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On August 14 2010 04:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 04:46 neohero9 wrote:
The amount of resistance to changing a single word in one's vocabulary to one which doesn't make people weep hysterically because of trauma, BECAUSE it makes people weep hysterically because of TRAUMA, is amazing.
It's not "something bad that happened to them". Being punched in the face in a barfight is something bad; dropping a hammer on your toe is something bad.
Having someone forcefully shove their cock inside of you AGAINST YOUR WILL is beyond "something bad". If badness is the measuring stick used, not context, then beat is just as bad. Beaten wives, physical child abuse, the world is full of people scarred (both physically and emotionally) from being beaten. Of course in a gaming context it means something completely different to beat someone but we're disregarding context here.
You obviously either didn't read, or completely disregarded my post on p3.
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No one on this site is going to care because none of them have been raped. Sad, but humans are evil. I feel bad for the OP, everyone is just pushing stupid comparisons in his face and laughing. I think its a fair request although I myself probably wouldn't put much effort into stop using the word. Rape is pretty terrible and personal experience, it's not really the same as using the word gay. When gay people see the word gay they aren't offended by it, theres no terrible experience behind it for them. But when a rape victim sees the word rape, its a different experience.
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I personally think the word is OK. At worst, it's a metaphor. However, for practical reasons, I try to limit use, same with stuff like "gay", and other non-PC stuff. Aesthetically, I prefer more clever phrasing. Also, I agree it has little place in a professional or formal setting.
That said, outright banning/discouraging it bothers me a bit- it's illogical. If something is clearly non-offensive, and you are offended, some of the problem is on the receiver end. Both sides have to work together for the best balance imo. Let's not be quick to generalize and be overprotective of victim groups. Often they're a lot stronger than we give them credit for, and might find tiptoeing around them patronizing.
I fully respect your intentions though.
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On August 14 2010 04:48 SpicyCrab wrote:
For all of the people who insist that this is not a big deal, I implore you to go to a real rape victim and explain to them why it's a really cool word to use and trivialize and why they should just get over it. The impetus should be on them to "Get over it" right? I mean it's their fault after all.
I can only express intense disappointment at the complete lack of maturity and understanding from this community and what makes me even more sad is that I know that TL is one of the most mature gaming communities that exists; I can only imagine what the response would be on a normal gaming forum.
This kid is a troll. Please get rid of him.
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i cant beliebe you actually made a thread about this. I'm really sorry for you.
It's like complaining about speedlings or cracklings as drug addicts or ppl at rehab might feel bad hearing it. Jesus F christ. Or why to go that far, "he killed that marine". My father could have been a marine who was killed, shame on the casters. I'm seriously in shock. Something is really wrong with you man, or you re just trollnig hardcore.
I believe the game has some signs on it, eys i'm talking about the physical copy, which say violence and harsh language and idontknowevenwhatelse. Being raped? That must be terrible but you canot expect ppl to quit using words with negative meaning casually just because it might hurt some ppl.
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On August 14 2010 04:51 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 04:48 SpicyCrab wrote:
For all of the people who insist that this is not a big deal, I implore you to go to a real rape victim and explain to them why it's a really cool word to use and trivialize and why they should just get over it. The impetus should be on them to "Get over it" right? I mean it's their fault after all.
I can only express intense disappointment at the complete lack of maturity and understanding from this community and what makes me even more sad is that I know that TL is one of the most mature gaming communities that exists; I can only imagine what the response would be on a normal gaming forum.
This kid is a troll. Please get rid of him.
This kid has a point. Please listen to him.
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On August 14 2010 04:48 SpicyCrab wrote:
For all of the people who insist that this is not a big deal, I implore you to go to a real rape victim and explain to them why it's a really cool word to use and trivialize and why they should just get over it. The impetus should be on them to "Get over it" right? I mean it's their fault after all.
I can only express intense disappointment at the complete lack of maturity and understanding from this community and what makes me even more sad is that I know that TL is one of the most mature gaming communities that exists; I can only imagine what the response would be on a normal gaming forum.
It's not their fault - it's their problem. Of course it's not their fault that they got raped but they carry that burden with them - don't try to forcibly pass it on to the rest of us. This sounds really cold but it's the truth.
You can ask nicely for people to stop using it, but do more than that and you're going to get backlash.
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On August 14 2010 04:51 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 04:48 SpicyCrab wrote:
For all of the people who insist that this is not a big deal, I implore you to go to a real rape victim and explain to them why it's a really cool word to use and trivialize and why they should just get over it. The impetus should be on them to "Get over it" right? I mean it's their fault after all.
I can only express intense disappointment at the complete lack of maturity and understanding from this community and what makes me even more sad is that I know that TL is one of the most mature gaming communities that exists; I can only imagine what the response would be on a normal gaming forum.
This kid is a troll. Please get rid of him.
No he is a rape victim, please don't downplay the obvious.
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Uhh, no I am not a troll. I am making a point. Did you read my post?
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On August 14 2010 04:48 SpicyCrab wrote:
For all of the people who insist that this is not a big deal, I implore you to go to a real rape victim and explain to them why it's a really cool word to use and trivialize and why they should just get over it. The impetus should be on them to "Get over it" right? I mean it's their fault after all.
What a ridiculous straw man. I'm not trivilising rape, I wouldn't ever tell them to just get over it and it's certainly not their fault they got raped. If I wasn't emotionally invested in this argument at this point I'd hand down a warning for that because that kind of logic is akin to godwins law and simply ruins debates.
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I have a novel idea.
Instead of thinking about "Why SHOULDN'T I use this word?" let's investigate the other side.
Why should we use this word? What do we stand to gain from the usage of this word?
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On August 14 2010 04:01 KwarK wrote:
He's slaughtering those zealots could be offensive to victims of genocide.
Words have meanings. In gaming to rape does not mean to sexually assault the unit or player in question. If anyone was in any way unclear about that then I can see why they might be shocked until the matter was cleared up. But I cannot understand why a word, which at this point is simply a homonym, should be banned because a tiny minority of people associate it with something other than the intended meaning.
In gaming culture rape is not an offensive word. I don't use it but this is almost as bad as people who claim the word niggardly is racist because it sounds kinda like nigger.
Really great post, and I completely agree with all of it 100%.
I don't really use the word, "Rape" when I'm playing games, but I tend to say "Get banged on" which derived from my playing WoW and I also use "Get pooped on" or "Get shit on" (these are used most when I'm playing SSBB with my cousins and friends ^_^ man it's always fun as shit to play with them). Also one of my favorite words to use during gaming has got to be "Faggot" something about it just rolls off the tongue and exits the mouth like a nice good shit that you've been holding in an hour.
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On August 14 2010 04:51 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 04:48 SpicyCrab wrote:
For all of the people who insist that this is not a big deal, I implore you to go to a real rape victim and explain to them why it's a really cool word to use and trivialize and why they should just get over it. The impetus should be on them to "Get over it" right? I mean it's their fault after all.
I can only express intense disappointment at the complete lack of maturity and understanding from this community and what makes me even more sad is that I know that TL is one of the most mature gaming communities that exists; I can only imagine what the response would be on a normal gaming forum.
This kid is a troll. Please get rid of him.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130403
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The OP is incredibly naive. I've been there too of course, I think we all have; young, naive and full of simple answers. You're having a moral argument and you think you can just state "you're wrong. Sorry" and somehow win?
You don't win. You never win these arguments. These arguments are just people stating their opinions over and over, some based on rational thought while others are not, until everyone lose interest. Then another similar thread appears a month later and we all do the dance again.
Morals are not debatable. There are no simple answers.
Don't worry son, you'll grow out of it.
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I'd just like to make a point to those who are saying that rapes are much more prominent than all the other potential "beatings" "retards" "people being offended by X," that gaming culture appeals mostly to males. The chances you are encountering a random female on SC2 or some game is quite low, and for them to have been raped is even lower.
Just trying to counter the "this is a more valid reason because there are so many people who have been raped," argument, while there aren't many people who have X.
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On August 14 2010 04:54 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 04:51 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 04:48 SpicyCrab wrote:
For all of the people who insist that this is not a big deal, I implore you to go to a real rape victim and explain to them why it's a really cool word to use and trivialize and why they should just get over it. The impetus should be on them to "Get over it" right? I mean it's their fault after all.
I can only express intense disappointment at the complete lack of maturity and understanding from this community and what makes me even more sad is that I know that TL is one of the most mature gaming communities that exists; I can only imagine what the response would be on a normal gaming forum.
This kid is a troll. Please get rid of him. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130403
Yes. My use of the word is correct. I know. I even highlighted the bait.
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On August 14 2010 04:48 SpicyCrab wrote:
For all of the people who insist that this is not a big deal, I implore you to go to a real rape victim and explain to them why it's a really cool word to use and trivialize and why they should just get over it. The impetus should be on them to "Get over it" right? I mean it's their fault after all.
I can only express intense disappointment at the complete lack of maturity and understanding from this community and what makes me even more sad is that I know that TL is one of the most mature gaming communities that exists; I can only imagine what the response would be on a normal gaming forum.
Dude, thats a paradox. Why is it so hard to accept that words have different meaning in different situations? Most children even learn this at a young age. Why havnt you?
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Kind of like how gamers also call everyone fags, but not necessarily as a negative anti gay word, your just a fag if you go quick void ray, naw sayin? ^_^
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On August 14 2010 04:48 neohero9 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 04:45 Slow Motion wrote:It's an interesting utilitarian. Millions of gamers will be slightly hurt by forcing themselves not to say "rape." A few gamers will be very hurt when they hear the word rape. In the total aggregate, the greatest pleasure comes from people freely using the word as we do now. However, if we want to maximize average pleasure we should censor ourselves. Oh and also I can't believe no one has posted this legendary thread yet. So mean but hilarious at the same time. No. The greatest pleasure comes from changing it. See my post on Page 3. Degree matters.
That's another difficulty with utilitarianism. You state that the greatest aggregate pleasure comes from not using the word but you have no way of actual comparison. My feeling is that a large majority of gamers on this site enjoy using the word "rape" to some small degree as opposed to censorship, while those who are either a little offended by it or very hurt (because of personal experiences) are in a very small minority. Of course I have no real proof of this beyond impression, but neither do you for your argument.
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On August 14 2010 04:54 Osmoses wrote:
Morals are not debatable.
Morals are debatable and definable. You've obviously never spent a lot of time looking into this.
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