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Chancho
United States50 Posts
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Aikin
Austria532 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
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On August 14 2010 04:34 Eyeon wrote: My two younger brothers are both severely autistic, and I will never have a conversation with them ever. I got over the term "retard" being offensive pretty quickly. At least rape, as listed by KwarK, has other meanings and connotations other than the traditional definition. In response to a ridiculous lack of ability to communicate between myself and some other players in a ums game the other day, I asked them "what, are you guys autistic?". Out of curiosity, would that offend you? It sure offended one of them. I got a prompt "man that isn't cool". But I thought it was an entirely appropriate way of explaining what I thought, autistic people have trouble communicating right? | ||
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Moop
Sweden50 Posts
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
That said, I do find it a bit distasteful, so I don't do it myself (except when I'm being facetious), but it just doesn't bother me enough to get mad about it. | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:28 choboPEon wrote: all of you who are saying that the gaming meaning of rape has no connection the sexual assault rape are intentionally deluding yourself so that you don't have to go through the massive inconvenience of altering your behavior slightly The word rape has multiple definitions, so you could say that it has a connection (which is does, in the fact that its the same word, but thats it). However, since we are using a completely different context that people should be aware of (if you take 2 seconds to look at said context instead of flipping out/getting hurt first), i dont see how it could terribly offend people. I'm not using the word incorrectly, someone else is interpreting the word I used incorrectly, hurting them-self. If i used the word wrecked in a sentenced and someone was just in a terrible car accident, would he have the right to be offended based on what i said? What about the use of the word slaughter in the presence of a jew who had parents or grand parents who died in WW2? You cannot say that we are continuing to offend people with this word is we know what context to use it in and the person being offended cannot see that we use it that way. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4757 Posts
At least your post made me think about this issue, and if rape implies specifically nothing else but a sexual act, I can see myself trying to stop using it. I just can hardly believe that the word has only this specific meaning (but I actually don't think I use it much at all). | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
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StarStruck
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slimdagger
United States84 Posts
Unfortunately rape does not simply mean rape. –verb (used with object) 6. to force to have sexual intercourse. 7. to plunder (a place); despoil. 8. to seize, take, or carry off by force. When you rape someones base then the logical application of the verb would be definition 7, to plunder or despoil. Choosing to misinterpret it with definition 6, despite it being clearly absurd when applied to a collection of buildings, is just bad english. Words in english have multiple meanings in different contexts. I guarantee that if you surveyed people and say: "Why did you just use the word rape?" in a video game context without biasing them and saying "Oh and here is a list of alternate definitions of the word" The overwhelming majority will be unable to say "Oh I meant that I was pillaging them by force". Instead they will backpedal and say, "Well I didn't literally mean that I had sex with them by force" but they will find it hard to provide an alternate explanation. Rape may have different dictionary definitions, but culturally, in the game world, rape and the common definition prevail. Just think about teabagging -- how would you try to explain that differently than the sexual implications of the action? | ||
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Zoltan
United States656 Posts
Words like "rape" and "gay," while they can be "emotionally charged" are just words like any other and their meanings change and vary in accordince with their usage. If, while playing starcraft, i "rape" somone with my reapers. It obviously means i beat them badly with my reapers, although the direct definition of "forcibly have sex with, against their will" certainly fits for what happened. Just because i say the word "rape," dosen't make rape an OK or cool thing. If I say "man that cheese is gay". I dont mean that the cheese wants to have sex with other cheeses, I mean it was lame. Now when i say that, just because gay and lame can be synonomous, dosent mean that i think homosexuals are lame. My point is that words are just that, words, and that individuals sensitivty to them should not exclude them from my vocabulary. I have gay friends, and when they are around, I'll call lame things gay, by accident. Then i look around nervously to see if they are crying/whining/looking upset. When they are, I explain to them just what i said above, and generally they are OK. If a girl is upset by somone using the word rape to describe a beating they gave somoene, and they start to cry because they are a rape victim, well that person needs some (more) therapy. Personally i love the word, "rape," especially when I'm using it to describe starcraft. Sorry OP =/. | ||
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muta_micro
United States183 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:56 SpicyCrab wrote: Gamers love rape. Okay, maybe they don't love rape. But they certainly love the word. Gamers throw this word around like it's going out of style. You headshot that guy, oh you "raped him" TLO banshee rushed some poor guy, oh "that noob got raped." And it's not just immature idiots and kids that seem so preoccupied with the word. I've heard MLG commentators almost say it. I can tell that he doesn't mean to use it, but I have even caught Day9 using the word during casts. Always with a slight hesitation and barely noticeable "oops expression" afterwards. I don't mean to call him out here, but I think it illustrates my point. When you call people on it the response is always the same, "well we're not talking about 'real' rape, it's just an expression." I want every one to understand what that word means to people. To those who have had personal experience with rape (I am not such a person btw) it brings to mind horrid memories, horrific thoughts of powerlessness; intense agony and pain. What's worse, when the word is used in passing by ignorant gamers it cheapens its meaning, it is as if you're saying, "oh this isn't a big deal at all." I knew a girl (a rape victim) who used to become enraged when my gamer friends would talk about "raping each other." And they would say "sorry, I didn't mean to; I meant to say I owned him" And she would say "It makes me really sad that that means the same thing." And we wonder why women don't want to join our communities and play us? Now I know a lot of people will think they are being clever when they reply to this thread and say "yeah I hate rape let's rape rape." Or make some other idiotic comment which only reinforces my point. Please don't be one of those idiots. Understand how it makes our community look from the outside, and how it makes gamers as a whole look to the rest of the world. We do not have to stoop so low just to have fun. So this is just an open letter to TL and really all of gaming. Stop using this word, there are many substitutes which are much less abhorrent. Please understand that rape is a real problem, a real issue, and that it is an emotionally charged word that can cause real emotional damage to those who hear. There is no justification and no excuse for the use of this word in the flippant way that it is thrown around. Just stop. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. So you want me to not use the word "rape", because it can bring awful memories to surface for people who have gone through something that awful? Nah, not a good enough reason. I truly believe that if someone is so offended by a word that they become adamant about stopping its usage, and create a thread on TL.net for that purpose, then that person (you in this case) should not procreate so as to ensure that future generations are not saddled with people that are so easily upsetted, that a word offends them. In fact I believe it is your duty to your species to not engage in sexual relations of any kind with a member of your opposite sex. PS Im going to use the word "rape" twice as much as I previously did. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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mint_julep
United States254 Posts
Rape on the other hand has been used to mean utter destruction in a non sexual way outside of gaming for a long time. Ever heard of "The Rape of Nanking"? | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:36 FabledIntegral wrote: Seems more like to me you're so sure of yourself and how every other gamer interprets something. You've done nothing but argue with people, all the while giving incorrect definitions and literally defining how people connotatively use a word. As someone said, saying +1 zealots rape zerglings has utterly zero sexual assault connection. Funny how you just changed your argument however from arguing "there's no other definition" (aka arguing for dictionary denotation) to "there's a connection with how you use the word, you're wrong and you're convincing yourself you're right, even though I've just been shown that there are many other more valid definitions. I have all knowledge of the matter." I can understand the pleading tone of the OP (while I may or may not agree), but I just can't get over your "none of you know what you're talking about" tone. so easily offended by words! get over it, i guess. i didn't just change my argument. i didn't say there was only one definition in the dictionary for rape, i said that the gaming community's use of the word is connected to the sexual assault definition. it doesn't help your cause that, when the other definitions take place (To seize and carry off by force, To plunder or pillage.) sexual rape accompanies it more often than not. the meanings are connected intimately. i get 'i don't care', i do. i don't get 'this rape is totally different'. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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RedSword
Canada53 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On August 14 2010 04:31 SolHeiM wrote: People need to understand that CONTEXT is what matters, not the word itself. The word "nigger" isn't offensive. It's the context that makes a word offensive or not offensive. Calling my black friend "mah niggah" isn't offensive to anyone, but people who don't know me may frown a little because I use the word "nigga" and that I am white. But if I were to shout "you fucking nigger piece of shit," people would go absolutely bat-shit crazy because in that context the word "nigger" is offensive. The word "cock" has two different meanings, and you are not allowed to say the word "cock" on TV or on Radio if you are referring to the male sexual organ. However, when referring to a Rooster, the word "cock" is fine. Saying that I raped some noob in a videogame isn't offensive, because it's the context that matters. I totally agree. Plus I'll stop using it when I'll see the english-speaker (i.e. United-Statesians) stop killing their own language and talking loudly & wrongly when visiting places. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:40 slimdagger wrote: I guarantee that if you surveyed people and say: "Why did you just use the word rape?" in a video game context without biasing them and saying "Oh and here is a list of alternate definitions of the word" The overwhelming majority will be unable to say "Oh I meant that I was pillaging them by force". Instead they will backpedal and say, "Well I didn't literally mean that I had sex with them by force" but they will find it hard to provide an alternate explanation. Rape may have different dictionary definitions, but culturally, in the game world, rape and the common definition prevail. Just think about teabagging -- how would you try to explain that differently than the sexual implications of the action? And what do you think the sexual version of teabagging is derived from genius?? I raped that broad I raped the land of its resources I raped that fucking newbie and bent him over hard Guess what it all comes back to? On August 14 2010 04:41 mint_julep wrote: 'Gay' and 'Faggot' as derogatory are stupid homophobic bullshit. It would be no different from calling someone a n*gg*r for cheesing etc. Rape on the other hand has been used to mean utter destruction in a non sexual way outside of gaming for a long time. Ever heard of "The Rape of Nanking"? Troll or not dude, bravo | ||
KwarK
United States44195 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:41 mint_julep wrote: 'Gay' and 'Faggot' as derogatory are stupid homophobic bullshit. It would be no different from calling someone a n*gg*r for cheesing etc. Rape on the other hand has been used to mean utter destruction in a non sexual way outside of gaming for a long time. Ever heard of "The Rape of Nanking"? Rape of Nanking is probably not a great example of using rape in a non sexual way (unless your history books were printed in Japan). | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
And please dont use the word stomped, because when I was "Lion King" when I was a child, Mufasa got stomped preeetty bad and it brings back bad memories ;((( In all seriousness, though, people get offended by everything, and to be offended by one of the meanings (it was definition 6, like someone pointed out) of a word, is simply stupid. In fact, it is incredibly stupid and childish to get offended by any word. I dont care if you are a rape victim or not, some kids get beaten up by their parents, that is just as fucked up, do you see them flip out when someone mentions "beat"? And dont come to me saying it is not the same thing, it is even worse, unless the rape victim is a child... | ||
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bombcar
United States68 Posts
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