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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
June 04 2010 18:44 GMT
#121
plowed through 5-0 and in plat lol oh wellll
virusak
Profile Joined December 2009
Czech Republic344 Posts
June 04 2010 18:45 GMT
#122
On June 05 2010 03:40 Amber[LighT] wrote:
5-0 and in plat.. though i don't feel bad.. idras in my division too lol

with the current name system, it could be anybody
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 18:51:46
June 04 2010 18:49 GMT
#123
LOL CauthonLuck is in my plat division. It could be someone else, but at 10-0 I think it might really be him.

Though, I do wonder how exactly Blizzard will be creating diamond leagues. With what they thought was a good idea before, I can only imagine how they messed this one up.
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SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 18:51:38
June 04 2010 18:50 GMT
#124
I hope that diamond still exist. Because this new system is very good.
Now only the good players will manage to enter in diamond!

Well done Blizzard!!! (If you dont remove diamond ^_^)
I Can Fly...
Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
June 04 2010 18:55 GMT
#125
Good change if diamond is still there (99.999999999999999% it is) since even massive baddies like me were getting (or almost getting into diamond :D) and since I'd lose 10 out of 10 games against anyone good I don't see what I'm doing in their division.
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12256 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 19:01:22
June 04 2010 18:59 GMT
#126
On June 05 2010 03:02 Bibdy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2010 02:48 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On June 05 2010 02:44 Bibdy wrote:
On June 05 2010 02:31 Elite00fm wrote:
You guys are dumb, they probably just made the hidden MMR rating required for diamond a lot higher than it was previously

Your record has nothing to do with it

Your rating has nothing to do with it

Your division rank has has nothing to do with it

How well you do in your games has nothing to do with it


How is hidden MMR calculated then? Magic?


Wins, losses, and the MMR of the opponents you've faced.

EDIT: FA you'd be a good candidate for this test. Think you could mass game today and see how long it takes for you to get promoted to Diamond? =]


Well then how does rating, record and how successful you are not having anything to do with it? Its not going to be an exact science, but it'll give you a good indicator of where you stand. Its the best we've got, since we don't have those actual MMR numbers, after all.

Although, from my understand, isn't your rating directly related to your 'hidden' MMR? Isn't it basically the same thing at this point? Beat a bad opponent from a lower bracket? Gain fuckall points. Beat a good one from the same bracket? Gain a few. Beat a great one, from a higher bracket? Gain a buttload.

Hidden MMR was a concept they introduced in WoW Arena because its a team-game and they need hidden MMRs to keep an idea of player skill when they join/leave Arena teams all the time. In this game, you're always solo, so your actual MMR is going to be identical to your rating.


Your MMR is going to fluctuate much more than your actual rating. Also, MMR in WoW Arena isn't hidden anymore, that's why we can make more accurate correlations to it. We're talking about factors that directly influence your MMR, and that is wins and losses as compared to the MMR of your opponents. You could have high APM, low APM, good macro, bad macro, cheese or not cheese, none of that matters other than the outcome of the game.

On June 05 2010 03:28 Sunyveil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2010 02:48 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On June 05 2010 02:44 Bibdy wrote:
On June 05 2010 02:31 Elite00fm wrote:
You guys are dumb, they probably just made the hidden MMR rating required for diamond a lot higher than it was previously

Your record has nothing to do with it

Your rating has nothing to do with it

Your division rank has has nothing to do with it

How well you do in your games has nothing to do with it


How is hidden MMR calculated then? Magic?


Wins, losses, and the MMR of the opponents you've faced.

EDIT: FA you'd be a good candidate for this test. Think you could mass game today and see how long it takes for you to get promoted to Diamond? =]


hahaha, I"m sure there are plenty of other candidates


Yeah of course, I just chose FA because he was actively browsing the thread. But since he's not anymore, screw him!

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jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
June 04 2010 19:04 GMT
#127
whats the most games played people have seen for people at top of plat right now?
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Bob300
Profile Joined April 2010
United States505 Posts
June 04 2010 19:04 GMT
#128
On June 04 2010 22:11 FuryX wrote:
i think this method is a good move by blizz

Agreed great idea. I hated how to bottom of diamond was 5-0 0 points.
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huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
June 04 2010 19:04 GMT
#129
"We are aware of the issue that is preventing players from accessing the Diamon league. We are currently looking into this and will provide more information as it becomes available."

From some blizzard guy on the blizz forums at http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25170841321&sid=5000

So looks like it's an accident guys >_>
skating
HuHEN
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom514 Posts
June 04 2010 19:05 GMT
#130
Im pretty sure they would have said if they removed diamond, which mean thisis either the resul.t of a bug, or they have changed diamond to promotion only, yay
AnodyneSea
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Jamaica757 Posts
June 04 2010 19:08 GMT
#131
On June 05 2010 04:04 huameng wrote:
"We are aware of the issue that is preventing players from accessing the Diamon league. We are currently looking into this and will provide more information as it becomes available."

From some blizzard guy on the blizz forums at http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25170841321&sid=5000

So looks like it's an accident guys >_>


lol wow, how do they manage to break bnet every patch... really is bnet 0.2
Lost within the hope of freedom, not for control but in the light of our cause
Redder
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland40 Posts
June 04 2010 19:09 GMT
#132
On June 05 2010 04:04 huameng wrote:
"We are aware of the issue that is preventing players from accessing the Diamon league. We are currently looking into this and will provide more information as it becomes available."

From some blizzard guy on the blizz forums at http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25170841321&sid=5000

So looks like it's an accident guys >_>


Here was me starting to think Blizzard was paying attention to the community. =[

Bummer.
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TimeToPractice!
Profile Joined January 2010
United States105 Posts
June 04 2010 19:10 GMT
#133
At first I'm like "This is a good change!" knowing that going 5-0 only gets you into Platinum where you can then advance to Diamond by winning a good chunk of games after that.

25-5 should definitely get you into diamond. Even worse than that should, too (25-10 for example)

But to hear it's just a bug makes me sad. =P
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Setz3R
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States455 Posts
June 04 2010 19:11 GMT
#134
On June 05 2010 02:31 Elite00fm wrote:
You guys are dumb, they probably just made the hidden MMR rating required for diamond a lot higher than it was previously

Your record has nothing to do with it

Your rating has nothing to do with it

Your division rank has has nothing to do with it

How well you do in your games has nothing to do with it



Not sure why you have the need to call people dumb discussing a system that NO ONE outside of the Blizzard development team even COMPLETELY understands, but due to my previous experiences with several accounts and resets I've played....

-Your record does have something to do with it. If I get really streaky I used to be promoted in under 10 games. so 9-0 was good enough to get promoted. On the other hand, if I lose 1 or 2, it took another 15-20 games for me to get promoted (This is all previous experience of course, playing on several of my friend's accounts to test it as well).

-Rating is also a factor. You get more points the harder the opponent, so the higher the rating with less games played may be a sign of a stronger player (of course, this is all changed now probably).

-Correct, division rank seems to be the only thing you may have right. You could be rank 8 gold and still get promoted to plat. Though you should note your rating is doubly correlated to your rank, therefore your rank SHOULD be high if you have a high enough rating or MMR that they choose to promote you. I believe this is due to the "no division is equal" they have at blizzard. Where last patch I was rank 1 in my division with 660 rating, some Divisions had as high as 900.

-How well you do in your games is a HUGE factor I believe. I'm not sure how they are calculating it, if they are just using every bit of information to figure your MMR. I believe maybe, average unspent resources, among other things COULD be a contributing factor. I only believe this because patch 14 in several 2v2s (not tested with 1v1), I had lost 2 games with fellow diamond players during placements, and on SEVERAL occasions 3-2 placed us in diamond.


To be frank, no one knows how this new system works right now, if there is even any correlation or carry overs from the old one. It just seems that diamond is a bit more exclusive, which is what everyone was begging for anyway.

TL;DR --Be nice please. No one here knows the formulas and functionality of this ladder, and in FACT we can only speculate, but Blizzard will never tell us the full details. Knowing how something works is how people abuse something.
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ymirheim
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden300 Posts
June 04 2010 19:12 GMT
#135
On June 05 2010 04:04 huameng wrote:
"We are aware of the issue that is preventing players from accessing the Diamon league. We are currently looking into this and will provide more information as it becomes available."

From some blizzard guy on the blizz forums at http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25170841321&sid=5000

So looks like it's an accident guys >_>

Yeah, suspected as much. Any more comprehensive change would had been in the patch notes more specifically.
The only thing you should feel when you shoot someone... is the recoil
Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
June 04 2010 19:12 GMT
#136
-.- Here I am thinking blizzard is making improvements to the ladder system and actually listening to what we say by making an elite league when they really just screwed up...really disappointing *sigh*
Jaedong :D
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12256 Posts
June 04 2010 19:14 GMT
#137
On June 05 2010 04:09 Redder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2010 04:04 huameng wrote:
"We are aware of the issue that is preventing players from accessing the Diamon league. We are currently looking into this and will provide more information as it becomes available."

From some blizzard guy on the blizz forums at http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25170841321&sid=5000

So looks like it's an accident guys >_>


Here was me starting to think Blizzard was paying attention to the community. =[

Bummer.


Well, not entirely. That's a pretty vague statement. It's still possible that you can't place directly into Diamond, but that promotions into Diamond are what's bugged. We'll have to see how this develops.
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Redder
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland40 Posts
June 04 2010 19:17 GMT
#138
On June 05 2010 04:14 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2010 04:09 Redder wrote:
On June 05 2010 04:04 huameng wrote:
"We are aware of the issue that is preventing players from accessing the Diamon league. We are currently looking into this and will provide more information as it becomes available."

From some blizzard guy on the blizz forums at http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25170841321&sid=5000

So looks like it's an accident guys >_>


Here was me starting to think Blizzard was paying attention to the community. =[

Bummer.


Well, not entirely. That's a pretty vague statement. It's still possible that you can't place directly into Diamond, but that promotions into Diamond are what's bugged. We'll have to see how this develops.


I'm hoping you're right, would be nice if being in diamond actually meant something, even if it meant I wouldn't get into it. =P
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 19:19:44
June 04 2010 19:18 GMT
#139
On June 05 2010 04:12 Neverhood wrote:
-.- Here I am thinking blizzard is making improvements to the ladder system and actually listening to what we say by making an elite league when they really just screwed up...really disappointing *sigh*

I agree. I was hoping it'd be something like a week of gaming for a good player to be promoted from Platinum to Diamond. In my opinion, make Diamond .1% of the population and put everyone in Diamond in one Division. Every competitive player would love that (even if they don't make it into Diamond -- it'd be a meaningful goal) and every person interested in competitive gaming would love it too. And what's the drawback for everyone else? I don't see one.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
spritzz
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada331 Posts
June 04 2010 19:19 GMT
#140
5-0 and my partner and I placed in gold.

We weren't that good and our opponents sure are worse than us.

So I guess it's not straight records..
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