EPTIf you want society to progress then you cant be scared to make changes.
Sure, it might be hard at first but it will be better in the long run.
Gay Marriage has come to Portland - Page 3
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
If you want society to progress then you cant be scared to make changes. Sure, it might be hard at first but it will be better in the long run. | ||
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
On March 05 2004 02:19 Beyonder wrote: Perhaps, but what you must realise (which Baal said too) is that what you mention isn't the only way to make it widely accepted. There are other ways, positive propoganda - you name it. These do not effect a shit load of kids in a negative way. But sure, at one point this will be a point - but this should be later, after the world is more ready. I would not 'take a child' during the first stages, but that is just because of my morals, values, and experiences. Yes well depriving 2 people in love to not be aloud to adopt and marry because of 'positive propaganda' is stupid. They aren't hurting anyone, they aren't polluting the air, stealing money from old people, shooting up schools, selling crack to kids. They are not the real issue in America. Not saying the kid might not be scarred in some way - but how is it yours, mine, or a bunch of straight, white, conservitive fuckers in the white houses' place to say whether or not gay couples adopt or marry? It is depriving humans of there god-given rights to live and love how and whom they choose. And its ironic how bush wants to put 1.5 billion dollars forth to help keep couples together - when he could help the issue for free by legalizing gay marriage. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
On March 05 2004 02:29 DV8 wrote: I know this doesn't count for fact or even a stastitic but I thought Id bring it up, I knew 2 kids who grew up in a orphanage but both had no problems speaking of it and almost spoke of it as a self hardening experience that they are proud of. Yes and I have many friends who are gay, and who speak it proudly. I also have had a few friends in the past who have had a gay couple as parents and they weren't too ashamed to admit it. | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On March 05 2004 02:29 Commander[SB] wrote: Yes well depriving 2 people in love to not be aloud to adopt and marry because of 'positive propaganda' is stupid. They aren't hurting anyone, they aren't polluting the air, stealing money from old people, shooting up schools, selling crack to kids. They are not the real issue in America. Not saying the kid might not be scarred in some way - but how is it yours, mine, or a bunch of straight, white, conservitive fuckers in the white houses' place to say whether or not gay couples adopt or marry? It is depriving humans of there god-given rights to live and love how and whom they choose. And its ironic how bush wants to put 1.5 billion dollars forth to help keep couples together - when he could help the issue for free by legalizing gay marriage. Um how does legalizing gay marriage help keep straight couples together in a marriage? | ||
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
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rplant
United States1178 Posts
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
On March 05 2004 02:33 DV8 wrote: Um how does legalizing gay marriage help keep straight couples together in a marriage? I guess it doesn't, but that wasn't the point. The point was that he is trying so hard (1.5 billion is a fuckload of money) to keep couples together while he's trying SO hard to keep other couples apart. | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On March 05 2004 02:31 Commander[SB] wrote: Yes and I have many friends who are gay, and who speak it proudly. I also have had a few friends in the past who have had a gay couple as parents and they weren't too ashamed to admit it. Odd were their parents men? | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On March 05 2004 02:37 Commander[SB] wrote: I guess it doesn't, but that wasn't the point. The point was that he is trying so hard (1.5 billion is a fuckload of money) to keep couples together while he's trying SO hard to keep other couples apart. The reason being a man/woman couple raising a child tends to do better than any other situation. Edit: You didn't think he did that just for the sake for keeping men and women together did you? | ||
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
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rplant
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
The first step to changing a society for the better, is to admit its faults. Gay predijuce is a huge fault in American society. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
It perverts the institution of marriage, and here's why: marriage has a religious foundation. You get married to your partner in the eyes of God. However, God does not approve of homosexual relationships. Therefore He will not allow them to be married. As such, any marriage between two gay people is void. So, they must resort to being joined in a civil union by a justice of the peace. Many atheists choose this route because they don't want to have to partake in a religious ceremony, and that is the only option for gays. I don't have a problem with gays joined in civil unions, just as long as they aren't married. They are NOT the same thing. I know I'm going to get a lot of flak from anti-religious infidels who supposedly want equal rights for gays, but hey I don't make the rules. It has nothing to do with equal rights, and everything to do with perverting the institution of marriage in the way I described. | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On March 05 2004 02:38 Commander[SB] wrote: I don't remember one of them, it was a long time ago, but no the friend I do remember had 2 moms. Interesting they from the states? | ||
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BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
On March 05 2004 02:45 Excalibur_Z wrote: The REAL argument against gay marriage is one that Beyonder never mentioned, though he came close. It perverts the institution of marriage, and here's why: marriage has a religious foundation. You get married to your partner in the eyes of God. However, God does not approve of homosexual relationships. Therefore He will not allow them to be married. As such, any marriage between two gay people is void. So, they must resort to being joined in a civil union by a justice of the peace. Many atheists choose this route because they don't want to have to partake in a religious ceremony, and that is the only option for gays. I don't have a problem with gays joined in civil unions, just as long as they aren't married. They are NOT the same thing. I know I'm going to get a lot of flak from anti-religious infidels who supposedly want equal rights for gays, but hey I don't make the rules. It has nothing to do with equal rights, and everything to do with perverting the institution of marriage in the way I described. Ok, but should there be laws preventing infidelity/adultery? They also pervert the "institution of marriage." | ||
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
On March 05 2004 02:45 Excalibur_Z wrote: The REAL argument against gay marriage is one that Beyonder never mentioned, though he came close. It perverts the institution of marriage, and here's why: marriage has a religious foundation. You get married to your partner in the eyes of God. However, God does not approve of homosexual relationships. Therefore He will not allow them to be married. As such, any marriage between two gay people is void. So, they must resort to being joined in a civil union by a justice of the peace. Many atheists choose this route because they don't want to have to partake in a religious ceremony, and that is the only option for gays. I don't have a problem with gays joined in civil unions, just as long as they aren't married. They are NOT the same thing. I know I'm going to get a lot of flak from anti-religious infidels who supposedly want equal rights for gays, but hey I don't make the rules. It has nothing to do with equal rights, and everything to do with perverting the institution of marriage in the way I described. Marriage has evolved much past being a church-only thing. Hell, only a while ago almost everyone married because of financial reasons. The world is constantly becoming more controversal but that doesn't give people the right to use God as an excuse to deprive people of expressing their love to the world. Marriage is about love. Period. And if you fail to see this then there is nothing I can write or say that can help you. | ||
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
Don't actually know, I presume so. I lived in Littleton, Colorado at the time (columbine ring a bell?) and he didn't seem like he was gonna go pull out a semi-auto and bring the country media on him. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On March 05 2004 02:48 BroOd wrote: Ok, but should there be laws preventing infidelity/adultery? They also pervert the "institution of marriage." Well according to the Bible, if someone commits adultery then the couple's marriage is void. The adulterer goes to hell and divorce becomes an option. I personally don't like the government getting involved in legislature regarding marriage. To answer your question, no there shouldn't be laws preventing it because that is already dealt with by God, and divorce is the answer. | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On March 05 2004 02:53 Commander[SB] wrote: Don't actually know, I presume so. I lived in Littleton, Colorado at the time (columbine ring a bell?) and he didn't seem like he was gonna go pull out a semi-auto and bring the country media on him. Unless he/she was born from one of the 2 parents it just seems a bit odd when in 1997 new jersey was the first state to legalize adoption by joint gay/lesbian couples. | ||
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