EPTAs a Zerg player, it has been increasingly hard to beat Terran, but I think this new tactic will help Z.
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I didn't see this posted anywhere. I just wanted to share the uberness of this ^_^.
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FullofNguyen
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As a Zerg player, it has been increasingly hard to beat Terran, but I think this new tactic will help Z. Link I didn't see this posted anywhere. I just wanted to share the uberness of this ^_^. User was warned for this post | ||
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afg-warrior
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FullofNguyen
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Bair
United States698 Posts
It is appreciated you are trying, but this is something that has been known since beta. Just today was the first time someone created a thread on TL about it XD | ||
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FullofNguyen
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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FullofNguyen
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
TL oh how I <3 you. | ||
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Konsume
Canada466 Posts
vs Thors : 4x 300/200 = 1200min/800gaz and yet... while using the magic box trick... you still lose 4 mutas I mean... if you want to do real test.. send 12 mutas vs 4 thors (or 8-9 thors vs 24 mutas)... and compair! mutas will get raped or get about even! Than in real games you'll get about 5-6 SCVs that will repair thors.... so if you want REAL IN-GAME test... send in some 5-6 SCV to repair the thors  Voila your tests.Another thing also. Why did you put all thors clumped up? it's pretty rare that when you get in a game that all thors will take damage from mutal bounce... it's all small things that invalidate your test. it's like saying.... Hey guys Marauders are totaly demolishing Ultralisks (whiles it's the opposite) I will put 1 ultralisk vs 20 marauders... and will say here is how you do it. Hit stim focus with the 20 marauders on 1 ultralisk BAM! See... I call that the magic stim use! Yep! Just wanted to help the terran community! | ||
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morimacil
France921 Posts
I mean sure, it helps to know that trick, but its still showing 2400 gas worth of mutas vs 800 gas of thors. 24 mutas against 12 thors would be a whole lot less in favor of the mutas, even though not stacking them up does help | ||
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FullofNguyen
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On August 21 2010 13:13 FullofNguyen wrote: you could also try to micro mutas? but that might induce splash dmg if a shot happens to go off close to other mutas. Like how? Thors have silly range so you're going to get shot no matter what you do. | ||
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morimacil
France921 Posts
And about microing mutas: You mean taking a muta that is at 3 range of a thor, pulling it back to 11 range to be out of range of the thor, before the muta dies? Probably not worth it at all, you better stay there and dps rather than moving out while not dpsing, letting others take splash, and probably still having it die. Plus, the thors can actually focus fire the mutas, the mutas cant focus fire the thors without clumping up. | ||
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ooni
Australia1498 Posts
On August 21 2010 13:11 Konsume wrote: Mutalisk : 24x 100/100 = 2400minerals/2400gaz vs Thors : 4x 300/200 = 1200min/800gaz and yet... while using the magic box trick... you still lose 4 mutas I mean... if you want to do real test.. send 12 mutas vs 4 thors (or 8-9 thors vs 24 mutas)... and compair! mutas will get raped or get about even! Than in real games you'll get about 5-6 SCVs that will repair thors.... so if you want REAL IN-GAME test... send in some 5-6 SCV to repair the thors Voila your tests.Another thing also. Why did you put all thors clumped up? it's pretty rare that when you get in a game that all thors will take damage from mutal bounce... it's all small things that invalidate your test. it's like saying.... Hey guys Marauders are totaly demolishing Ultralisks (whiles it's the opposite) I will put 1 ultralisk vs 20 marauders... and will say here is how you do it. Hit stim focus with the 20 marauders on 1 ultralisk BAM! See... I call that the magic stim use! Yep! Just wanted to help the terran community! Well it's 21 marauders fyi. And why stim if you are going to one hit? :D In the video he didn't move his injured muta at all. Thors didn't focus fire I still say check's clockwise micro is the best option, he didn't lose any mutas. Why are people thinking about using mutas against thors again? | ||
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Konsume
Canada466 Posts
Didn't clumped the thors (they have 41924miles range and in-game they are rarely clumped) 4xThors vs 12xmutalisks = 2-3 thors alive 1200/800 vs 1200/1200 + Show Spoiler + Best test so far in the favor of Mutalisks: ![[image loading]](http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8751/screenshot2010082100354.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8062/screenshot2010082100362.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9213/screenshot2010082100365.jpg) 8xThors vs 24xmutalisk = 5-6 thors alive 2400/1600 vs 2400/2400 + Show Spoiler + Best test so far in the favor of Mutalisks: ![[image loading]](http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3005/screenshot2010082100395.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7696/screenshot2010082100402.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9075/screenshot2010082100405.jpg) 9xThors vs 24xmutalisk = 7thors alive 2700/1800 vs 2400/2400 + Show Spoiler + Best test so far in the favor of Mutalisks: ![[image loading]](http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/5661/screenshot2010082100450.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5661/screenshot2010082100450.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3306/screenshot2010082100454.jpg) 1x thors vs 3 mutalisks = 1thors with +50%hp 300/200 vs 300/300 + Show Spoiler + Best test so far in the favor of Mutalisks: ![[image loading]](http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9071/screenshot2010082100582.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9071/screenshot2010082100582.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9029/screenshot2010082100585.jpg) add in SCVs to the calcules and... i'm pretty sure there is less dead thors Yep! So basicaly... a ground unit that pretty much rapes every ground unit zerg has at the exception of Ultralisk will also own equal air forces. [sarcasm]Seems balanced to me![/sarcasm] Basicaly thors were fine in beta prior the "splash damage buff". Now they are just ridiculous | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
On August 21 2010 13:11 Konsume wrote: Mutalisk : 24x 100/100 = 2400minerals/2400gaz vs Thors : 4x 300/200 = 1200min/800gaz and yet... while using the magic box trick... you still lose 4 mutas I mean... if you want to do real test.. send 12 mutas vs 4 thors (or 8-9 thors vs 24 mutas)... and compair! mutas will get raped or get about even! Than in real games you'll get about 5-6 SCVs that will repair thors.... so if you want REAL IN-GAME test... send in some 5-6 SCV to repair the thors Voila your tests.Another thing also. Why did you put all thors clumped up? it's pretty rare that when you get in a game that all thors will take damage from mutal bounce... it's all small things that invalidate your test. it's like saying.... Hey guys Marauders are totaly demolishing Ultralisks (whiles it's the opposite) I will put 1 ultralisk vs 20 marauders... and will say here is how you do it. Hit stim focus with the 20 marauders on 1 ultralisk BAM! See... I call that the magic stim use! Yep! Just wanted to help the terran community! His example may be bad, but in the unit tester If you make 3 Thors and 18 SCVs, then create a muta army of equal value you very easily win. Thor and Muta damage have not changed since I did this in the tester during late beta. Use move to fly overhead, press stop and wait till they are all stopped, attack Thors 1 at a time. | ||
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Konsume
Canada466 Posts
On August 21 2010 13:32 DeCoup wrote: His example may be bad, but in the unit tester If you make 3 Thors and 18 SCVs, then create a muta army of equal value you very easily win. Thor and Muta damage have not changed since I did this in the tester during late beta. Use move to fly overhead, press stop and wait till they are all stopped, attack Thors 1 at a time. well you must redo it... cause I just did it 20sec ago... and mutalisk fail vs equal value | ||
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EppE
United States221 Posts
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FullofNguyen
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