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On March 05 2004 02:52 Commander[SB] wrote: Show nested quote +On March 05 2004 02:45 Excalibur_Z wrote:
The REAL argument against gay marriage is one that Beyonder never mentioned, though he came close.
It perverts the institution of marriage, and here's why: marriage has a religious foundation. You get married to your partner in the eyes of God. However, God does not approve of homosexual relationships. Therefore He will not allow them to be married. As such, any marriage between two gay people is void. So, they must resort to being joined in a civil union by a justice of the peace. Many atheists choose this route because they don't want to have to partake in a religious ceremony, and that is the only option for gays. I don't have a problem with gays joined in civil unions, just as long as they aren't married. They are NOT the same thing.
I know I'm going to get a lot of flak from anti-religious infidels who supposedly want equal rights for gays, but hey I don't make the rules. It has nothing to do with equal rights, and everything to do with perverting the institution of marriage in the way I described. Marriage has evolved much past being a church-only thing. Hell, only a while ago almost everyone married because of financial reasons. The world is constantly becoming more controversal but that doesn't give people the right to use God as an excuse to deprive people of expressing their love to the world. Marriage is about love. Period. And if you fail to see this then there is nothing I can write or say that can help you.
You should really take a look at the past history of marriage in general before making a statement like that, Only recently has marriage been more about love than anything else.
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On March 05 2004 02:52 Commander[SB] wrote: Show nested quote +On March 05 2004 02:45 Excalibur_Z wrote:
The REAL argument against gay marriage is one that Beyonder never mentioned, though he came close.
It perverts the institution of marriage, and here's why: marriage has a religious foundation. You get married to your partner in the eyes of God. However, God does not approve of homosexual relationships. Therefore He will not allow them to be married. As such, any marriage between two gay people is void. So, they must resort to being joined in a civil union by a justice of the peace. Many atheists choose this route because they don't want to have to partake in a religious ceremony, and that is the only option for gays. I don't have a problem with gays joined in civil unions, just as long as they aren't married. They are NOT the same thing.
I know I'm going to get a lot of flak from anti-religious infidels who supposedly want equal rights for gays, but hey I don't make the rules. It has nothing to do with equal rights, and everything to do with perverting the institution of marriage in the way I described. Marriage has evolved much past being a church-only thing. Hell, only a while ago almost everyone married because of financial reasons. The world is constantly becoming more controversal but that doesn't give people the right to use God as an excuse to deprive people of expressing their love to the world. Marriage is about love. Period. And if you fail to see this then there is nothing I can write or say that can help you.
WRONG! Marriage has not "evolved" at all. It has been the same for thousands of years. A man and a woman. There is no "evolution".
Shut the fuck up with your bleeding heart bullshit. Nobody is using God as an excuse to deprive people of expressing their love to the world. And it's not even to the world, it's to each other. Get your fucking stories straight. You've been spouting all this liberal BS and it's all "feelings" and zero realism. God is not being "used as an excuse". If you got a problem you take it up with Him. The Bible is His work and He says being gay is wrong, so just deal with it. Marriage IS about love but it is love by God's rules. Remember that. Answer me this: WHY DO THEY NEED TO GET MARRIED? WHAT IS WRONG WITH A CIVIL UNION, OR JUST LIVING TOGETHER?
I seriously hope you grow up and start thinking realistically instead of using your drug-induced spare time full of hippy fantasies to try and pervert something as sacred as marriage.
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I like how the government has to step in to take care of gay marriage, but when it's adultery, "it's being dealt with by God". I also like how divorce is the answer when the Bible is against it.
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On March 05 2004 02:37 rplant wrote:
Beyonder, are you just shamelessly plagiarizing or what? That same bit has been posted all over the place and is months old.
lol
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On March 05 2004 03:09 BroOd wrote:
I like how the government has to step in to take care of gay marriage, but when it's adultery, "it's being dealt with by God". I also like how divorce is the answer when the Bible is against it.
Sounds like you need to read the Bible then. What I said may sound contradictory but in reality it's not. I saw through your attempted logic trap from the start. The government, mainly San Francisco, Vermont, and now Portland, is creating laws making gay marriage a recognized institution. The government has no place to make these claims, so the government must take action reversing this.
Anyway back to divorce. Divorce is allowed if one is unfaithful and commits adultery but that is the ONLY time. READ THE BIBLE BUDDY. Don't challenge me on this.
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On March 05 2004 03:02 DV8 wrote: Show nested quote +On March 05 2004 02:52 Commander[SB] wrote: On March 05 2004 02:45 Excalibur_Z wrote:
The REAL argument against gay marriage is one that Beyonder never mentioned, though he came close.
It perverts the institution of marriage, and here's why: marriage has a religious foundation. You get married to your partner in the eyes of God. However, God does not approve of homosexual relationships. Therefore He will not allow them to be married. As such, any marriage between two gay people is void. So, they must resort to being joined in a civil union by a justice of the peace. Many atheists choose this route because they don't want to have to partake in a religious ceremony, and that is the only option for gays. I don't have a problem with gays joined in civil unions, just as long as they aren't married. They are NOT the same thing.
I know I'm going to get a lot of flak from anti-religious infidels who supposedly want equal rights for gays, but hey I don't make the rules. It has nothing to do with equal rights, and everything to do with perverting the institution of marriage in the way I described. Marriage has evolved much past being a church-only thing. Hell, only a while ago almost everyone married because of financial reasons. The world is constantly becoming more controversal but that doesn't give people the right to use God as an excuse to deprive people of expressing their love to the world. Marriage is about love. Period. And if you fail to see this then there is nothing I can write or say that can help you. You should really take a look at the past history of marriage in general before making a statement like that, Only recently has marriage been more about love than anything else.
Yes I said that.
And not really to you, but I truely wonder if some people even yet understand the concept of marriage. with all this God and bible bullshit being brought into it. It doesn't matter that the christain church started it, its much beyond that now. Marriage is simply an offical bond that ties two people as partners for life.
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On March 05 2004 03:16 Excalibur_Z wrote: Show nested quote +On March 05 2004 03:09 BroOd wrote:
I like how the government has to step in to take care of gay marriage, but when it's adultery, "it's being dealt with by God". I also like how divorce is the answer when the Bible is against it. Sounds like you need to read the Bible then. What I said may sound contradictory but in reality it's not. I saw through your attempted logic trap from the start. The government, mainly San Francisco, Vermont, and now Portland, is creating laws making gay marriage a recognized institution. The government has no place to make these claims, so the government must take action reversing this. Anyway back to divorce. Divorce is allowed if one is unfaithful and commits adultery but that is the ONLY time. READ THE BIBLE BUDDY. Don't challenge me on this.
The bible was written a couple thousand years ago. The authors I'm sure were homophobic. Don't take it so literally.
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On March 05 2004 03:16 Excalibur_Z wrote: Show nested quote +On March 05 2004 03:09 BroOd wrote:
I like how the government has to step in to take care of gay marriage, but when it's adultery, "it's being dealt with by God". I also like how divorce is the answer when the Bible is against it. Sounds like you need to read the Bible then. What I said may sound contradictory but in reality it's not. I saw through your attempted logic trap from the start. The government, mainly San Francisco, Vermont, and now Portland, is creating laws making gay marriage a recognized institution. The government has no place to make these claims, so the government must take action reversing this. Anyway back to divorce. Divorce is allowed if one is unfaithful and commits adultery but that is the ONLY time. READ THE BIBLE BUDDY. Don't challenge me on this.
Actually, they're not creating laws at all. They're breaking the current laws of marriage solemnization. So, by your logic, it's the laws PREVENTING gay marriage that should be taken away, seeing as the government has no place making any claims.
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On March 05 2004 03:16 Commander[SB] wrote: Show nested quote +On March 05 2004 03:02 DV8 wrote: On March 05 2004 02:52 Commander[SB] wrote: On March 05 2004 02:45 Excalibur_Z wrote:
The REAL argument against gay marriage is one that Beyonder never mentioned, though he came close.
It perverts the institution of marriage, and here's why: marriage has a religious foundation. You get married to your partner in the eyes of God. However, God does not approve of homosexual relationships. Therefore He will not allow them to be married. As such, any marriage between two gay people is void. So, they must resort to being joined in a civil union by a justice of the peace. Many atheists choose this route because they don't want to have to partake in a religious ceremony, and that is the only option for gays. I don't have a problem with gays joined in civil unions, just as long as they aren't married. They are NOT the same thing.
I know I'm going to get a lot of flak from anti-religious infidels who supposedly want equal rights for gays, but hey I don't make the rules. It has nothing to do with equal rights, and everything to do with perverting the institution of marriage in the way I described. Marriage has evolved much past being a church-only thing. Hell, only a while ago almost everyone married because of financial reasons. The world is constantly becoming more controversal but that doesn't give people the right to use God as an excuse to deprive people of expressing their love to the world. Marriage is about love. Period. And if you fail to see this then there is nothing I can write or say that can help you. You should really take a look at the past history of marriage in general before making a statement like that, Only recently has marriage been more about love than anything else. Yes I said that. And not really to you, but I truely wonder if some people even yet understand the concept of marriage. with all this God and bible bullshit being brought into it. It doesn't matter that the christain church started it, its much beyond that now. Marriage is simply an offical bond that ties two people as partners for life.
Sorry, heathen! There are two things: marriage and civil unions. Marriage is religious, civil unions are not. What makes you come up with this bullshit? Seriously. No, I'm serious. I want to get to the bottom of this. Does that pot you love so bad give you all these sudden realizations? It would really help matters if you thought things through with logic rather than feelings. Otherwise it's like talking to an fing brick wall. DUDE I CAN SEE MY ANCESTORS!
The Christian church didn't even invent marriage buddy, it's been around long before the days of Christ.
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On March 05 2004 03:18 Commander[SB] wrote: Show nested quote +On March 05 2004 03:16 Excalibur_Z wrote: On March 05 2004 03:09 BroOd wrote:
I like how the government has to step in to take care of gay marriage, but when it's adultery, "it's being dealt with by God". I also like how divorce is the answer when the Bible is against it. Sounds like you need to read the Bible then. What I said may sound contradictory but in reality it's not. I saw through your attempted logic trap from the start. The government, mainly San Francisco, Vermont, and now Portland, is creating laws making gay marriage a recognized institution. The government has no place to make these claims, so the government must take action reversing this. Anyway back to divorce. Divorce is allowed if one is unfaithful and commits adultery but that is the ONLY time. READ THE BIBLE BUDDY. Don't challenge me on this. The bible was written a couple thousand years ago. The authors I'm sure were homophobic. Don't take it so literally.
The Bible consists of the Words of God. Do you even know who God is? God isn't "some homophobic author", He is THE GUY. Remember what happened to that gay town in the Bible? Fire and brimstone buddy!
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On March 05 2004 03:02 Excalibur_Z wrote: Show nested quote +On March 05 2004 02:52 Commander[SB] wrote: On March 05 2004 02:45 Excalibur_Z wrote:
The REAL argument against gay marriage is one that Beyonder never mentioned, though he came close.
It perverts the institution of marriage, and here's why: marriage has a religious foundation. You get married to your partner in the eyes of God. However, God does not approve of homosexual relationships. Therefore He will not allow them to be married. As such, any marriage between two gay people is void. So, they must resort to being joined in a civil union by a justice of the peace. Many atheists choose this route because they don't want to have to partake in a religious ceremony, and that is the only option for gays. I don't have a problem with gays joined in civil unions, just as long as they aren't married. They are NOT the same thing.
I know I'm going to get a lot of flak from anti-religious infidels who supposedly want equal rights for gays, but hey I don't make the rules. It has nothing to do with equal rights, and everything to do with perverting the institution of marriage in the way I described. Marriage has evolved much past being a church-only thing. Hell, only a while ago almost everyone married because of financial reasons. The world is constantly becoming more controversal but that doesn't give people the right to use God as an excuse to deprive people of expressing their love to the world. Marriage is about love. Period. And if you fail to see this then there is nothing I can write or say that can help you. WRONG! Marriage has not "evolved" at all. It has been the same for thousands of years. A man and a woman. There is no "evolution".
That is where you are WRONG! It obviously has evolved, did you not see the first post? Oh my lord some of the stupitidy republicans can spurt.
Shut the fuck up with your bleeding heart bullshit. Nobody is using God as an excuse to deprive people of expressing their love to the world. And it's not even to the world, it's to each other. Get your fucking stories straight. You've been spouting all this liberal BS and it's all "feelings" and zero realism. God is not being "used as an excuse". If you got a problem you take it up with Him. The Bible is His work and He says being gay is wrong, so just deal with it. Marriage IS about love but it is love by God's rules. Remember that. Answer me this: WHY DO THEY NEED TO GET MARRIED? WHAT IS WRONG WITH A CIVIL UNION, OR JUST LIVING TOGETHER?
Why should they NOT be allowed to be married like everyone else? Doesn't matter if they NEED to or not, because no one NEEDS to. Its unfair and goes agenst human equality. And stop using the bible so fucking much in your arguements, you sound like a fucking priest. The bible is relative. Love is not. Oh yes, and just because a book written 2000 years ago by a bunch of homophobs says being gay is wrong means we should believe it. Ever tried thinking for yourself?
Whats your beef with gay people? Why do I pick up such a resentful vibe from your post?
I seriously hope you grow up and start thinking realistically instead of using your drug-induced spare time full of hippy fantasies to try and pervert something as sacred as marriage.
Telling me to grow up while finishing your post with 'drug-induced spare time full of hippy fantasies to try and pervert something as sacred as marriage' R O F L. good one homie.
Man you need a joint. Hell, you need a few of them.
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On March 05 2004 03:21 Excalibur_Z wrote: Show nested quote +On March 05 2004 03:16 Commander[SB] wrote: On March 05 2004 03:02 DV8 wrote: On March 05 2004 02:52 Commander[SB] wrote: On March 05 2004 02:45 Excalibur_Z wrote:
The REAL argument against gay marriage is one that Beyonder never mentioned, though he came close.
It perverts the institution of marriage, and here's why: marriage has a religious foundation. You get married to your partner in the eyes of God. However, God does not approve of homosexual relationships. Therefore He will not allow them to be married. As such, any marriage between two gay people is void. So, they must resort to being joined in a civil union by a justice of the peace. Many atheists choose this route because they don't want to have to partake in a religious ceremony, and that is the only option for gays. I don't have a problem with gays joined in civil unions, just as long as they aren't married. They are NOT the same thing.
I know I'm going to get a lot of flak from anti-religious infidels who supposedly want equal rights for gays, but hey I don't make the rules. It has nothing to do with equal rights, and everything to do with perverting the institution of marriage in the way I described. Marriage has evolved much past being a church-only thing. Hell, only a while ago almost everyone married because of financial reasons. The world is constantly becoming more controversal but that doesn't give people the right to use God as an excuse to deprive people of expressing their love to the world. Marriage is about love. Period. And if you fail to see this then there is nothing I can write or say that can help you. You should really take a look at the past history of marriage in general before making a statement like that, Only recently has marriage been more about love than anything else. Yes I said that. And not really to you, but I truely wonder if some people even yet understand the concept of marriage. with all this God and bible bullshit being brought into it. It doesn't matter that the christain church started it, its much beyond that now. Marriage is simply an offical bond that ties two people as partners for life. Sorry, heathen! There are two things: marriage and civil unions. Marriage is religious, civil unions are not. What makes you come up with this bullshit? Seriously. No, I'm serious. I want to get to the bottom of this. Does that pot you love so bad give you all these sudden realizations? It would really help matters if you thought things through with logic rather than feelings. Otherwise it's like talking to an fing brick wall. DUDE I CAN SEE MY ANCESTORS! The Christian church didn't even invent marriage buddy, it's been around long before the days of Christ.
YEs but it was popularized by the christain church, doesn't take a genious to figure thats what I implied. And no pot didn't give me these realizations, its called common sense.
But you should try a joint or two, it'd really help with the stress of having such a closed mind - maybe you'll be lucky and get a couple of realizations yourself.
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And excal, we've been far from buddys for a long time.
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People who put their kids up for adoption should specify whether or not they want their biological kids being brought up by fags. If they're ok with it, everyone else should be too. If they're not, no fags can adopt their kids. As far as gays marrying for tax benefits and crap, that should be legal because any other system is discriminatory.
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On March 05 2004 03:20 BroOd wrote: Show nested quote +On March 05 2004 03:16 Excalibur_Z wrote: On March 05 2004 03:09 BroOd wrote:
I like how the government has to step in to take care of gay marriage, but when it's adultery, "it's being dealt with by God". I also like how divorce is the answer when the Bible is against it. Sounds like you need to read the Bible then. What I said may sound contradictory but in reality it's not. I saw through your attempted logic trap from the start. The government, mainly San Francisco, Vermont, and now Portland, is creating laws making gay marriage a recognized institution. The government has no place to make these claims, so the government must take action reversing this. Anyway back to divorce. Divorce is allowed if one is unfaithful and commits adultery but that is the ONLY time. READ THE BIBLE BUDDY. Don't challenge me on this. Actually, they're not creating laws at all. They're breaking the current laws of marriage solemnization. So, by your logic, it's the laws PREVENTING gay marriage that should be taken away, seeing as the government has no place making any claims.
Boy you sure make things confusing. The government is intervening. There is no question about it. They want to change the definition of marriage. Okay now that we have established that, any intervention must be reversed.
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rplant that sounds like the most fair way to go about it.
Anyway its 3:45 and I need to sleep.
Peace.
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Btw what's the difference between a civil union and a marriage?
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On March 05 2004 03:25 Commander[SB] wrote:
That is where you are WRONG! It obviously has evolved, did you not see the first post? Oh my lord some of the stupitidy republicans can spurt.
You're going to have to explain this because the first post says NOTHING about how marriage has "evolved", just how one ultraliberal city wants to pervert the institution.
Why should they NOT be allowed to be married like everyone else? Doesn't matter if they NEED to or not, because no one NEEDS to. Its unfair and goes agenst human equality. And stop using the bible so fucking much in your arguements, you sound like a fucking priest.
Look heathen, MARRIAGE IS AN INSTITUTION WITH ITS ROOTS IN RELIGION. THROWING RELIGION OUT OF IT PERVERTS AND DESTROYS THE INTENT AND PHILOSOPHY BEHIND IT. Do you fucking GET IT YET?!
The bible is relative. Love is not. Oh yes, and just because a book written 2000 years ago by a bunch of homophobs says being gay is wrong means we should believe it. Ever tried thinking for yourself?
You REALLY need to get a clue. The Bible is NOT relative. Everything in there can be applied to everyday situations. Not that you would know. You're just happy living in your own hippy world ASSUMING everything you say about religion is correct. Who needs facts when you've got your fantasies!
Whats your beef with gay people? Why do I pick up such a resentful vibe from your post?
I don't have a problem with gay people, I just have a problem with homosexuality. Not that you can tell the difference. More ASSUMPTIONS from Commander the heathen! Maybe the reason you think I'm being so resentful is because you never use any logical argument. You think everything is equal. I sincerely hope you wake up.
Telling me to grow up while finishing your post with 'drug-induced spare time full of hippy fantasies to try and pervert something as sacred as marriage' R O F L. good one homie.
Man you need a joint. Hell, you need a few of them.
Yeah I need a joint like I need a brain tumor. You're a slave to the substance buddy. What wacky ideas will Commander come up with next!
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On March 05 2004 03:34 rplant wrote:
Btw what's the difference between a civil union and a marriage?
As far as the government is concerned (taxes, income statutes), nothing.
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So what's the big fuss? Who cares if gay marriages have a different name? Wow.
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