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Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2529 Posts
March 26 2005 09:09 GMT
#21
On March 17 2004 04:54 SoMuchBetter wrote:
goons deal 40 damage to marines? so armor gives them +200 hp?
if you have no confidence in your marine vs lurker micro then get armor, otherwise attack.


Goons do explosive damage so if they did 40 damage, it'd still take two hits.
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-26 13:22:57
March 26 2005 13:22 GMT
#22
On March 26 2005 18:09 FiGhtAsBlind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2004 04:54 SoMuchBetter wrote:
goons deal 40 damage to marines? so armor gives them +200 hp?
if you have no confidence in your marine vs lurker micro then get armor, otherwise attack.


Goons do explosive damage so if they did 40 damage, it'd still take two hits.



he said deal 40 damage to marines, not if their attack was 40
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my-baby
Profile Joined November 2004
United Kingdom176 Posts
March 26 2005 13:44 GMT
#23
always +1 attack before defence.. if your a heavy micro user

if not, defense is good cuz it makes your units tougher and certainly speed is less of an issue.
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BullocH
Profile Joined December 2003
Canada51 Posts
March 29 2005 23:26 GMT
#24
attack
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
March 30 2005 08:01 GMT
#25
isn't +1 defense = 1 hit more vs sunken? seems better to me than attack
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dan1st
Profile Joined April 2004
Malaysia399 Posts
March 30 2005 09:22 GMT
#26
Get both.
ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
March 30 2005 10:23 GMT
#27
On March 17 2004 06:39 exalted wrote:
A lot of people support getting the Armor upgrade vs Lurker, and there are a lot of reasons why its not a good idea:

The main reason is that when you stim your marines, your medics usually cannot heal them all before you run in and battle, and if you waited that long without a high medic/marine ratio, you would lose your stim anyways. Further, if you DID have a high medic/marine ratio, you woulnd't be dealing that much damage, and I'm pretty sure that elky (one that does use high m to marine ratio) goes attack first.

Further, its not nearly as good vs mutalisk and zergling, and ultralisk (hopefully you dont need to get that far in the game), and by the time you deal with guradian, you should have +1 armor anyways. (preferably 2/1 or 3/2)

Even I, the micro warrior that cannot kill a lurker with 5 marines believe that marine +attack is better. Just fan out your marines when you deal with lurker and you won't take as many casualties.

Edit: I'm not sure of the value of Marines vs Protoss -> a FAST armor upgrade might be good, I don't do that much Marine stuff that is non-Gundam vs Protoss (I like to do unconventional stuff, like fast wraith, so I might test this out more), but attack seems to be mainly better, because even though it would take 5 hits by dragoon and 2 hits by Dark Templar (Dragoon does 20 damage which is halved because a marine is a small unit, therefore it does 10 damage, and it means it would do 9/9/9/9/9 in order to kill a 40 hp +1 armor marine [previous poster wrote this but i'm just clarifying]). But, this becomes quickly obsolete when the protoss gets +1 attack, so it would have to be a build order of like rax rax bay acad or something --. But marimedic is very weak vs protoss anyways because of the fact that Dragoon w/range outrange Marines and they are absolutely ass vs High Templar and Reaver.



this is really true.
and firebats and medics take 3 hits any ways. firebats take 3 from lurkers and sunkens even after the stim.
marines i get weapons all the time.
if im feeling confident i get weapon 2 before armor 1.
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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
March 30 2005 11:40 GMT
#28
On March 30 2005 17:01 wasted wrote:
isn't +1 defense = 1 hit more vs sunken? seems better to me than attack


stim = -10 health = 30 marine not 40.
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x2fst
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
1272 Posts
March 30 2005 17:35 GMT
#29
i suck with marines so i go 1 armour
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GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
March 30 2005 18:04 GMT
#30
I can see how armor helps vs sunkens because you can choose when the fighting starts so you can wait for full health
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DuSkie
Profile Joined November 2004
Czech Republic451 Posts
March 30 2005 18:09 GMT
#31
attack first rox
striker
Profile Joined August 2004
France51 Posts
April 25 2005 12:17 GMT
#32
yes i triedmany different possibilities and attack i s definitly the best against lurker ( i mean 1-0 is better to start than 0-1) and u can make moremedicif u want somemore amor.
lil.sis
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
China4650 Posts
April 25 2005 13:44 GMT
#33
i only get armor first if i, for some reason, have m&m vs protoss and KNOW he's going dt's

otherwise, attack
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choujji
Profile Joined January 2005
Japan203 Posts
April 25 2005 13:44 GMT
#34
these marine upgrade threads really needs to stop. theres like a million of them on every big sc site.

for the last time, upgrade attack first vs zerg regardless.
if ur micro sucks vs lurks, learn to micro better.
if u want to charge into sunkens, attack upgrade works just as well.
Person514cs
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1004 Posts
April 25 2005 14:01 GMT
#35
+1 armor vs lurkers went help. Like some one said before once u stim marines = 30 health.
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-04-25 15:04:15
April 25 2005 14:44 GMT
#36
On April 25 2005 21:17 striker wrote:
yes i triedmany different possibilities and attack i s definitly the best against lurker ( i mean 1-0 is better to start than 0-1) and u can make moremedicif u want somemore amor.


dont dig up old threads dumbass
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Don H
Profile Joined July 2005
Colombia1 Post
July 11 2005 00:08 GMT
#37
Hi Im new in this game , i play normaly against the pc , but i want to learn the basic strategies to build my terran empire ,
wass up
TyrannicalTeabagger
Profile Joined July 2005
107 Posts
July 11 2005 00:14 GMT
#38
Always get Weapon upgrade first.

Armor only helps the marines getting hit....Weapon helps ALL the marines
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
July 11 2005 00:33 GMT
#39
On July 11 2005 09:08 Don H wrote:
Hi Im new in this game , i play normaly against the pc , but i want to learn the basic strategies to build my terran empire ,


Bumping old threads is thx.
It takes a fool to remain sane.
Sorrow_eyes
Profile Joined February 2005
United States1007 Posts
July 11 2005 03:24 GMT
#40
On July 11 2005 09:33 iNsaNe- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2005 09:08 Don H wrote:
Hi Im new in this game , i play normaly against the pc , but i want to learn the basic strategies to build my terran empire ,


Bumping old threads is thx.


lol didnt realize he bumped an old thread in such fashion... :>
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