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ScytheMan01
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States114 Posts
August 13 2010 19:33 GMT
#81
Gretorp has come up with a great solution. Just say "boppin' clowns" instead of "rapin' bitches." It gets the point across without all the bad feelings
schaefer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States23 Posts
August 13 2010 19:33 GMT
#82
Same thing with the word "retard"-- people with retardation in the family will most likely be offended. It's all about the context you use the word in. People need to be less sensitive when getting trolled over the internet.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
August 13 2010 19:33 GMT
#83
On August 14 2010 04:29 travis wrote:
prepare to be offended:

+ Show Spoiler +

i don't really care much about shocking, scaring, or offending grown ups with my words. when you grow the fuck up, and are an adult, you should be able to confront things like words without curling up into a fetal position. if words bother you so much then you have a problem that needed to be pointed out to you anyways, and it's something you need to address. callous, maybe. but true.


I think the problem is that since we were kids, we've been conditioned into believing some words were bad, and some were not. I don't know about you, but when I was about 4, I was absolutely terrified of using the words "heck" or "darn" for fear of retribution, despite those words being laughably tame in comparison to "fuck" or "shit". When you've been predisposed as a child to avoid using those words (this also applies to being taught a religion as a child, or a philosophy, or really any idea), it becomes harder to shake that foundation of thought, because you've grown up with it.

Sure, adults ideally shouldn't be offended by words, but if they TRULY believe that they're bad words because that's what they were taught as children, who's to say whether or not their negative responses are justified?
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sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
August 13 2010 19:33 GMT
#84
On August 14 2010 04:32 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 04:29 LoliKuma wrote:
On August 14 2010 04:27 Chill wrote:
On August 14 2010 04:25 hacpee wrote:
I can use whatever word I want. The last thing I want is politically correct feminists telling me what to do. So what, your feelings got hurt. Grow up, your feelings are going to get hurt many more times in life. Live with it.

I think the OP has an understanding, somewhat pleading tone. To respond with this aggressive bullshit is stupid.


Actually the OP's pleading tone turned into one of arrogance, I think it's right that people reply in kind. Anyway, gonna log on to bnet and rape some noobs


How can a simple change in language that will make the whole community look more professional be met with such resistance?

I really wish that more people would act like they would irl online, seriously grow up.



If you told abunch of mennonites to be abit less conservative to look more acceptable to the rest of the world, what would they think?

Gaming culture is culture. You don't change culture by ordering it to change. That's just going to get you a swift kick to the balls (or a swift cheek turned, I guess).
travis
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States24490 Posts
August 13 2010 19:33 GMT
#85
On August 14 2010 04:32 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 04:29 LoliKuma wrote:
On August 14 2010 04:27 Chill wrote:
On August 14 2010 04:25 hacpee wrote:
I can use whatever word I want. The last thing I want is politically correct feminists telling me what to do. So what, your feelings got hurt. Grow up, your feelings are going to get hurt many more times in life. Live with it.

I think the OP has an understanding, somewhat pleading tone. To respond with this aggressive bullshit is stupid.


Actually the OP's pleading tone turned into one of arrogance, I think it's right that people reply in kind. Anyway, gonna log on to bnet and rape some noobs


How can a simple change in language that will make the whole community look more professional be met with such resistance?


I don't think many people are actually resisting the idea that when publicly representing gaming we don't use such terms. I think what is being argued is the philosophy of it.
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hkfosho
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada213 Posts
August 13 2010 19:33 GMT
#86
Although I understand what the OP is trying to convey, I can't see this sort of stuff changing. It's embedded in our minds to think that such words are OK to use in our social endeavours.

I remember my elementary teacher getting really upset when one of our students used the word "retarded" in class, and it never really struck me as to what it truly means and how devastating it is for someone endure when taking care of mentally challenged people, which my teacher happened to experience unfortunately. But people still use it. And it's not going to change imo, because our vernacular in the social life are so familiarized and implanted in our minds that we really aren't aware of what our words mean when we talk.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
August 13 2010 19:34 GMT
#87
On August 14 2010 04:27 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 04:22 choboPEon wrote:
On August 14 2010 04:21 travis wrote:
On August 14 2010 04:17 choboPEon wrote:
This is nothing like the word niggardly being called racist because thats fucking stupid but associating the word rape with sexual assault is so completely understandable that it boggles the mind that someone would deny it.


how is that at all understandable when you're watching a sc2 cast

you have to purposely LACK understanding to not get that the word is being used differently


Because niggardly means something completely different from nigger

but rape means rape

Unfortunately rape does not simply mean rape.
–verb (used with object)
6.
to force to have sexual intercourse.
7.
to plunder (a place); despoil.
8.
to seize, take, or carry off by force.

When you rape someones base then the logical application of the verb would be definition 7, to plunder or despoil. Choosing to misinterpret it with definition 6, despite it being clearly absurd when applied to a collection of buildings, is just bad english.
Words in english have multiple meanings in different contexts.


alright this is getting contentious and, again, i know im not going to win any converts so i wont linger in this thread for too much longer.

i will respond to this, though: "Words in english have multiple meanings in different contexts." And often the meanings are connected, they do not exist in a vacuum and, again, for you to claim that when people say rape in a gaming sense that there is no connection to definition #6 seems ridiculous to me! but whatever, it's not like i shed a tear every time i read it, i'm as numb to it as most males 18-35 are.
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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 13 2010 19:34 GMT
#88
Everyone knows that the word "rape" has different meanings, and that different contexts bring out different aspects of its meanings.

Duh.

The point is that, no matter what the intended meaning, no matter what the context, those four letters put together in that order will always hurt someone, if they land on the eyes of a victim. Always.

And it's not that hard to not use the word, so why take the chance? Just be a nice person.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States39542 Posts
August 13 2010 19:34 GMT
#89
On August 14 2010 04:30 sikyon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 04:27 Chill wrote:
On August 14 2010 04:25 hacpee wrote:
I can use whatever word I want. The last thing I want is politically correct feminists telling me what to do. So what, your feelings got hurt. Grow up, your feelings are going to get hurt many more times in life. Live with it.

I think the OP has an understanding, somewhat pleading tone. To respond with this aggressive bullshit is stupid.


Show nested quote +
I am pointing out to people why they shouldn't use a certain word and I am hoping that TL is smart enough to understand why I am right (and yes, I am 100% right.)


OP seems abit full of himself, tbh.

This too.

I don't use the word but when some moralising *insert slur for irony here* tells me I can't use it because it'll offend people who don't understand and if I don't agree with him I'm an idiot then it pisses me off.
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Runsta
Profile Joined March 2008
United States161 Posts
August 13 2010 19:34 GMT
#90
My two younger brothers are both severely autistic, and I will never have a conversation with them ever. I got over the term "retard" being offensive pretty quickly. At least rape, as listed by KwarK, has other meanings and connotations other than the traditional definition.
schaefer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States23 Posts
August 13 2010 19:35 GMT
#91
It is different when you bring internet culture and phrases into real life though. Anyone with half a brain should know that saying "get raped" to someones face regardless of the situation is a touchy subject.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 13 2010 19:35 GMT
#92
So, anyone read penny-arcade lately? Start here; http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/11/

And on that note, men get raped too. My official position on this is that saying "you got raped!" when you beat someone in a game is just being colorful, like a joke, and either everything is OK to joke about, or nothing is.
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TsoBadGuy
Profile Joined April 2010
United States221 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 20:48:08
August 13 2010 19:35 GMT
#93
I think you're trying to do something great here OP. It'll never happen, but thoughtfulness should always be encouraged.

And you can say using the term 'slaughter' would upset genocide victims, and 'gay' would offend the obvious, and so on. And when you take all the negative things you say into too much consideration you become a very bland, boring person. That you're right, I call things gay all the time.

Similarly, there will be very acute situations where the word 'slaughter' could offend someone. But realistically you're not going to be around anyone like that when you're playing video games. Moreover, I agree with what you say about words taking on new meanings, and even more with how over that being sensitive enough to quit saying a word all around is going too far. It is.

The difference is, I can call a fag a fag. Homosexuals and blacks call each other derogatory terms all the time as a sign of affection. Flat out. Seldom, if ever, do you reach that point with a rape victim.

I think the OP is addressing a word that causes more quiet pain than most I can think of. It's not like the girls you possibly hang out with have had a lot of time to adjust to being raped.

And you're right, at Day9s level it is a little uncalled for, and he should cringe slightly. Day9s the best, so don't get me wrong on this front.

I'm just saying, of all the words we use, this one might be the most offensive, but if I offended some dude trying to get me to stop, I honestly wouldn't care. But if I painfully depressed someone I never met just because I had to fulfill my excitement with some fad term that'll go out of style soon enough anyway? I'd rather not.

Very thought provoking, thanks for posting :D I will try to stop.
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NukeTheBunnys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1004 Posts
August 13 2010 19:35 GMT
#94
I'm some what divided on this issue, as I can see both sides of the issue. I do believe that casters are going to have to avoid saying "rape" just like they are going to have to avoid cursing to keep their sponsors happy and the people paying the money have the final say. For the community in general I will stick with my hatred of PC and say that if you are offended by it you are gonna need to get some thicker skin (except for poor ned, who has skin that's three inches thick.)

Its not even as if we redefined rape to mean something else, the gamer community is actually using its oldest definition, it didn't have anything to do with women till ~80 years after it first meant "an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation" I think its exactly like the word niggardly, which meant cheep/miserly 200 years before it had anything to do with being black, and that banning its use would have more of a detrimental effect then anything.
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AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
August 13 2010 19:36 GMT
#95
asian games tend to have rape scenes in it

just throwing it here.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9231 Posts
August 13 2010 19:36 GMT
#96
On August 14 2010 04:28 choboPEon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 04:26 travis wrote:
On August 14 2010 04:22 choboPEon wrote:
On August 14 2010 04:21 travis wrote:
On August 14 2010 04:17 choboPEon wrote:
This is nothing like the word niggardly being called racist because thats fucking stupid but associating the word rape with sexual assault is so completely understandable that it boggles the mind that someone would deny it.


how is that at all understandable when you're watching a sc2 cast

you have to purposely LACK understanding to not get that the word is being used differently


Because niggardly means something completely different from nigger

but rape means rape


and rape has more than one meaning...
that's the entire point of what we are talking about


all of you who are saying that the gaming meaning of rape has no connection the sexual assault rape are intentionally deluding yourself so that you don't have to go through the massive inconvenience of altering your behavior slightly


Seems more like to me you're so sure of yourself and how every other gamer interprets something. You've done nothing but argue with people, all the while giving incorrect definitions and literally defining how people connotatively use a word.

As someone said, saying +1 zealots rape zerglings has utterly zero sexual assault connection.

Funny how you just changed your argument however from arguing "there's no other definition" (aka arguing for dictionary denotation) to "there's a connection with how you use the word, you're wrong and you're convincing yourself you're right, even though I've just been shown that there are many other more valid definitions. I have all knowledge of the matter."

I can understand the pleading tone of the OP (while I may or may not agree), but I just can't get over your "none of you know what you're talking about" tone.
SpicyCrab
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 19:39:58
August 13 2010 19:36 GMT
#97
I really am not full of myself. I am just passionate on this issue and I am confident that I am right.

Some of you seem very confident that you are "correct" that rape "should be used" or perhaps that it's "not a big deal to use it"

You are wrong. Sorry.

The very unlikely hypothetical that talking about "murder" is going to offend a murder victim is not even remotely analagous to the very likely and entirely non-hypothetical notion that trivializing the word "rape" by throwing it around constantly could offend or hurt a rape victim.
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holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
August 13 2010 19:36 GMT
#98
On August 14 2010 04:36 AyJay wrote:
asian games tend to have rape scenes in it

just throwing it here.


Right and those Asian (Japanese) games are messed up. Don't you agree with that?
schaefer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States23 Posts
August 13 2010 19:36 GMT
#99
On August 14 2010 04:33 Aeres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 04:29 travis wrote:
prepare to be offended:

+ Show Spoiler +

i don't really care much about shocking, scaring, or offending grown ups with my words. when you grow the fuck up, and are an adult, you should be able to confront things like words without curling up into a fetal position. if words bother you so much then you have a problem that needed to be pointed out to you anyways, and it's something you need to address. callous, maybe. but true.


I think the problem is that since we were kids, we've been conditioned into believing some words were bad, and some were not. I don't know about you, but when I was about 4, I was absolutely terrified of using the words "heck" or "darn" for fear of retribution, despite those words being laughably tame in comparison to "fuck" or "shit". When you've been predisposed as a child to avoid using those words (this also applies to being taught a religion as a child, or a philosophy, or really any idea), it becomes harder to shake that foundation of thought, because you've grown up with it.

Sure, adults ideally shouldn't be offended by words, but if they TRULY believe that they're bad words because that's what they were taught as children, who's to say whether or not their negative responses are justified?


"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me." I'll take a gander and assume that most kids have heard that expression before. :|
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11230 Posts
August 13 2010 19:37 GMT
#100
As an appeal to check your own vocabulary and remove the potentially offensive terms, I really like the OP. As a debate about semantics: been there, done that, nothing new.
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