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On July 07 2010 07:33 Tdelamay wrote:
This is a perfectly sensible way of controlling people's behaviour. This will make people think twice before posting something, and this should greatly improve Blizzard's forum reputation. If anyone is familiar with tech support forum, you'll know that most people post under their real name there.
I approve of this change. People should be held accountable for what they decide to say.
Let's say your name is Sarah Johnson instead of whatever it actually is, and you are female. You post on the b.net forums. Thousands of creepy males see your name every single time you make a post, no matter what it is. Some of them decide to start looking up your real name on the internet. They get your facebook profile and spam it, they find your phone number and start calling/texting it, they find your address, all simply because you are a female on the internet.
But nah that's not a problem. Sarah Johnson deserved it for being a girl.
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From the Blizzard forums. Absolute gold: You guys I got it all figured out...
Blizz is just RPing as the oppressive government from Starcraft! and in doing this they sacrificed Bashiok just like Kerrigen, and he's going to come back from the death announcing that phase 2 is open!!!!!
right guys?.........
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On July 07 2010 07:35 InfiniteIce wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:31 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Hey man, I already read about Bashoik. :D Feel free to look back earlier in the thread to see my response.  Your arguments are inconsistent and make no sense. Take responsibility or don't post. Implications that it's not ok to share school names and home addresses. Having read about Bash, and knowing that this is possible to happen to YOU, I really do not see how you are making any logical point at all. Shit poster. And I don't say that lightly. Having dealt with you in the IRC and now on the forums, it appears your are simply ignorant.. Oh, and feel free to stop double and triple posting to boost your post count all day. That's like the 5th time in 3 pages. If you would like to prove yourself, please post your real name. The internet will do the rest.
Jeez, people on the Internet are so angry.
I don't even remember going on "the IRC". :-/
My point, for the sake of clarity, is that nothing is COMPELLING "kids" (teens) to share their names, addresses, or school names. However, all of this information is possibly just as available, if they CHOOSE to post, as it would be if they were written about in the local newspaper, entered a competition somewhere, had their picture in a yearbook, or any number of other possibilities. Do ya see? This ain't even new, man. It's an Internet anomaly, sure, but it's not some gross violation of civil liberties.
Also, I have had only one "double post" in this entire thread.
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On July 07 2010 07:35 Shirolol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:
READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY.
OH MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT!! They found out he is a closet White stripes fan - god I bet he's in tears right now.. Do YOU want people to know what music you like?! OF COURSE NOT. ACT NOW, FIGHT THE CHANGE.
You're clearly not the person we fear having our personal info.
Simply because you do not have the (pick all or any that apply) balls, guts, tenacity, know-how, or sheer stupidity to do something harmful to people, does not mean that nobody does.
This is the info you should have focused on.
Address:
Phone Number:
Age:
Family:
I now know that I live less than an hour from Bash. What if I was some lunatic who wanted to harm him? (I am not, this is in no way a threat, merely a hypothetical for argument's sake.) Do you really not see the implications of this?
I hate to say it, but 9 posts, and they're all in this thread. I have a feeling you made an alt account simply to whiteknight this thread...
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On July 07 2010 07:36 baskerville wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:19 Shirolol wrote:Does anyone else feel a bit uneasy at how pathetic the entire blizzard community is acting about this whole thing? Ok, so you now know that guys name.. So you googled him (Why?), found out a bunch of pointless information about his preferences (again, why?) and then felt strongly enough about his preferences to make a blog about it and then claim that hell is opening up and we are all going to be swallowed. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you have to - in most normal situations in life people just don't really care what your favourite movie is, where you live, or even what your name is. But suddenly when the internet comes along, if anything about you personally is ever found out it's the worst thing to happen since.. I spilt some tea on my leg the other day - and it was still luke-warm tea aswell, nasty. You can find all the information you want about anyone in the world right now, without your name being shown on a forum to do with blizzard games. So what's the difference if you can see them? Fact of the matter is: Stop over reacting, step back and look at how ridiculous you are being. is it really ridiculous to try and protect people from worse things than troll rants and spams? is it ridiculous for people to ask that blizz keeps its standards for the sake of kids and adults alike... maybe you can't imagine what bad things could ensue, personally i'm not as optimistic as you are and i think the slippery slope is just beginning ...
Teamliquid has wonderfully moderated forums with very few random trolls and spammers, and we all go by pseudonyms. Don't tell me that Blizzard's paid staff of community managers can't create the same environment in their forums by being more strict about stopping spammers. At least 80% of the threads in the Beta forums were spam or stupid questions that anyone could've found answers to by using google. If they weren't afraid of punishing people from their forums it wouldn't need to come to using real life names.
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On July 07 2010 07:19 ScienceRob wrote:
I can't help but feel bad for the Blizzard employee.
Um, he posted that info in a stupid and smug attempt to cow the masses. It was a literal challenge, and there's really only two options for how to respond:
1. Roll over and submit
2. Rake him over the coals
Apparently he expected response #1, but regardless his little "challenge" should never have been issued and was woefully misguided, timing-wise. It made him look arrogant and showed that whoever is in charge does not take forum-posters seriously in any way, and only a strong response like what is happening could do anything to change that perception.
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On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Edit: link for everybody's convenience, though it's been posted before. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni
I don't understand... is this sarcastic? Nothing happened to Bashiok in the link you provided.
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On July 07 2010 07:37 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Time to break out the kittens...
People already know your full name, Mike :O
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On July 07 2010 07:37 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Time to break out the kittens...
Seems to have been successful in the past. Knock 'em dead.
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I don't get it...if you want to promote responsibility on the forums, why not just ban cdkeys for violations? Make them buy another $60 copy of the game if they want to spam? How hard is that?
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On July 07 2010 07:37 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Time to break out the kittens...
Mike, I'm really not sure at all what you have to be outraged about.
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I really don't care i have nothing to hide. At least it will might help with the constant shit that is spewed all over the forums.
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On July 07 2010 07:37 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Time to break out the kittens...
Not sure if you need something cuter or more sinister this time...
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On July 07 2010 07:40 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:35 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:31 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Hey man, I already read about Bashoik. :D Feel free to look back earlier in the thread to see my response. Your arguments are inconsistent and make no sense. Take responsibility or don't post. Implications that it's not ok to share school names and home addresses. Having read about Bash, and knowing that this is possible to happen to YOU, I really do not see how you are making any logical point at all. Shit poster. And I don't say that lightly. Having dealt with you in the IRC and now on the forums, it appears your are simply ignorant.. Oh, and feel free to stop double and triple posting to boost your post count all day. That's like the 5th time in 3 pages. If you would like to prove yourself, please post your real name. The internet will do the rest. Jeez, people on the Internet are so angry. I don't even remember going on "the IRC". :-/ My point, for the sake of clarity, is that nothing is COMPELLING "kids" (teens) to share their names, addresses, or school names. However, all of this information is possibly just as available, if they CHOOSE to post, as it would be if they were written about in the local newspaper, entered a competition somewhere, had their picture in a yearbook, or any number of other possibilities. Do ya see? This ain't even new, man. It's an Internet anomaly, sure, but it's not some gross violation of civil liberties. Also, I have had only one "double post" in this entire thread.
Ok, you're right. I apologize about the double post comment.
Local newspapers: Are local.
Yearbooks: Are local.
Competitions: Are restricted to those who care about them.
The internet: hate machine. Worldwide.
You don't see the difference between newspapers and the internet? Seriously?
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On July 07 2010 07:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Edit: link for everybody's convenience, though it's been posted before. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni I don't understand... is this sarcastic? Nothing happened to Bashiok in the link you provided.
But.. But... they know his name!!!!!!!!!
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So does this include all the blizzard moderators suddenly posting under their full name, haha, no seriously.....
Not sure what they were smoking, but no way in hell this is going live. Potential abuse of private information is insane.
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On July 07 2010 07:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Edit: link for everybody's convenience, though it's been posted before. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni I don't understand... is this sarcastic? Nothing happened to Bashiok in the link you provided.
You mean besides the fact that his telephone number, address, and living condition was broadcast out to the internet?
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On July 07 2010 07:42 kajeus wrote:Mike, I'm really not sure at all what you have to be outraged about.
Mr. husky don't listen to him make the video i disagree strongly for what he says. Now if only i knew his real name...
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On July 07 2010 07:36 baskerville wrote:
is it really ridiculous to try and protect people from worse things than troll rants and spams?
is it ridiculous for people to ask that blizz keeps its standards for the sake of kids and adults alike...
maybe you can't imagine what bad things could ensue, personally i'm not as optimistic as you are and i think the slippery slope is just beginning ...
Your argument of: There will be a mass genocide because people can see other peoples names, does not work.
I can see where you are coming from BUT at the same time what is stopping me from going out right now and killing the first person I see? Nothing is, but I don't. And 99.9% of the world doesn't either.
Anyone that was going to do something like that will do it whether they can see my name in a blizzard forum or not, because they are mentally unstable. Not because one of my favourite movies is Blues Brothers.
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I want to know how many of the people in that thread concerned about their privacy have a facebook page and twitter on a regular basis. That would be an interesting statistic.
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