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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25011 Posts
August 13 2010 19:08 GMT
#21
This is something we used to get away with because the SC community was tiny. Now that real sponsors watch casts and read news updates its going to slowly die because its terrible publicity for what we do.
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Chancho
Profile Joined July 2007
United States50 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 19:09:25
August 13 2010 19:08 GMT
#22
On August 14 2010 04:01 KwarK wrote:
He's slaughtering those zealots could be offensive to victims of genocide.

Words have meanings. In gaming to rape does not mean to sexually assault the unit or player in question. If anyone was in any way unclear about that then I can see why they might be shocked until the matter was cleared up. But I cannot understand why a word, which at this point is simply a homonym, should be banned because a tiny minority of people associate it with something other than the intended meaning.

In gaming culture rape is not an offensive word. I don't use it but this is almost as bad as people who claim the word niggardly is racist because it sounds kinda like nigger.


Yap. This is it.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape
an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.


In the OP's example, saying "I totally owned that fucker" instead of rape would be emotionally charged to anyone who has ever been enslaved (and then called a fucker). Also, in this example, the gamer is putting a bullet through someone's head lol

Maybe your lady friend is still getting through her trauma, that doesn't mean we're evil.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9231 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 19:12:26
August 13 2010 19:09 GMT
#23
Couldn't "owned" also be construed as negatively affecting people who's ancestors were slaves? That's essentially what the meaning is, "I dominated you, you're my bitch, etc." Not only slaves, but those who were kidnapped, oppressed, etc. It's just too much to worry about when it's not even being used in that manner, imo.

EDIT: Beat by the person above me.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
August 13 2010 19:10 GMT
#24
I agree that the word 'rape' itself is a very strong word that can be very offensive to many people. Rape itself is one of the most despicable acts for a human being. However, our generation and especially the gaming community takes these words out of connotation and have used it so much that it is desensitized. But I don't know if this is going to change any time soon.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2623 Posts
August 13 2010 19:10 GMT
#25
On August 14 2010 04:00 Emon_ wrote:
Here, here. Good OP with a good message. Especially the commentators and writers here on TL should refrain from using the term to set a good example. Other people can be warned - the same way as we have a pretty clean forum when it comes to proper language.


It's "hear, hear" =)

The word rape is definitely thrown around too much, but the majority of gaming will still keep using that word...
im deaf
OhJesusWOW
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom127 Posts
August 13 2010 19:10 GMT
#26
When gamers throw words like rape and fag around, it is not used literally. Gamer culture is easily the most vindictive, adolescent culture out there - that is despite the large population of intelligent people that play. While theses words (among others) hold strong emotional ties to awful acts of human indecency, the gaming community uses them in much more playful way - although, there are a-holes out there like anything.

But really though, gamers have to use strong words to talk trash and invoke anger in their opponents (if that is part of their game plan) because the only thing they are is words on a screen - sarcasm has its limitations, tone and inflection don't exist, and body language can't be seen. I know it sounds like I'm defending these words, but truthgully I don't particularly care for them. I just understand why we use them and the reality that abolishing them from the gaming world is unlikely.
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SpicyCrab
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 19:13:11
August 13 2010 19:11 GMT
#27
On August 14 2010 04:04 sikyon wrote:
IIRC western countries are democracies with laws regarding free speech.

If you don't like people saying the word rape that's your perogative and I respect that, but frankly everyone has a different opinion on everything (from swear words, racial slurs, and acts of violence). To attempt to impose your own viewpoint on a large community seems arrogant.


Free speech has nothing to do with my point whatsoever. Free speech refers to governments restricting your right to speak in a certain way. I am certainly not advocating that.

I am not asking the moderation staff to 'crack down'', and I am not asking you to be banned for your words. I am pointing out to people why they shouldn't use a certain word and I am hoping that TL is smart enough to understand why I am right (and yes, I am 100% right.)

I am asking people to be more mindful of the words they are using, that is all.

(Also note that free speech has no bearing on TL whatsoever; it is a private organization and can moderate as it sees fit although I do not expect them to moderate according to my beliefs.)

Edit: Also note, saying that "owned" is analagous to "slavery" is a stretch to say the least, saying "rape" is analagous to... "rape" is probably less of a stretch, no?

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threehundred
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada911 Posts
August 13 2010 19:11 GMT
#28
But it's alright if we say sexy ballers right?
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Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 19:16:01
August 13 2010 19:12 GMT
#29
On August 14 2010 04:04 sikyon wrote:
IIRC western countries are democracies with laws regarding free speech.

If you don't like people saying the word rape that's your perogative and I respect that, but frankly everyone has a different opinion on everything (from swear words, racial slurs, and acts of violence). To attempt to impose your own viewpoint on a large community seems arrogant.

Free speech is great for having an argument and making a point, like OP is doing. Think about what you're gonna say for 2 days and make a topic - brilliant. But using a term that has such a negative meaning, and defending it with free speech isn't the same thing. It's mean and immature. People are being hurt by the usage of the term, and it sends a negative signals about the community. Though we can't change it everywhere, we can at least make an effort here on TL.

@imBLIND - thanks <3
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travis
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States24490 Posts
August 13 2010 19:12 GMT
#30
Personally I always thought "gay" or "fag" was the worst one, as it's the most personal. Like, saying that you raped someone in a game is just using the word for a different but similar meaning. Whereas calling something "gay" because you don't like it no doubt makes a gay person feel like you don't like them (unless they are understanding).

However, this generally doesn't stop me from calling things "gay", because it's other people's jobs to be understanding.
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keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 19:14:44
August 13 2010 19:13 GMT
#31
No.

Words are not the same as the action they imply. Get over it. Fearing words makes us look like a bunch of children. Use the power of your brain and context to determine what is worth complaining about. Originally, the word rape had nothing to do with sex.

I'm sick of people censoring my fucking dictionary.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
edahl
Profile Joined February 2008
Norway483 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 19:18:15
August 13 2010 19:13 GMT
#32
+1
On August 14 2010 04:13 keV. wrote:
No.

Words are not the same as the action they imply. Get over it. Fearing words makes us look like a bunch of children. Use the power of your brain and context to determine what is worth complaining about. Originally, the word rape had nothing to do with sex.

I'm sick of people censoring my fucking dictionary.

Believe it or not, real people are victims of rape. You're right, it has nothing to do with sex, but it has a lot to do with a real kind of hell. People who have been through that kind of stuff do not need to be reminded of it every time they watch a piece of StarCraft 2 broadcasting.
Height
Profile Joined May 2010
United States53 Posts
August 13 2010 19:14 GMT
#33
This exact issue came up in my head recently, so I decided not to use the word rape when gaming around women. But it's still in my vernacular when alone or just gaming with friends.
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LoliKuma
Profile Joined June 2010
United States237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 19:19:19
August 13 2010 19:14 GMT
#34
On August 14 2010 04:08 xbankx wrote:
Its too embbed to the gaming culture to be removed so its pointless.

Its like say "man dt rushes is so gay". I tried to stop but I couldn't stop using the word gay either. Everyone knows what the actual word means and what gamer definition means. Now if you got someone who is gay or who has been raped then don't use it in front of them. Also remember not to use retarded because that is a word that can affect the mentally challenged. We can keep going on. There is no end... Find this post's idea is right but pointless.


Actually retarded is the short hand way of the actual medical condition, it's only recently people started saying (Retarded Sarah Palin for example) that retarded should be regarded as "only people who are affected by this should be allow to say it". Which is pretty retarded

EDIT:
I am not asking the moderation staff to 'crack down'', and I am not asking you to be banned for your words. I am pointing out to people why they shouldn't use a certain word and I am hoping that TL is smart enough to understand why I am right (and yes, I am 100% right.)


Really 100%? That's converting your opinion in to fact, which is a pretty big fallacy that invalidates your argument. In fact by saying that, it seems more like you're trying to troll us than actually trying to convince us.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States39528 Posts
August 13 2010 19:15 GMT
#35
On August 14 2010 04:12 Emon_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 04:04 sikyon wrote:
IIRC western countries are democracies with laws regarding free speech.

If you don't like people saying the word rape that's your perogative and I respect that, but frankly everyone has a different opinion on everything (from swear words, racial slurs, and acts of violence). To attempt to impose your own viewpoint on a large community seems arrogant.

Free speech is great for having an argument and making a point, like OP is doing. Think about what you're gonna say for 2 days and make a topic - brilliant. More of this is welcome. But using a term that has such a negative meaning, and defending it with free speech isn't the same thing. It's mean and immature. People are being hurt by the usage of the term, and it sends very negative signals about the community. Though we can't change it everywhere, we can at least make an effort here on TL.

Someone somewhere is hurt by just about everything. At some point you have to draw the line and say that no offense was intended and that they need to get over their own issues. As was pointed out earlier, owning someone could be conceivably misconstrued as a mocking reference to slavery.
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SpicyCrab
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
402 Posts
August 13 2010 19:15 GMT
#36
To be clear: I am not asking any body to censor any thing, I am asking people to be more intelligent and mindful of their words.

If we decide as a community that "nigger" isn't racist any more because to 'us' it means "bad player" does that mean we get to say it whenever we want and if people get offended they should just "grow up?"

Clearly words have an extended meaning beyond what we decide they mean within OUR community. There is a world outside TL and you should understand that even WITHIN this community there are people whose lives have been touched by rape and the damage it causes.

Maybe it's time for YOU to grow up?
I'm such a baller in my dreams. - HiFriend
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
August 13 2010 19:17 GMT
#37
On August 14 2010 03:56 SpicyCrab wrote:
Gamers love rape.


I'm all for removing words like rape and faggot and have been for a while. There are so many good, colorful curse words to use that don't recall terrible things like that. But people seem quite set on raping faggots.

He's slaughtering those zealots could be offensive to victims of genocide.

Words have meanings. In gaming to rape does not mean to sexually assault the unit or player in question. If anyone was in any way unclear about that then I can see why they might be shocked until the matter was cleared up. But I cannot understand why a word, which at this point is simply a homonym, should be banned because a tiny minority of people associate it with something other than the intended meaning.

In gaming culture rape is not an offensive word. I don't use it but this is almost as bad as people who claim the word niggardly is racist because it sounds kinda like nigger.


Ridiculous first sentence. Rape is a specific, terrible act that a lot of women suffer silently from. Slaughter is something cows go through before we eat steak. In gaming, rape means to utterly and completely dominate, not unlike the sexual meaning at all.

Only tiny minority or people associate the word rape with sexual assault? Come on, man. Come the fuck on.

This is nothing like the word niggardly being called racist because thats fucking stupid but associating the word rape with sexual assault is so completely understandable that it boggles the mind that someone would deny it.
:O
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 19:17:58
August 13 2010 19:17 GMT
#38
I know the OP has good intentions, but as others such as Kwark,Chancho and Kev have pointed out, he is just wrong. Just because someone has an uneducated view of what the word rape means, doesnt mean I should restrict my vocabulary to not offend that person.
Jameser
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden951 Posts
August 13 2010 19:17 GMT
#39
On August 14 2010 04:03 neohero9 wrote:...
I understand where you're coming from. I have a handful of female friends who have been raped, and the word is a very sensitive word to them....

where the fuck do you live...
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States39528 Posts
August 13 2010 19:18 GMT
#40
On August 14 2010 04:15 SpicyCrab wrote:
To be clear: I am not asking any body to censor any thing, I am asking people to be more intelligent and mindful of their words.

If we decide as a community that "nigger" isn't racist any more because to 'us' it means "bad player" does that mean we get to say it whenever we want and if people get offended they should just "grow up?"

Clearly words have an extended meaning beyond what we decide they mean within OUR community. There is a world outside TL and you should understand that even WITHIN this community there are people whose lives have been touched by rape and the damage it causes.

Maybe it's time for YOU to grow up?

Your argument is that we should censor our language so people who don't understand it might not be victims of their own ignorance?
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