EPT"Rape" and Game Culture - Page 2
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Chancho
United States50 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:01 KwarK wrote: He's slaughtering those zealots could be offensive to victims of genocide. Words have meanings. In gaming to rape does not mean to sexually assault the unit or player in question. If anyone was in any way unclear about that then I can see why they might be shocked until the matter was cleared up. But I cannot understand why a word, which at this point is simply a homonym, should be banned because a tiny minority of people associate it with something other than the intended meaning. In gaming culture rape is not an offensive word. I don't use it but this is almost as bad as people who claim the word niggardly is racist because it sounds kinda like nigger. Yap. This is it. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside. In the OP's example, saying "I totally owned that fucker" instead of rape would be emotionally charged to anyone who has ever been enslaved (and then called a fucker). Also, in this example, the gamer is putting a bullet through someone's head lol Maybe your lady friend is still getting through her trauma, that doesn't mean we're evil. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
EDIT: Beat by the person above me. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:00 Emon_ wrote: Here, here. Good OP with a good message. Especially the commentators and writers here on TL should refrain from using the term to set a good example. Other people can be warned - the same way as we have a pretty clean forum when it comes to proper language. It's "hear, hear" =) The word rape is definitely thrown around too much, but the majority of gaming will still keep using that word... | ||
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OhJesusWOW
United Kingdom127 Posts
But really though, gamers have to use strong words to talk trash and invoke anger in their opponents (if that is part of their game plan) because the only thing they are is words on a screen - sarcasm has its limitations, tone and inflection don't exist, and body language can't be seen. I know it sounds like I'm defending these words, but truthgully I don't particularly care for them. I just understand why we use them and the reality that abolishing them from the gaming world is unlikely. | ||
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SpicyCrab
402 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:04 sikyon wrote: IIRC western countries are democracies with laws regarding free speech. If you don't like people saying the word rape that's your perogative and I respect that, but frankly everyone has a different opinion on everything (from swear words, racial slurs, and acts of violence). To attempt to impose your own viewpoint on a large community seems arrogant. Free speech has nothing to do with my point whatsoever. Free speech refers to governments restricting your right to speak in a certain way. I am certainly not advocating that. I am not asking the moderation staff to 'crack down'', and I am not asking you to be banned for your words. I am pointing out to people why they shouldn't use a certain word and I am hoping that TL is smart enough to understand why I am right (and yes, I am 100% right.) I am asking people to be more mindful of the words they are using, that is all. (Also note that free speech has no bearing on TL whatsoever; it is a private organization and can moderate as it sees fit although I do not expect them to moderate according to my beliefs.) Edit: Also note, saying that "owned" is analagous to "slavery" is a stretch to say the least, saying "rape" is analagous to... "rape" is probably less of a stretch, no? | ||
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threehundred
Canada911 Posts
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Emon_
3925 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:04 sikyon wrote: IIRC western countries are democracies with laws regarding free speech. If you don't like people saying the word rape that's your perogative and I respect that, but frankly everyone has a different opinion on everything (from swear words, racial slurs, and acts of violence). To attempt to impose your own viewpoint on a large community seems arrogant. Free speech is great for having an argument and making a point, like OP is doing. Think about what you're gonna say for 2 days and make a topic - brilliant. But using a term that has such a negative meaning, and defending it with free speech isn't the same thing. It's mean and immature. People are being hurt by the usage of the term, and it sends a negative signals about the community. Though we can't change it everywhere, we can at least make an effort here on TL. @imBLIND - thanks <3 | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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However, this generally doesn't stop me from calling things "gay", because it's other people's jobs to be understanding. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
Words are not the same as the action they imply. Get over it. Fearing words makes us look like a bunch of children. Use the power of your brain and context to determine what is worth complaining about. Originally, the word rape had nothing to do with sex. I'm sick of people censoring my fucking dictionary. | ||
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edahl
Norway483 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:13 keV. wrote: No. Words are not the same as the action they imply. Get over it. Fearing words makes us look like a bunch of children. Use the power of your brain and context to determine what is worth complaining about. Originally, the word rape had nothing to do with sex. I'm sick of people censoring my fucking dictionary. Believe it or not, real people are victims of rape. You're right, it has nothing to do with sex, but it has a lot to do with a real kind of hell. People who have been through that kind of stuff do not need to be reminded of it every time they watch a piece of StarCraft 2 broadcasting. | ||
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Height
United States53 Posts
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LoliKuma
United States237 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:08 xbankx wrote: Its too embbed to the gaming culture to be removed so its pointless. Its like say "man dt rushes is so gay". I tried to stop but I couldn't stop using the word gay either. Everyone knows what the actual word means and what gamer definition means. Now if you got someone who is gay or who has been raped then don't use it in front of them. Also remember not to use retarded because that is a word that can affect the mentally challenged. We can keep going on. There is no end... Find this post's idea is right but pointless. Actually retarded is the short hand way of the actual medical condition, it's only recently people started saying (Retarded Sarah Palin for example) that retarded should be regarded as "only people who are affected by this should be allow to say it". Which is pretty retarded  EDIT: I am not asking the moderation staff to 'crack down'', and I am not asking you to be banned for your words. I am pointing out to people why they shouldn't use a certain word and I am hoping that TL is smart enough to understand why I am right (and yes, I am 100% right.) Really 100%? That's converting your opinion in to fact, which is a pretty big fallacy that invalidates your argument. In fact by saying that, it seems more like you're trying to troll us than actually trying to convince us. | ||
KwarK
United States42536 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:12 Emon_ wrote: Free speech is great for having an argument and making a point, like OP is doing. Think about what you're gonna say for 2 days and make a topic - brilliant. More of this is welcome. But using a term that has such a negative meaning, and defending it with free speech isn't the same thing. It's mean and immature. People are being hurt by the usage of the term, and it sends very negative signals about the community. Though we can't change it everywhere, we can at least make an effort here on TL. Someone somewhere is hurt by just about everything. At some point you have to draw the line and say that no offense was intended and that they need to get over their own issues. As was pointed out earlier, owning someone could be conceivably misconstrued as a mocking reference to slavery. | ||
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SpicyCrab
402 Posts
If we decide as a community that "nigger" isn't racist any more because to 'us' it means "bad player" does that mean we get to say it whenever we want and if people get offended they should just "grow up?" Clearly words have an extended meaning beyond what we decide they mean within OUR community. There is a world outside TL and you should understand that even WITHIN this community there are people whose lives have been touched by rape and the damage it causes. Maybe it's time for YOU to grow up? | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:56 SpicyCrab wrote: Gamers love rape. I'm all for removing words like rape and faggot and have been for a while. There are so many good, colorful curse words to use that don't recall terrible things like that. But people seem quite set on raping faggots. He's slaughtering those zealots could be offensive to victims of genocide. Words have meanings. In gaming to rape does not mean to sexually assault the unit or player in question. If anyone was in any way unclear about that then I can see why they might be shocked until the matter was cleared up. But I cannot understand why a word, which at this point is simply a homonym, should be banned because a tiny minority of people associate it with something other than the intended meaning. In gaming culture rape is not an offensive word. I don't use it but this is almost as bad as people who claim the word niggardly is racist because it sounds kinda like nigger. Ridiculous first sentence. Rape is a specific, terrible act that a lot of women suffer silently from. Slaughter is something cows go through before we eat steak. In gaming, rape means to utterly and completely dominate, not unlike the sexual meaning at all. Only tiny minority or people associate the word rape with sexual assault? Come on, man. Come the fuck on. This is nothing like the word niggardly being called racist because thats fucking stupid but associating the word rape with sexual assault is so completely understandable that it boggles the mind that someone would deny it. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:03 neohero9 wrote:... I understand where you're coming from. I have a handful of female friends who have been raped, and the word is a very sensitive word to them.... where the fuck do you live... | ||
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KwarK
United States42536 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:15 SpicyCrab wrote: To be clear: I am not asking any body to censor any thing, I am asking people to be more intelligent and mindful of their words. If we decide as a community that "nigger" isn't racist any more because to 'us' it means "bad player" does that mean we get to say it whenever we want and if people get offended they should just "grow up?" Clearly words have an extended meaning beyond what we decide they mean within OUR community. There is a world outside TL and you should understand that even WITHIN this community there are people whose lives have been touched by rape and the damage it causes. Maybe it's time for YOU to grow up? Your argument is that we should censor our language so people who don't understand it might not be victims of their own ignorance? | ||
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