Where is diamond league?

On June 04 2010 22:14 Taurent wrote:
? I went 5-0 in placement matches and was put into diamond

On June 04 2010 22:39 Snowfield wrote:
i got 4-1 (gg TvT) and got to gold, i was like, fuuuuuuuuuuuu

On June 04 2010 22:45 Kerotan89 wrote:
Wow.. I spent hours the past two days to push into diamond, and finnaly getting it I go on the forums and discover theres going to be a reset the next day -.-

Jeeze, now I lost one placement match cause of some lucky cheese and I get put in gold. Placement matches are screwed.. im defintly not a gold level player.

On June 04 2010 22:45 Kerotan89 wrote:
Wow.. I spent hours the past two days to push into diamond, and finnaly getting it I go on the forums and discover theres going to be a reset the next day -.-

Jeeze, now I lost one placement match cause of some lucky cheese and I get put in gold. Placement matches are screwed.. im defintly not a gold level player.

On June 04 2010 22:45 Kerotan89 wrote:
Wow.. I spent hours the past two days to push into diamond, and finnaly getting it I go on the forums and discover theres going to be a reset the next day -.-

Jeeze, now I lost one placement match cause of some lucky cheese and I get put in gold. Placement matches are screwed.. im defintly not a gold level player.

On June 04 2010 22:56 Drazzzt wrote:
Ah! Finally!
That's great. Finally it seems that diamond means diamond now.
Since diamond was introduced half the ppl I played in diamond didn't belong there to be honest...
And the platinum ranks were an absolute joke. Sorry, but true.
I hope that they are not only assessing the 5 placement matches, but also APM, average ressources spent, etc. pp. and that they choose the opponents during placement much more carefully.

Thanks blizzard.

On June 04 2010 23:01 Go0g3n wrote:
You don't really need Diamond or more leagues, just set higher standards to get into top ones. Having 50-60% iCCup players between C- and C+ didn't hurt anybody.

On June 04 2010 23:03 Hider wrote:


Yes getting rewarded for spamming alot, and getting punished by playing 200/200 armyies, in which you cant get spent ressources. Andf getting punished by having good strategy vs micro. That would just be stupid. Wins are the only things that should matter.

On June 04 2010 23:07 Drazzzt wrote:


IMO you are wrong. Of course, you would have to consider only non 200/200 times, but only wins does only work with 10+ placement matches and a very careful choice of the opponents. Winning should of corse be the primary factor.

On June 04 2010 23:16 kar1181 wrote:
Does anyone know if Diamond still, truly, exists?

To be honest I never quite liked the 'diamond' name so I wont lose much sleep if it's gone. It would be cool to have some sort of invite only top tier league though from the best of the best at platinum level.

On June 04 2010 23:10 ichimarugin680 wrote:
I don't think it matters if u are really good ur skills will show it regardless of leagues

On June 04 2010 23:21 Cheebah wrote:
How needy does someone have to be to actually care this much about the league he's in? especially during the BETA and with a ladder reset every week...

As long as you get to play against opponents on the same level as yours, you should be happy -.-

On June 04 2010 23:20 ymirheim wrote:
I am really curious if this is a bug or a mistake or if they actually listened to the many requests for a more difficult process to get into diamond. I hope it is the latter but it seems that it would had been in the patch notes if it was the case.

How needy does someone have to be to actually care this much about the league he's in? especially during the BETA and with a ladder reset every week...

As long as you get to play against opponents on the same level as yours, you should be happy -.-

On June 04 2010 23:29 PaddyPower wrote:
what i fail to understand is.. how people fail to see .. if you are a good player you will end up in the league your supposed to be in, i started in copper never played rts to even a "standard" level as when starcraft 1 came out i was a 10 year old white kid living in england so i didnt get "into" it
and just worked my way into diamond, and i will continue to do the same,
And as ichimarguin said, league means what?? at the end of the day its down to your Actual skilllevel

On June 04 2010 23:03 Drazzzt wrote:

80% were D- to D+...lol

On June 04 2010 23:23 Cheebah wrote:


Seriously?

General
* Improved the system that handles initial placement and promotion/relegation between Leagues & Ladders.

On June 04 2010 22:39 Snowfield wrote:
i got 4-1 (gg TvT) and got to gold, i was like, fuuuuuuuuuuuu

On June 05 2010 01:31 xal wrote:
Don't forget, it takes 100 people doing well to cut a new diamond league, not just one person. Battle.net doesn't create a new league until it has enough people to populate it.

Also there may be a cliff of some sort. Meaning that diamond promotions won't happen until you have at least 1000 points. This would help keep experienced sc1 people with great mechanics and macro out who are not yet familiar with all the unit dynamics.

On June 05 2010 01:31 xal wrote:
Don't forget, it takes 100 people doing well to cut a new diamond league, not just one person. Battle.net doesn't create a new league until it has enough people to populate it.

Also there may be a cliff of some sort. Meaning that diamond promotions won't happen until you have at least 1000 points. This would help keep experienced sc1 people with great mechanics and macro out who are not yet familiar with all the unit dynamics.

On June 05 2010 00:13 ymirheim wrote:

Think a few steps further though.

The patch notes states that they have refined the initial placement. It does NOT say specifically that you can no longer get placed in diamond through placement matches, and furthermore it does NOT state that it is now significantly harder to move into diamond.

It is just as likely that whatever refinements they did to the placement system caused a bug where you can't get placed in diamond. I hope that it is intentional though.

On June 05 2010 00:13 ymirheim wrote:

Think a few steps further though.

The patch notes states that they have refined the initial placement. It does NOT say specifically that you can no longer get placed in diamond through placement matches, and furthermore it does NOT state that it is now significantly harder to move into diamond.

It is just as likely that whatever refinements they did to the placement system caused a bug where you can't get placed in diamond. I hope that it is intentional though.

On June 05 2010 01:44 BlueSorc wrote:
Just because you see 6 people in a newly created league doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't 94 other people who are going to step in after they play their next game.

I assume it works by establishing a hundred people statistically ready to cope with diamond, and then, as those hundred play thier next game, win or lose, they then end up being added.

On June 04 2010 22:39 Snowfield wrote:
i got 4-1 (gg TvT) and got to gold, i was like, fuuuuuuuuuuuu

On June 05 2010 01:53 fantomex wrote:
Now that thats answered...

Where are all the tournaments? Is bnet2 seriously not going to have tournaments running 24/7 on release? Have they even tested tournaments in beta?

On June 05 2010 01:49 Diminotoor wrote:
To all the morons thanking Blizzard for this "much needed change", there is 0 proof that diamond exists at all anymore. They may have just removed it altogether. Wait until someone can show us what rec requirement they passed to get in.

On June 05 2010 01:49 Diminotoor wrote:
To all the morons thanking Blizzard for this "much needed change", there is 0 proof that diamond exists at all anymore. They may have just removed it altogether. Wait until someone can show us what rec requirement they passed to get in.

On June 05 2010 01:57 allowicious wrote:
Under the help screen, it still shows the diamond league as one of the 5 leagues. Plus, if they did remove diamond, then they must have added another league below bronze in order to compensate, which I don't think they did. Like everyone else is saying, they just made it more difficult to get into diamond - a much needed change in my opinion.

On June 05 2010 01:58 biology]major wrote:
they should reduce the number of platinum divisions and just make it such that top 2-3 players from each plat div gets into diamond. Pretty much a legit pro league.

On June 05 2010 02:21 Nerchio wrote:
349 points 20-3 record and platinum, but not suprised actually because it will need probably about ~1k points

On June 05 2010 02:26 virusak wrote:


may be that case, but why would blizz implement this idea now, it will be insanely hard to get 1000 points in 3 days, wouldn't it not?

On June 05 2010 02:21 Nerchio wrote:
349 points 20-3 record and platinum, but not suprised actually because it will need probably about ~1k points

On June 05 2010 02:13 jamesr12 wrote:
maybe diamond is just one divsion ??? its possible

On June 05 2010 02:31 Elite00fm wrote:
You guys are dumb, they probably just made the hidden MMR rating required for diamond a lot higher than it was previously

Your record has nothing to do with it

Your rating has nothing to do with it

Your division rank has has nothing to do with it

How well you do in your games has nothing to do with it

On June 05 2010 02:32 Fivyrn wrote:
Well I am at work so I don't have a screenshot and I believe I did the placement matches in patch 13 (there wasn't a reset on patch 14 correct?) but I went 4-1 and made diamond.

The one loss was against someone I totally destroyed but then DC'ed before he quit... so at least in patch 13 it was still pretty easy to get into diamond, only one or two of my placement game opponents seemed like they were any good (and I'm not amazing either).

On June 05 2010 02:44 Bibdy wrote:


How is hidden MMR calculated then? Magic?

On June 05 2010 02:48 Excalibur_Z wrote:


Wins, losses, and the MMR of the opponents you've faced.

EDIT: FA you'd be a good candidate for this test. Think you could mass game today and see how long it takes for you to get promoted to Diamond? =]

On June 05 2010 02:48 Excalibur_Z wrote:


Wins, losses, and the MMR of the opponents you've faced.

EDIT: FA you'd be a good candidate for this test. Think you could mass game today and see how long it takes for you to get promoted to Diamond? =]

On June 04 2010 22:39 Cheerio wrote:
I was top10 diamond in 1v1 2v2 and 3v3 just yesterday. Now I'm gold LOL. I dunno how they changed the placement matches but the skill level is much higher there now. Or mb just bad luck.

On June 05 2010 02:33 Thall wrote:


i hope this is true, but anyways, blizz already taking a step in the right direction by not placeing people easily into diamond league :D *thumbsup*

On June 05 2010 03:40 Amber[LighT] wrote:
5-0 and in plat.. though i don't feel bad.. idras in my division too lol

On June 05 2010 03:40 Amber[LighT] wrote:
5-0 and in plat.. though i don't feel bad.. idras in my division too lol

On June 05 2010 03:02 Bibdy wrote:


Well then how does rating, record and how successful you are not having anything to do with it? Its not going to be an exact science, but it'll give you a good indicator of where you stand. Its the best we've got, since we don't have those actual MMR numbers, after all.

Although, from my understand, isn't your rating directly related to your 'hidden' MMR? Isn't it basically the same thing at this point? Beat a bad opponent from a lower bracket? Gain fuckall points. Beat a good one from the same bracket? Gain a few. Beat a great one, from a higher bracket? Gain a buttload.

Hidden MMR was a concept they introduced in WoW Arena because its a team-game and they need hidden MMRs to keep an idea of player skill when they join/leave Arena teams all the time. In this game, you're always solo, so your actual MMR is going to be identical to your rating.

On June 05 2010 03:28 Sunyveil wrote:


hahaha, I"m sure there are plenty of other candidates

On June 04 2010 22:11 FuryX wrote:
i think this method is a good move by blizz

On June 05 2010 04:04 huameng wrote:
"We are aware of the issue that is preventing players from accessing the Diamon league. We are currently looking into this and will provide more information as it becomes available."

From some blizzard guy on the blizz forums at http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25170841321&sid=5000

So looks like it's an accident guys >_>

On June 05 2010 04:04 huameng wrote:
"We are aware of the issue that is preventing players from accessing the Diamon league. We are currently looking into this and will provide more information as it becomes available."

From some blizzard guy on the blizz forums at http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25170841321&sid=5000

So looks like it's an accident guys >_>

On June 05 2010 04:04 huameng wrote:
"We are aware of the issue that is preventing players from accessing the Diamon league. We are currently looking into this and will provide more information as it becomes available."

From some blizzard guy on the blizz forums at http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25170841321&sid=5000

So looks like it's an accident guys >_>

On June 05 2010 04:09 Redder wrote:


Here was me starting to think Blizzard was paying attention to the community. =[

Bummer.

On June 05 2010 04:14 Excalibur_Z wrote:


Well, not entirely. That's a pretty vague statement. It's still possible that you can't place directly into Diamond, but that promotions into Diamond are what's bugged. We'll have to see how this develops.

On June 05 2010 04:12 Neverhood wrote:
-.- Here I am thinking blizzard is making improvements to the ladder system and actually listening to what we say by making an elite league when they really just screwed up...really disappointing *sigh*

On June 05 2010 04:18 Liquid`NonY wrote:

I agree. I was hoping it'd be something like a week of gaming for a good player to be promoted from Platinum to Diamond. In my opinion, make Diamond .1% of the population and put everyone in Diamond in one Division. Every competitive player would love that (even if they don't make it into Diamond -- it'd be a meaningful goal) and every person interested in competitive gaming would love it too. And what's the drawback for everyone else? I don't see one.

On June 05 2010 04:39 intergalactic wrote:
I'm pretty sure the "Pro" league they intend to implement will be a single division. So no need to do that with Diamond.

On June 05 2010 04:39 intergalactic wrote:
I'm pretty sure the "Pro" league they intend to implement will be a single division. So no need to do that with Diamond.

At least, I hope it is the case. I mean, there can't be 100 divisions worth of Pro players...

Also, this Diamond league thing being a bug is very depressing. I was actually beginning to wonder if Blizzard was listening to us.

On June 05 2010 04:51 Holywow wrote:
I have two accounts and am in diamond in both and one I only won four of my placement matches. I think if you are matched up with tough enough oppenents during your placement you can get there. Did anyone else find it easier to get in the top league in the new match system? I used to be top gold but never platinum 1v1.

On June 05 2010 04:18 Liquid`NonY wrote:

I agree. I was hoping it'd be something like a week of gaming for a good player to be promoted from Platinum to Diamond. In my opinion, make Diamond .1% of the population and put everyone in Diamond in one Division. Every competitive player would love that (even if they don't make it into Diamond -- it'd be a meaningful goal) and every person interested in competitive gaming would love it too. And what's the drawback for everyone else? I don't see one.

On June 05 2010 04:51 Liquid`NonY wrote:

Pro will be invite-only.

The thing is that Blizzard wants to make participating in ladder meaningful. For everyone who isn't at a really high skill level, their solution is Leagues and Divisions. They've defended and explained that. I think it's fine. But for people at a high skill level, and for the fans/followers of people at a high skill level, this Leagues and Divisions system does not make ladder meaningful. Pro league will be one solution to that. But it won't completely solve it. People in the top 1,000-10,000 or so will want to know what their global ranking is. If there's 1,000,000 people playing, that's the top 0.1%-1%.

Also, I think people in Platinum/Gold/Silver/Bronze would like to know what bracket they're in, like if being the best Silver player in the system means you're better than 50% of people and worse than 50% of people, and if being the worst Silver player means you're better than 25% of people and worse than 75% of people, etc, then people would like to know those numbers. So while they can focus on ranking up in their divisions and be competitive that way, they also have an idea of their global ranking. They can have goals like being an above-average player, which means being in the top 50%, but currently there's no way to know that.

On June 05 2010 04:51 Liquid`NonY wrote:

Pro will be invite-only.

The thing is that Blizzard wants to make participating in ladder meaningful. For everyone who isn't at a really high skill level, their solution is Leagues and Divisions. They've defended and explained that. I think it's fine. But for people at a high skill level, and for the fans/followers of people at a high skill level, this Leagues and Divisions system does not make ladder meaningful. Pro league will be one solution to that. But it won't completely solve it. People in the top 1,000-10,000 or so will want to know what their global ranking is. If there's 1,000,000 people playing, that's the top 0.1%-1%.

Also, I think people in Platinum/Gold/Silver/Bronze would like to know what bracket they're in, like if being the best Silver player in the system means you're better than 50% of people and worse than 50% of people, and if being the worst Silver player means you're better than 25% of people and worse than 75% of people, etc, then people would like to know those numbers. So while they can focus on ranking up in their divisions and be competitive that way, they also have an idea of their global ranking. They can have goals like being an above-average player, which means being in the top 50%, but currently there's no way to know that.

On June 05 2010 05:07 Forlorn wrote:
So are they just going to reset the whole ladder if this is a bug? Is there a point to playing games right now?

On June 05 2010 05:06 NB wrote:


oh btw, i dont think the "pro league" will be ranked so division is something "not necessary" dont you think?

On June 05 2010 05:04 Buddhist wrote:

Completely 100% agree. I'd love to fight my way into that kind of diamond, but even if I failed, I'd be happy to know that A) The goal exists, B) Blizzard cares about the competitive community, C) I can see how players at the top match up against others.
These are also some very strong arguments. And to add to it, if the player doesn't want to see their global ranking, can't there be some option to hide it from them (default)? That way, there's truly no way for a player's feelings to be hurt unless he intentionally goes into the options to be able to see this global ranking.

Blizzard would have to listen to their player base for that, though.

On June 05 2010 05:25 billyX333 wrote:
I just saw a guy with 600 points and not upgraded to diamond yet (and a couple of 500 point players as well still in platinum)

Assuming there is an actual mark you have to reach to get promoted, 1000 points seems like the next logical conclusion since 500 doesnt get promoted.

If my random guess is right then I dont think there will be a full diamond league before beta servers go offline
even if the mark is something like ~750 points, I still don't think there will be filled league w/ 100 players

I'm really liking this concept of making diamond league something you have to achieve
Now there wont be a new division made every time ~100 players go 5-0 in easy placement matches
basically flooding the league with 50000 divisions

On June 05 2010 05:29 virusak wrote:


blzz already said its a bug