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R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
July 20 2010 02:54 GMT
#801
On July 20 2010 11:51 Lanyth wrote:
The previous Antec NEO ECO 520W I was going to buy just went out of stock for Canada. So I'm thinking of this instead http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022 . Would this be good?


Yeah that looks good.
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 03:42:06
July 20 2010 03:34 GMT
#802
http://www.guru3d.com/article/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty-gpu-graphics-performance/1
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 20 2010 03:40 GMT
#803
ATI trying to cheat and still putting out less performance
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 03:48:51
July 20 2010 03:46 GMT
#804
What's sad is it's clear Nvidia has been working on SC2 drivers, in-fact awhile back they had one during beta phase 1 clearly meant just for the beta.

So now there is a small terrain detail and the x4AA that nvidia cards get along with the stronger overall performance.

I thought ATI may be working with blizzard on drivers because with the release of 10.6 the problem of missing graphics on ati cards went away according to blizzard tech support.

The 460 is the clear winning in recommending for ultra settings in sc2 currently.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 20 2010 04:14 GMT
#805
It's why Nvidia products can generally be worth their price premium. The benefit of the drivers that enhances gaming performance, and superior SLI scaling along with more game devs working with Nvidia.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 20 2010 04:46 GMT
#806
Wow, that Fermi GPU architecture so much better than before it's is unfair. No wonder it's so much better. I'd estimated that it's about twice as efficient with its memory and compute scheduling than previous generations of GPUs.

Previous GPUs were all massive massive hammers you could throw at any graphics problem. But it didn't matter if you had a massive problem or just one tiny nail. So it was really inefficient with the odd small task that would make the GPU waste over 80% of its cycles. It's also got multi-layer caches like the CPUs and that saves on taxing the memory system.

Fermi is a step towards a physics engine and GPGPU and a large away from pure graphics acceleration, but that has to make the Fermi drivers a lot easier to program / optimize / get performance out of. Damn.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 20 2010 05:05 GMT
#807
It's no secret that GPUs have been moving towards the idea of CPUs for a long time now. The new GF104 apparently also incorporates superscalar architecture which I don't think has ever been used in a GPU before. CUDA was already a step in the direction of GPGPU and ATI Stream is going for the same idea.

Not sure what you mean by physics engine since Nvidia has been pushing their dedicated PhysX stuff for as long as anybody can remember.
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
July 20 2010 05:06 GMT
#808
it may be a very impressive gpgpu arch and has a benefit of running dx11 due to that, but it still needs to be refine and properly spun during making the chip, lower the gate leakage and die size so it competes with ATI in terms of realestate and then it has something.

The arch shows promise much more then the heavily recycled R600 which is what all ATI chips are based on past the HD2000.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 20 2010 05:10 GMT
#809
On July 20 2010 14:05 FragKrag wrote:
It's no secret that GPUs have been moving towards the idea of CPUs for a long time now. The new GF104 apparently also incorporates superscalar architecture which I don't think has ever been used in a GPU before. CUDA was already a step in the direction of GPGPU and ATI Stream is going for the same idea.

Not sure what you mean by physics engine since Nvidia has been pushing their dedicated PhysX stuff for as long as anybody can remember.


Just because they market it doesn't mean that it's any good, or even correct. If I remember correctly, they were getting answers fast but the answers could often be wrong. This time they got their math a bit more accurate, it's no longer an unreliable answer.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 05:27:14
July 20 2010 05:26 GMT
#810
On July 20 2010 14:06 semantics wrote:
it may be a very impressive gpgpu arch and has a benefit of running dx11 due to that, but it still needs to be refine and properly spun during making the chip, lower the gate leakage and die size so it competes with ATI in terms of realestate and then it has something.

The arch shows promise much more then the heavily recycled R600 which is what all ATI chips are based on past the HD2000.


That may be true, but chances are Nvidia is making more money per gpu than ATI anyways since ATI is always going to be pressured to lower prices. I never understood why Nvidia insisted on crafting these super massive GPUs. Nvidia's SLI scaling and drivers are still a level above ATI's and they could easily rely on SLI scaling to cover the high end like ATI was doing with CrossFire RV770, except much more efficiently.

GF104 is in the right direction though. 1.95 billion instead of that massive 3 billion :>. Performs amazing and we still haven't seen the full potential because TSMC sucks at 40nm ;_;

On July 20 2010 14:10 TanGeng wrote:
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On July 20 2010 14:05 FragKrag wrote:
It's no secret that GPUs have been moving towards the idea of CPUs for a long time now. The new GF104 apparently also incorporates superscalar architecture which I don't think has ever been used in a GPU before. CUDA was already a step in the direction of GPGPU and ATI Stream is going for the same idea.

Not sure what you mean by physics engine since Nvidia has been pushing their dedicated PhysX stuff for as long as anybody can remember.


Just because they market it doesn't mean that it's any good, or even correct. If I remember correctly, they were getting answers fast but the answers could often be wrong. This time they got their math a bit more accurate, it's no longer an unreliable answer.


I believe this would be a driver issue, and not an issue with the GPU itself. Unless you're referring to the double precision accuracy (which has been crippled in GF104 and GT200 had) or ECC (which GF104 lacks completely).
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51489 Posts
July 20 2010 05:33 GMT
#811
On July 19 2010 12:34 R04R wrote:
D: Why is there so much shipping. =/

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253
Although it doesn't have heatspreaders, RAM shouldn't get very hot unless you overclock them.

Gokey: It's entirely how they're manufactured. The 555 BEs originally started as 955s, but if the 955s had faulty cores they would be turned into 555s to make up the loss. If that was the only way 555s were manufactured there obviously wouldn't be enough 555s in the market. There are also some 955s that are perfectly fine but are turned into 555s.

AMD doesn't manufacture the 555 chip because that would require a completely different assembly line, so they just disable cores on the 955.


so when you buy a 555 for the purpose of trying to get the extra cores, it's basically a lottery to see whether you are able to unlock the extra cores or not?
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 20 2010 06:15 GMT
#812
yeah GTR. The cores can be disabled for any number of reasons. Out of spec voltage leaks, completely disfunctional cores, etc. I've heard of Athlon II X3s that unlock into full Phenom IIs and those seem to be the best bets since they are cheap, and if you can't unlock you get a decently powered trip core.
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
July 20 2010 09:06 GMT
#813
Yeah I got lucky and my new X3 435 unlocked into a full Phenom X4 with the 6mb L3 cache as well. No problems with it at all really, just can't OC ut very much.
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2748 Posts
July 20 2010 09:19 GMT
#814
Will this run sc2 at low on XP?

Intel® Atom™ 230 Processor
Radeon HD 4350
2 Gig intern

It's the MSI Windbox DE200 (comes with 2gig in the netherlands)
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
July 20 2010 09:55 GMT
#815
Sorry, the processor isn't fast enough. And the graphics card is a borderline playable at low.
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
July 20 2010 10:16 GMT
#816
On July 19 2010 17:40 R04R wrote:
Yup, one of my RAMs is faulty. Shame. I hope the other one doesn't crap out.

I think I have to do the RMA stuff. Damnit.


I advise you against changing to G.Skill. one of my g.skill stick got 8000 errors on memtest -_-.
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
July 20 2010 11:29 GMT
#817
is there a way to switch to AHCI mode after installing OS?
I have a customized ubuntu installed in IDE mode, got a windows 7 on SSD and I would prefer to change everything to AHCI or RAID but everytime i try to change it at BIOS, it would hang at post.

Rillanon.au
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2748 Posts
July 20 2010 12:23 GMT
#818
And with an atom 330?
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 13:10:11
July 20 2010 12:39 GMT
#819
http://forums.battle.net/search.html?forumId=25352527&stationId=5000&sid=5000&searchText=atom

barely. Do you happen to have access to only the 230 and 330 or are you looking to buy a netbook to play video games?

Edit:
Zotac GTX 465 1gb for $230 after taxes and shipping with promo code VGA465163
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500163
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 20 2010 14:03 GMT
#820
On July 20 2010 14:26 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 14:06 semantics wrote:
it may be a very impressive gpgpu arch and has a benefit of running dx11 due to that, but it still needs to be refine and properly spun during making the chip, lower the gate leakage and die size so it competes with ATI in terms of realestate and then it has something.

The arch shows promise much more then the heavily recycled R600 which is what all ATI chips are based on past the HD2000.


That may be true, but chances are Nvidia is making more money per gpu than ATI anyways since ATI is always going to be pressured to lower prices. I never understood why Nvidia insisted on crafting these super massive GPUs. Nvidia's SLI scaling and drivers are still a level above ATI's and they could easily rely on SLI scaling to cover the high end like ATI was doing with CrossFire RV770, except much more efficiently.

GF104 is in the right direction though. 1.95 billion instead of that massive 3 billion :>. Performs amazing and we still haven't seen the full potential because TSMC sucks at 40nm ;_;


I thought that the nVidia parts were too big for good yields, so it's probably not a good business for them.

The thing with ATI is that they are really good at packing in those compute engines and not so great at getting the I/O to flow well. They have the right idea in that at the higher quality levels it's more about the compute, but their parts look so much harder to program. My guess is that ATI's software is going to lag behind. If ATI spends a lot of money on software/firmware, they might burn nVidia badly on both benchmarks and visual quality.
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