationship between players, casters, tournament organisers and sponsors. There has to be give-and-take from all sides because if even one of those four is marginalised, you end up with a bad eSports scene that nobody wants to inject money into. So perhaps, in future, when we start threads like 'Players vs Casters', we could take a moment to think about just how constructive such a thread will turn out to be and whether one's time could have better been spent in providing solutions to the problems facing all of us as opposed to drawing battlelines and planting flags in the ground with inflammatory language. I'm going to bed, I'm too old for this shit. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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