EPTedit: but seriously, these guys are trolling you and they just don't want to get pawned by you in star craft.
Argument on Starcraft vs BFME2 - Page 4
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
edit: but seriously, these guys are trolling you and they just don't want to get pawned by you in star craft. | ||
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Belegorm
United States330 Posts
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wanderer
United States641 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On May 01 2010 03:14 J1.au wrote: Sounds to me like they were trolling you. This, I have BFME2 there is no military strategy involved, it's simply tech and mass up or be on the team with the bigger base and instant win. | ||
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Belegorm
United States330 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On May 01 2010 05:58 Belegorm wrote: Thing is, they're not trolling me. It seems like one guy at least seriously dislikes Starcraft, he plays it because it's the only thing that we can run on all of our computers (not to mention the seniors that only play SC, which we won't have with us next semester). wait wait.. are you trolling us? o_O... | ||
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Ambergris_sTarTer
Philippines166 Posts
On May 01 2010 05:58 Belegorm wrote: Thing is, they're not trolling me. It seems like one guy at least seriously dislikes Starcraft, he plays it because it's the only thing that we can run on all of our computers (not to mention the seniors that only play SC, which we won't have with us next semester). then stay away from him... | ||
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Uncle Leo
60 Posts
On May 01 2010 03:14 J1.au wrote: This. It was so obvious too.Sounds to me like they were trolling you. | ||
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nTooMuch
United States127 Posts
On May 01 2010 03:08 Belegorm wrote: They also claim that Starcraft isn't a game as deep (this is what really annoys me). That you basically have to end up using one or two units to really dominate the game. For example, goons with maybe zealots. Ask them to try to get to C level on Iccup using only goons and maybe zealots. Actually, let them just try to get D+ | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On May 01 2010 06:16 nTooMuch wrote: Ask them to try to get to C level on Iccup using only goons and maybe zealots. Actually, let them just try to get D+ 10/15 gate | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Belegorm
United States330 Posts
Anyway, it's a choice between an argument and a friendship, and on this tiny campus (where once again, it takes a long walk to be able to get to internet to use iccup), I'd pick the friendship. I'm really hoping he gets SC2 over the summer and likes that better (though I may have made him have a bias against the game). | ||
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Pplusad
Germany9 Posts
Would be really cool to see a list about online traffic. Only things i know: Starcraft 1 B.net ~16-20K players online all time + ~ 1-2K on Iccup Warcraft 3 TFT B.net ~ 30-45K players online all time ~ 1,5K on iccup Counterstrike Source 50-70K online on steam at all times HON Open Beta ~ 30-40K online at all times | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
1. SCBW has existed competitively for going on 12 years, and is STILL going strong even with it's sequel right around the corner. 2. Given that you play BW, just kick their asses at BFME2, proceed to explain that SC is the harder game, and then have them try that and wreck them at it. You win either way. If they say you won (at BFME) because you played faster than them, it invalidates their argument regarding macro, if not, they have to admit that SC is harder on ALL levels, making it the superior RTS. 3. "RTS never got big until BFME2 came out", Have they heard of AOE The Conquerors, DoW, CnC, or Warcraft? Obviously been living under a rock for the greater part of the late 90's and early 2000's. All of those were huge RTS games, that I still go back and play, and if they've heard of them or played them, then they've just lied regarding RTS popularity. 4. EA made the game. Case Closed. | ||
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FiBsTeR
United States415 Posts
On May 01 2010 03:08 Belegorm wrote: (BTW, the main guy is in the debate society...). Good to know that debates are just two parties throwing bullshit at each other. | ||
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mcJ
Denmark322 Posts
On May 01 2010 03:14 J1.au wrote: Sounds to me like they were trolling you. Actully i don't think they were, I've got friends who will argue that CS:S requires much more skill and strategic insight. And ofc because Starcraft is 10years+ old and have bad gfx, CS:S HAS to be a better game, right? I guess your friends just ran out of arguments and started pulling shit out the sleeves. It happens, some people just don't know when the battle is lost. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
If I asked them to reach C level they'd just say that whoever they were playing against were simply faster and thus could produce a bigger army faster. I really feel this could be a troll, because you're not really trying any of our advice it feels like. People gave you statistics on some things, such as how many people play in Russia. If you're friends are refuting obvious facts from reputable sources, they are either true morons or more likely trolling the crap out of you. Fairly easily refuted; seeing as how there are even B players that have little over 100 APM, and they can curbstomp D/D+ players with 300 APM. Even conisdering that if a D player has 300 APM he is probably spamming a good bit, this even holds fairly true at high foriegner levels or even pro-levels. Also, if it were just about getting a bigger army faster, you only need like 80-100 APM to macro perfectly if thats all you focus on. According to them you could just macro up, focusing only on that, and then go attack and win. You could also demonstrate the need for propr scouting and things like that, by triple expanding against them and the watching them roll you with their inital units; or demonstrate the importantce of knowing what to make when. You could have like 80 food in tanks, and roll some massively larger number of goons pretty easily, whereas if you changed them all to zealots the battle outcome would be decidely different. Well now first, he says that I'm not checking the Russian or German sites for stuff on Starcraft Why would you need to check Russian and German sites? They claim that Starcraft was never really that big for a long time, both to the general population and to the gaming population; that Starcraft and the RTS genre in general didn't really get big until BFME2 came out. Obvious bullshit is obvious. The pro scene for starcraft was alive and running strong well before 2006. For instance: . Yeah, that doesn't look too big to me either hundreds if not thousands of fans, professional annoucers, stages, just your average run of the mill game, no? Starcraft proscene started before 2000 I believe and become very popular around Boxer's time, which is way before 2006. If they are honestly saying this they are completely ignorant. They claimed that over 70 million people play BFME2 rise of the witch king currently, with multimillion dollar tournaments, and that 93% of Russia's population plays the game. Uh huh. More people play BFME2 than WoW, i don't think so. Not to mention, if this many people played BFME2 then you'd think it would be something most people have heard of, but it isn't. I hadn't heard of it until you posted this. I'm sorry man, but if you're friends aren't making this statistics up on the spot, which they almost have to be since they are such blatant bullshit, then they are seriously misinformed or just dumb. As a final note, if you're friends are that hung up on mechanics = skill then just explain/show them how various builds play out against players of similar mechanics. Its easy to see things like if zerg goes 3 hatch before pool and terran goes 2 rax pressure, the zerg is going to have a difficult time to say the least. If you show them games of the same skill, that eliminates the "he's faster" argument and then you can actually explain the strategy that is going on. Not to mention obvious things like the importance of flanking, sneak attacks, attacking production, high ground mechanics, etc. Strategy is starcraft is certainly there and shouldn't be that hard to explain to someone. | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
Since it is a fact that BFME2 has less depth, strategy, and overall can't compare to the skill required for SCBW, simply rape them over and over in BFME2 with your superior RTS skills. Then proceed to play SC2 without hotkeys and slower APM and beat them with it too. Verbal argument won't win any of these fanboys over. | ||
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exshingo
Philippines10 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Lol. Come on man... | ||
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