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Belegorm
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-30 18:14:58
April 30 2010 18:08 GMT
#1
I was just in a long, drawn out argument with about 5 of my friends, who were arguing that battle for middle earth ii is an a) more popular game, b) has greater depth, and c) starcraft doesn't actually count as a "strategy" game because there is no actual military strategy involved.

I know, people here will start raging (more or less like I would have if I didn't contain myself) but can you guys give me logical arguments?

They claim that Starcraft was never really that big for a long time, both to the general population and to the gaming population; that Starcraft and the RTS genre in general didn't really get big until BFME2 came out. They claimed that over 70 million people play BFME2 rise of the witch king currently, with multimillion dollar tournaments, and that 93% of Russia's population plays the game.

They also claim that Starcraft isn't a game as deep (this is what really annoys me). That you basically have to end up using one or two units to really dominate the game. For example, goons with maybe zealots. I tried arguing that the incredibly powerful heroes that can turn the entire game around in one go is a big minus for that game, but they seemed to think that it just added additional levels of strategy. Speaking of which, they seemed to think that you could use more military strategy in BFME2 and virtually none in Starcraft. Basically that if you have higher apm, if you can use the mechanics better to throw bigger armies against your enemy that you'll always win. That it would be impossible to ever beat Flash unless you were as fast as him. With BFME2 on the other hand, they claim that you can beat them by using some strategy, instead of using a cookie-cutter build and executing it faster than the opponent.

Yes, I know the rage this incites in all of us due to the stupidity of most of it, but I'm horrible articulating my thoughts on the game (personally I believe BFME2 is just another RTS game), so I need some help (BTW, the main guy is in the debate society...).

Edit: Actual facts would be very helpful.
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J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
April 30 2010 18:14 GMT
#2
Sounds to me like they were trolling you.
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
April 30 2010 18:14 GMT
#3
There is no point trying to argue. Your friends are obviously retarded.
Better than Pokebunny
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
April 30 2010 18:14 GMT
#4
On May 01 2010 03:14 J1.au wrote:
Sounds to me like they were trolling you.

or this
Better than Pokebunny
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
April 30 2010 18:14 GMT
#5
Where can I watch these BFME2 pro games with screaming Russian commentators and thousands of fans?

Oh.
Oh, my eSports
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 30 2010 18:15 GMT
#6
How is this an argument? Either they were trolling you or they were imbeciles.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
condoriano
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-30 18:51:24
April 30 2010 18:16 GMT
#7
93% of Russian population doesn't have computers. And half of the ones that do won't have a proper internet connection to play this.

Apparently someone (like Latham) doesn't read the OP before posting, this challenges the point OPs friends made that 93% of Russia's population play this game (which is comical in itself)
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sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
April 30 2010 18:21 GMT
#8
huh?
i don't even know that game, so what the fuck.

and believe me.. 70.000.000 people + the russia thing is such an obvious, dumb and blatant lie, that it actually made me laugh

I'm not really able to argument about this, but every child knows SC:BW is the deepest rts that exists. there is no game that requires so much apm + multitask + !strategy! (which includes mindgames etc.) that there is literally no game equal.

LOOOL... just watched a video about it. this game sucks ass dude.
it's pure a click on one another and some heroes in the big bash. this sucks so damn much, you can play it with about 10 apm.
i'm not even gonna bother to think about any arguments. you shouldn't talk to them about this topic, cause clearly they're newbs. please quote them my post
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9593 Posts
April 30 2010 18:22 GMT
#9
On May 01 2010 03:16 condoriano wrote:
93% of Russian population doesn't have computers. And half of the ones that do won't have a proper internet connection to play this.


Does it hurt? I mean pulling the random facts out of your ass.

To OP: Get new friends. If you want to find "logical arguments" check the "News" "Final Edits" and "Articles" sections on TL. Going to wikipedia or liquipedia might also do the trick. OR just cite fomos.kr as source for everything -____-;
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kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
April 30 2010 18:24 GMT
#10
Just ask them for numbers, or team names, or tournament coverage or anything regarding BFME competitive play. Most likely they will not be able to provide evidence of a competitive scene even close to Starcrafts.

Also, show them a VOD of Boxer from way back, when BFME wasn't even thought of.
condoriano
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States826 Posts
April 30 2010 18:25 GMT
#11
On May 01 2010 03:22 Latham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2010 03:16 condoriano wrote:
93% of Russian population doesn't have computers. And half of the ones that do won't have a proper internet connection to play this.


Does it hurt? I mean pulling the random facts out of your ass.


I pulled out a random fact that it's less than 93%? Are you serious accusing me with this?
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wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
April 30 2010 18:26 GMT
#12
BFME what....? Your friends are clueless
Ambergris_sTarTer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines166 Posts
April 30 2010 18:27 GMT
#13
BFME?

wow, where can you find a game that is all balanced?
If there would be a proleague in the Philippines, we from Ambergris will take it!
Belegorm
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States330 Posts
April 30 2010 18:28 GMT
#14
Well... I can't really get new friends, considering I'm on a tiny college and these are the guys I get to play games with. We do play BW as well (and intend to play SC2 next fall) but a number of them prefer BFME2. I can't play online too much either, since it's a 15 minute walk to a place with slow internet that doesn't block SC (as to them opening port 6112, probably won't happen).

If anyone can roll out actual game statistics, that would be awesome.
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.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
April 30 2010 18:33 GMT
#15
Just rape them at BFME2 over and over again then say "this game is too ez" and open up sc...ezpz?
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wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-30 18:40:56
April 30 2010 18:33 GMT
#16
Show them a Broodwar FPvod or OSL final something like that should convince them.Oh and this game is from EA, case closed.
condoriano
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States826 Posts
April 30 2010 18:35 GMT
#17
70 mil people playing is the most idiotic thing someone can say. Your friends are lying.
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13092 Posts
April 30 2010 18:35 GMT
#18
Whats this BFME2 thing .... never heard of it so prob it sucks ass.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
April 30 2010 18:36 GMT
#19
On May 01 2010 03:28 Belegorm wrote:
Well... I can't really get new friends, considering I'm on a tiny college and these are the guys I get to play games with. We do play BW as well (and intend to play SC2 next fall) but a number of them prefer BFME2. I can't play online too much either, since it's a 15 minute walk to a place with slow internet that doesn't block SC (as to them opening port 6112, probably won't happen).

If anyone can roll out actual game statistics, that would be awesome.

Are you a troll?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brood_war

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Battle_for_Middle-earth_II
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
April 30 2010 18:38 GMT
#20
They obviously are stupid, their inferior game cannot be compared to neither Starcraft: Brood War or even Starcraft 2 that are only in beta phases.

They are just stupid, avoid debating with retards
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
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