EPTHuK is suggesting communism, Blizzard isn't communist. (Albeit their war on trolling and silencing of any negative feedback continues to rage on)
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
HuK is suggesting communism, Blizzard isn't communist. (Albeit their war on trolling and silencing of any negative feedback continues to rage on) | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On September 07 2010 05:12 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Ugh this thread is the biggest repeat ever. 1) Huk: "Hey just use replays" 2) Caster/Tour Admin: "Dude there is a problem with spoilers and players not sending in replays, plus you will get less viewers with replays than live" 3) Random TL Viewer: "Oh just add a delay" 4) Caster: "That's alot of $ and really not feasible." 5) Random TL Viewer: "Oh, well than idk" 6) Random Top Player: "Just use replays... theres no problems" 7) Random dogpile of people agreeing with the new top player posting 8)New Caster jumps in and says this is not a viable business model for 90% of tournaments Repeat steps 3-8 Fixed that for you, basically the thread in a nutshell. Players are biased, casters/admins are biased tired of repeating myself saying that both parties need to make accommodations for each other seeing as nobody is really listening. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:39 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Fixed that for you, basically the thread in a nutshell. Players are biased, casters/admins are biased tired of repeating myself saying that both parties need to make accommodations for each other seeing as nobody is really listening. I lol'd sir. Well played | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
But yeah, it is pretty ridiculous with the current situation. | ||
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Losthorn
Georgia351 Posts
Obviously best tournament format is LAN / live casted (GSL, MLG etc). Online tournaments should all be replay casted as stated by the people that make it all happen (huk, tyler , morrow, idra, 99% of all progamers I am sure). Some1 get a poll running to see the actual numbers but I think most people would back the progamers here.... The only reason I wrote this is when I saw the retarded chat reaction to HuK requesting the game to be caster / observer free during the recent gosucup and even casters were like " Well its a live game HuK just has to deal with it". Seriously? get your heads out of your behinds!!!! Without players your cups/ tourns would not be happening!!! | ||
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HuckIt
United States9 Posts
Something else to consider that I haven't seen mentioned, is that the people that post here aren't necessarily a representative sample of the people that watch SC2 tournaments. | ||
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Killerbot
United States106 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:35 cyclone25 wrote: This is ridiculous haha. So you suggest spectators should be forbidden on a live match? Also lol at players cheating by knowing what their opponents will do. Did you ever saw a football game? You know how this game is played? Sorry but your logic is terrible. Well first I'm just showing the stupid nature of using a FOOTBALL match to compare to a video game cast. You are the one who started the analogy, I'm taking your analogy and using it's piss poor starting position to try and explain to someone as dim as you what it is similar to in a professional video game sense. Yes I know how soccer (thats what we call it) is played, and yes I understand that my logic may seem flawed but yours is even worse for starting a comparison between watching a football game live on TV and watching a video game live on a stream versus slightly delayed/recorded on a stream. Oh and if every 1 out of 5 spectators did that to a football game, they would remove them (cite Italian soccer body BANNING spectators following guess what? A RIOT THAT DISRUPTED THE GAME). Take your sports analogies and forget them, they don't apply. Just to cite about the Italian Ban http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/europe/2007-02-07-italy-violence-stadiums_x.htm Guess what disruptive behavior, such as lagging in a esport event is similar (not saying equal or anything) to starting a freaking riot in the stands. | ||
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GambleVII
126 Posts
Have them play send replay. The Show that replay and stream it while casting.. Then just do the 2nd game after the first is done... Never any delay inbetween and it be pretty nice. | ||
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Sernen
United States40 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:48 Sernen wrote: The casters are too set in their ways, funny how they say nothing is being accomplished I feel the same way while watching most of their casts. Just imagine, without live casting, it'd take 5 or more minutes to hear about some exciting 6 pool going on. That's just unacceptable! | ||
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Sernen
United States40 Posts
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:36 Cranberries wrote: Blizzard wont change their stance. Blizzard doesn't have a stance on this. HuK is suggesting communism, Blizzard isn't communist. (Albeit their war on trolling and silencing of any negative feedback continues to rage on) lol wut | ||
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Killerbot
United States106 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:36 Cranberries wrote: Blizzard wont change their stance. Blizzard doesn't have a stance on this. HuK is suggesting communism, Blizzard isn't communist. (Albeit their war on trolling and silencing of any negative feedback continues to rage on) Communism? Just wow. Dang beat me to it korea. | ||
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:56 Jibba wrote: You should probably get used to it if you plan on following top tier BW/SC2 seriously. Well I can tune into GSL from 10am BST (which is very good, forces me to get up early too) and most US tournaments run from 19:00 to 23:00 or 01:00 BST which is timed brilliantly, except when there are good BBC programs being aired (Waterloo Road <3). No tournaments are going to start at 19:00 [random US timezone] or later, because it's too late for EU players/too early for Korean players. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On September 07 2010 04:22 HuK wrote: excuse me ? i have no idea what your talking about though. if ur talking about esl, we were never asked to post the replays; right after games we were asked to do interviews or w/e and the admins took care of it. i always send in replays including ur ITL GP (with dumby replays) and Gosucup among others. so please dont try to pull that Official IEM Rules: http://gfx.esl-europe.net/gfx/media/masters/rulebook/Intel_Extreme_Masters_SeasonIV_Rulebook.pdf Let me point out in particular 4.10 Demos and Replays All Demo's or replays must be immediately uploaded to a networked server, or to a USB stick provided by the Intel Extreme Masters administration. 7.5.2 Demos All players have to record demos from their matches. They have to those recordings until the end of the tournament. Replays have to be uploaded on the match site until 24 hours after the match has been played. You were saying? | ||
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phuzi0n
United States308 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:54 Cranberries wrote: One must also mention that live events are generally timed so that the entire world, within reason, can watch the event live. Watching Day9's KotB at 3-4am BST wasn't my idea of "fun". Uh, no... GSL is being cast at 2-5AM PST / 5-8AM EST so the Americas are having to be up in the middle of the night just like you did for Day9's KotB. | ||
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Killerbot
United States106 Posts
On September 07 2010 08:04 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Official IEM Rules: http://gfx.esl-europe.net/gfx/media/masters/rulebook/Intel_Extreme_Masters_SeasonIV_Rulebook.pdf Let me point out in particular 4.10 Demos and Replays All Demo's or replays must be immediately uploaded to a networked server, or to a USB stick provided by the Intel Extreme Masters administration. 7.5.2 Demos All players have to record demos from their matches. They have to those recordings until the end of the tournament. Replays have to be uploaded on the match site until 24 hours after the match has been played. You were saying? To quote your own post Raelcun and HuK's he says that the ADMINS took care of the replays, which I think is completely acceptable, why should the player HAVE to be responsible for replays when you can just as easily have 1 admin in the game and he can post replays. Or after a match you can have an admin pop on a player's comp while the user is deciding next map. The players have plenty of stress and things going on in their heads already to have to also be thinking about saving and uploading replays, the solution is to have 1(ONE) and only 1 admin in the game, with no casting and he immediately gives the replay to the appropriate casters or in a live LAN event to have an admin pop on the winner's comp and upload the replay while the loser picks map. Those IEM rules obviously are ignored in live events, as I will take HuK's word over the IEM rulebook. | ||
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tsutter
United States52 Posts
the people complaining that it'll lose ~*The Magic*~ or ~*The Hype*~ because they don't get instant gratification and instead get gratification 5 minutes later are dumb and shouldn't even be paid attention to almost every competition, game show, whatever on TV is taped - does that stop the hype? not really. not everything is afforded the luxury of being live, and when it starts jeopardizing the legitimacy of tournament results then god damn just go to replays its simple | ||
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