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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
When someone suggests that we maybe should stop using a word that to everyone outside of our little sub culture means sexual abuse to describe winning over someone in a video game people calls him an arrogant idiot -.-;; I would say that if people want esports to be taken seriously by sponsors and a wider audience then they have to start acting (and talking) like grown ups. Cutting words like "rape" and "faggot" from official casts is an excellent start in my oppinion. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
Oh and also I can't believe no one has posted this legendary thread yet. So mean but hilarious at the same time. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
George Carlin and many other comedians have been censored over and over for "joking" about things which offended others. The problem is, you'll always offend someone unless you stick in the oftentimes boring "politically correct" type of humor. Why is it bad to crack a joke about whatever classification of people. I'm not saying that "I raped your tank" is a form of humor, but I don't understand why the use of rape is offensive whereas "I killed your tank" is fine. What if I play some game and I cast as spell on you which makes you run slower for 10 seconds and then you're "crippled". Doesn't that make light on the situations of cripples? I mean sure it sounds absurd but I don't know that we should cut words from our vocabulary because it makes some close minded people sad. My gf's sister had it happen to her, my gf almost had it happen to her, yet she "rapes" people on xbox all the time. | ||
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Chancho
United States50 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:36 SpicyCrab wrote: I really am not full of myself. I am just passionate on this issue and I am confident that I am right. Some of you seem very confident that you are "correct" that rape "should be used" or perhaps that it's "not a big deal to use it" You are wrong. Sorry. The very unlikely hypothetical that talking about "murder" is going to offend a murder victim is not even remotely analagous to the very likely and entirely non-hypothetical notion that trivializing the word "rape" by throwing it around constantly could offend or hurt a rape victim. Bro, what about owned? You never addressed what we should use because people, formerly victims of slavery, might feel. What about people who have been in a war zone, and actually have killed people or been shot at? Why should we continue to simulate MURDER? This thread is dumb. Your girl friend has been traumatized and clearly has emotional issues. Of COURSE the word RAPE is going to make her freak out a bit. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE BAD. You suggested we should be more intellectual or whatever about our word choice, why don't you learn about the other meanings for the word rape? I assume this is the text you are responding two with the last sentence. How can you expect us to looking at our language, when you won't look at yours? On top of it, you expect us to listen to you, when you aren't listening to us. Asking us to censor the word RAPE instead of OWN in a game where players MURDER each other is hypocritical. So is everything else you've posted in this thread. | ||
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neohero9
United States595 Posts
It's not "something bad that happened to them". Being punched in the face in a barfight is something bad; dropping a hammer on your toe is something bad. Having someone forcefully shove their cock inside of you AGAINST YOUR WILL is beyond "something bad". | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
From now on, dont say: -Die -Kill -Own -Suffer -Explode --and the list goes on. Hilarious. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:43 Mortician wrote: it was definition 6, like someone pointed out) of a word, is simply stupid. look up the word rape and tell me sexual assault is definition #6 ;p | ||
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Crushgroove
United States793 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:01 KwarK wrote: He's slaughtering those zealots could be offensive to victims of genocide. Words have meanings. In gaming to rape does not mean to sexually assault the unit or player in question. If anyone was in any way unclear about that then I can see why they might be shocked until the matter was cleared up. But I cannot understand why a word, which at this point is simply a homonym, should be banned because a tiny minority of people associate it with something other than the intended meaning. In gaming culture rape is not an offensive word. I don't use it but this is almost as bad as people who claim the word niggardly is racist because it sounds kinda like nigger. Seconded. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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neohero9
United States595 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:45 Slow Motion wrote: It's an interesting utilitarian. Millions of gamers will be slightly hurt by forcing themselves not to say "rape." A few gamers will be very hurt when they hear the word rape. In the total aggregate, the greatest pleasure comes from people freely using the word as we do now. However, if we want to maximize average pleasure we should censor ourselves. Oh and also I can't believe no one has posted this legendary thread yet. So mean but hilarious at the same time. No. The greatest pleasure comes from changing it. See my post on Page 3. Degree matters. | ||
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zephyredx
United States40 Posts
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
The point of "pillaging and burning" is to show that every word has different contexts and even if some contexts are not written in dictionaries they do exist. Language is a constantly changing and evloving creature and if you can't understand a word in a new context or usage that's your own fault. It might be a reasonable fault (ie you were actually raped) but it is still a problem you have to deal with, not us. You might ask us to stop using it while infront of you, which is fine. But if you ask us to stop using it point blank and forever, that extends beyond the bounds of courtesy and into the realm of self-delusion. | ||
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SpicyCrab
402 Posts
I can only express intense disappointment at the complete lack of maturity and understanding from this community and what makes me even more sad is that I know that TL is one of the most mature gaming communities that exists; I can only imagine what the response would be on a normal gaming forum. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:41 choboPEon wrote: so easily offended by words! get over it, i guess. i didn't just change my argument. i didn't say there was only one definition in the dictionary for rape, i said that the gaming community's use of the word is connected to the sexual assault definition. it doesn't help your cause that, when the other definitions take place (To seize and carry off by force, To plunder or pillage.) sexual rape accompanies it more often than not. the meanings are connected intimately. i get 'i don't care', i do. i don't get 'this rape is totally different'. It's not that I'm offended, I just feel like you're going way over your head making claims on how other people are interpreting things. You're originally saying, "It is because rape means rape, even in gaming." But the things is, many people don't use it to mean "rape" as you're implying in gaming. It's very clear, as said in the Zealot vs Zergling scenario, that isn't what is being implied. Rape may be used to reference sexual assault, but it isn't always, and I would argue most of the time isn't. You're claims of people deluding themselves just comes off to me as a "I'm done arguing with you all, my points are clearly superior, you're just ignoring my points." | ||
KwarK
United States41938 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:46 neohero9 wrote: The amount of resistance to changing a single word in one's vocabulary to one which doesn't make people weep hysterically because of trauma, BECAUSE it makes people weep hysterically because of TRAUMA, is amazing. It's not "something bad that happened to them". Being punched in the face in a barfight is something bad; dropping a hammer on your toe is something bad. Having someone forcefully shove their cock inside of you AGAINST YOUR WILL is beyond "something bad". If badness is the measuring stick used, not context, then beat is just as bad. Beaten wives, physical child abuse, the world is full of people scarred (both physically and emotionally) from being beaten. Of course in a gaming context it means something completely different to beat someone but we're disregarding context here. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:29 travis wrote: prepare to be offended: + Show Spoiler + i don't really care much about shocking, scaring, or offending grown ups with my words. when you grow the fuck up, and are an adult, you should be able to confront things like words without curling up into a fetal position. if words bother you so much then you have a problem that needed to be pointed out to you anyways, and it's something you need to address. callous, maybe. but true. this is generally my approach. like, in places like forums and when i can just be honest with people. of course there are times for politeness and respect(though generally i can take an approach somewhere inbetween). but when im playing a game, for example, i'd rather just be honest and straightforward - not pandering to other people's flaws. Nice post travis, but there is one thing that bothers me with the last part. Considering folks hide behind a screen on the internet, I find it very dishonest/disconnected at the same time. You can practically say anything you want without any ramifications. Online persona's tend to be very different from face-to-face in general. I hate generalizations. I like your style though because I'm very similar. | ||
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
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KwarK
United States41938 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:46 choboPEon wrote: look up the word rape and tell me sexual assault is definition #6 ;p The first 5 referred to it as a noun. Raping a unit or a player is a verb which was definitions 6-8 I believe. | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:45 KlaCkoN wrote: When someone suggested that pro gamers interviewed on TV should make an effort to shave, shower and put on clean clothes before hand in order to make esports look more proffesional to outsiders the majority thought it was an excellent idea. When someone suggests that we maybe should stop using a word that to everyone outside of our little sub culture means sexual abuse to describe winning over someone in a video game people calls him an arrogant idiot -.-;; I would say that if people want esports to be taken seriously by sponsors and a wider audience then they have to start acting (and talking) like grown ups. Cutting words like "rape" and "faggot" from official casts is an excellent start in my oppinion. Did that person ask EVERYONE to shave, shower and put on clean cloathes ever time they hopped on the internet? I would of course support progamers not using the word rape in public, but that doesn't mean I support putting pressure on everyone to do so. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:48 SpicyCrab wrote: For all of the people who insist that this is not a big deal, I implore you to go to a real rape victim and explain to them why it's a really cool word to use and trivialize and why they should just get over it. The impetus should be on them to "Get over it" right? I mean it's their fault after all. I can only express intense disappointment at the complete lack of maturity and understanding from this community and what makes me even more sad is that I know that TL is one of the most mature gaming communities that exists; I can only imagine what the response would be on a normal gaming forum. Is there something you are trying to tell us? Please you can be honest. Whatever happened TL will listen and care about you  .User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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