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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 24 2010 14:24 GMT
#1
Alright boys, I've got an interesting thing to share with you...Could be blog material but I do need help from TL and am interested in any opinions on this specific research, perhaps there could be some discussion here.

Motivation for Research:
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I've been thinking of ways to examine the validity of astrology. There is a lot of research out there that discredits astrology. I feel there is very little that in any way proves it. There are two possible reasons:

a) astrology is unprovable, because it is bullshit

b) there aren't many research-minded people who care for astrology.

Anyway, in determining whether the reason is either a) or b) I have decided to make some personal analytical research in a way that I feel satisfies the queries I have. I am not pleased with the majority of discrediting research that is out there, because it mostly attacks confirmation bias.

I have always thought that astrology makes up a part of people's personalities, but their life experiences lead them to repress some of their astrological personality and genetics create barriers against the expression of some of their astrological personality. It serves to very much muddy up the water, when someone is trying to be analytical about star signs.

I would also like to point out I do not have a particularly heavy conviction about astrology. I am doing this research to either solidify any doubts I have about it, or to reinforce any beliefs. As is the case with all good research


The first research I have done:
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I have wanted to see if there is a correlation between certain professions and certain star signs for a long time. It only occurred to me today, watching a video about Brock Lesnar, how easy it is to tell the star signs of some fighters. I therefore though, 'because fighting is such a visceral and primal thing, you either fight or you don't, there probably are some star signs which are drawn towards fighting'.

So, because I don't have all the time in the world (dissertation looming ><), I took a small sample size of Ring Magazine's '80 best boxers of the last 80 years'.


The hypothesis and rationale for it:
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Knowing something about the star signs, it would be fair to claim that the majority of (serious) fighters should be either:

Pugnacious, proud fire signs
Intractable, determined earth signs
Cancer. Because cancer is insecure and insecure people fight a lot!

So we should see a lot of:
Cancer, Capricorn, Taurus, Virgo, Aries, Leo and Sagittarius

The star signs that shouldn't be represented much are:

Water signs (like to avoid conflict) [MINUS cancer because of cancer's insecurity]
Personable, mutable Air signs (just not natural fighters- they are sociable and also not good at routine- so are bad for training)

so we should see very little:
Pisces, Scorpio, Gemini, Aquarius and Libra


Findings in bar chart:
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Analysis:
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The air signs are underrepresented. 14/80 are air signs.

The water signs, minus cancer, are the least represented. 3 for Scorpio and 2 for Pisces. Cancer, with 13, almost triples them added together.

The fire signs have a perfect distribution of 21/80.

The earth signs have a slight over-distribution of 27/80.

Also, seeing as Taurus and Cancer are the most emotional and protective star signs, they often tend to be the most violent, a lot of football hooligans are taurus and cancer; which could possibly be reflected in the fact that the most represented star signs are these two.


Conclusion for this specific research:
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Pro
This chart is not remarkably one-sided, but it is fairly interesting. I think there is something in this. Air signs are not only not conflict signs, they are the signs which like variety. To become a great boxer, one needs above all else commitment.

Con
The distribution of the graph is standard. That there is a correlation between certain groups is probably just down to coincidence.

Reflection
I need a much, much bigger sample size, but I think there is something in this.


I need your help:
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Firstly, if anyone knows of any peer-reviewed research that has been done into this exact topic, could you please inform me!

Secondly, can anyone who is interested in perhaps doing a tiny bit of research with me please PM me?

I would need you to maybe take a list of 100 greatest leaders, 100 greatest poets, 100 greatest musicians, 100 greatest inventors, 100 greatest actors or something.

I would also like someone to go further with me in fighting. I'd like a list of 100 MMA fighters and their star signs, and perhaps 'dangerous men'.

I would like to see if this sort of distribution of star signs switches according to the way it should, or completely randomly.


As an aside:
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Some interesting nuances in the data, mostly interesting to boxing fans:
It's funny how many 'archetype' star signs there are in many boxers.

Cancer is the insecure, violent, sensitive, emotional star sign:

This is the tough exoskeleton that all cancers have to protect their soft flesh.

Notable cancers: Jack Dempsey, Mike Tyson, Jake LaMotta

Capricorn is the unrelenting, ambitious, arrogant star sign:


Notable capricorns: Pernell Whitaker, Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Roy Jones Jr.

Taurus is the bull. It stands it ground and refuses to be budged, then charges you and you crumble like a cookie:


Notable taureans: Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler


And finally:
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I'm also interested to see if there's any bias towards any star sign in TL. I know there is a bias towards a specific type of Myers-Briggs personality called 'the general', which I thought was amusing given this is an RTS forum. I'm not saying that the poll would mean anything important though:


Poll: Which star sign are you?

Scorpio (8)
 
28%

Cancer (4)
 
14%

Virgo (4)
 
14%

Gemini (3)
 
10%

Sagittarius (2)
 
7%

Pisces (2)
 
7%

Taurus (2)
 
7%

Leo (1)
 
3%

Aquarius (1)
 
3%

Libra (1)
 
3%

Capricorn (1)
 
3%

Aries (0)
 
0%

29 total votes

Your vote: Which star sign are you?

(Vote): Aries
(Vote): Leo
(Vote): Sagittarius
(Vote): Cancer
(Vote): Scorpio
(Vote): Pisces
(Vote): Aquarius
(Vote): Gemini
(Vote): Libra
(Vote): Taurus
(Vote): Capricorn
(Vote): Virgo



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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36401 Posts
June 24 2010 14:38 GMT
#2
Moved to blogs.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Zoltan
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States656 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-24 14:41:16
June 24 2010 14:38 GMT
#3
I find this compleatly hillarious, but no less hilarious than any other metascience:

Im a Cancer (and a kickboxer).

So everyone born between july and august (or whatever the dates are for a cancer) are insecure? Or are do they just trend toward insecurity more than people born the other 11 months of the year? Or neither?

Its funny because of how rediculous star signs are. They are based on the time of the year you were born (correct me if im worng). So it dosent make any sense (at all) that your personalities are based on when you are born, not to mention that they give horoscopes to the entire group and says it applies to all of them.

Metasciences (like astrology and religion) realy dont have a place in the modern world of science.

A quick edit: Im not insecure about sharing my thoughts .
'HOW LONG HAVE THOSE REAPERS BEEN KILLING MY PROBES?!?!
pettter
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1032 Posts
June 24 2010 14:43 GMT
#4
Please make sure that you are aware of what you are measuring. That is, you are not measuring if astrology is 'valid', but whether it affects peoples choices and outlook on life as such. Without independent observable evidence (i.e. people who have not heard of astrology, and have not been influenced by people knowing both astrology and their sign) you can not make any sort of conclusions about whether astrology works any better than, say, an identical doctrine, but each sign being 3 months later in the year.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 24 2010 14:46 GMT
#5
Actually, the only astrology I personally give any credence to is the type that predicts how peoples' choices and outlook on life will be according to their star sign. So this sort of research is precisely for the purpose of validating that.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 24 2010 14:48 GMT
#6
On June 24 2010 23:38 Zoltan wrote:
I find this compleatly hillarious, but no less hilarious than any other metascience


Actually everything you said is fine but, in my life the evidence has pointed towards peoples' astrological personalities being very close to their actual personalities.

Research like this is to determine whether there is actually any veracity to star signs, not why the hell there is! I agree that in theory it's completely retarded but then, in theory, a lot of quantum mechanics is fairly absurd.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
June 24 2010 14:48 GMT
#7
If you want to do this properly you need to say if you came up with the hypothesis before or after looking at the data. Obviously if you tweaked your hypothesis after you looked at the data your result is meaningless (because there are so many possible hypotheses that one of them is bound to fit such a small dataset). But even if you came up with the hypothesis before seeing the data the statistical power seems to be pretty weak (i.e, random data will fit it very often)

The correct procedure now is to fix your hypothesis, look for a much bigger dataset and see if it still fits.

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Don't get your hopes up
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 24 2010 14:51 GMT
#8
Yes, did you read the 'i need your help' section?
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-24 14:52:35
June 24 2010 14:51 GMT
#9
My friend is a gemini and he's was training to be a boxer.

Never knew that thing about insecurity and cancers. Maybe that's why more than 50% of my gfs have been cancers/late geminis. And the majority of my friends are cancer as well.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
pettter
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1032 Posts
June 24 2010 14:53 GMT
#10
Well, without independent evidence you will not find anything.

Basically, if we make up a different astrology, call it 'starology' for example, and we substitute different 'sign-characterisations' for others, such that, for example Geminis now are supposed to act like Cancers, or Aquarius' as Leos.

Now, take a parallell universe, where starology is as widespread and admittedly influential as astrology. In order to show that astrology predicts, as opposed to influences, you need to show that in such a universe, Gemini would still act like the Gemini of Astrology, not like Cancers.

If you are not doing this, you are not validating astrology, you are validating the fact that humans are easily influenced by the expectations and beliefs of themselves and others.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
June 24 2010 14:53 GMT
#11
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