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GoSu
Korea (South)1773 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:42 snarl wrote: Fantasy not revealing his hidden marines also basically drew in Jaedong to see what he could do with lings at the choke instead of scouting. I meant in general. The Overlord checked marines too late. TT | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9041 Posts
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:43 nayumi wrote: Actually since his first Ovie scouted Fantasy's main, I don't think he would have wanted to waste another scouting drone just to make sure there wasn't any proxy rax coming up. Can't wait for the VODs to come up ... I really want to see if it's because of the fake wall that led JD to expand and tech to lair ... Yeah, that's exactly the thing. After being bunker rushed, BBS'd, proxy factory, proxy gateways in main, etc. so many times on iccup I ALWAYS drone scout to make sure nothing cheesy is happening and I don't understand why JD wouldn't do the same. Yeah, it's a "waste" of a drone if they didn't cheese but when you're the best in the game you can afford the minor economy hit. | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
epic epic epic epic fail by best, using 0 armor zealots against 2-3 vultures get some damn gas for high templars >:[ well anyways, gg. my sleeping schedule is ruined now. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:47 QuakerOats wrote: Yeah, that's exactly the thing. After being bunker rushed, BBS'd, proxy factory, proxy gateways in main, etc. so many times on iccup I ALWAYS drone scout to make sure nothing cheesy is happening and I don't understand why JD wouldn't do the same. Yeah, it's a "waste" of a drone if they didn't cheese but when you're the best in the game you can afford the minor economy hit. Jaedong has always been greedy. Look at his stream of 12 hatch games. Even if he's the best in the game, he's still greedy. He'll learn to overcome this eventually, and produce even better dominance. Or fail because everyone finds out his weakness. | ||
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:51 Saracen wrote: I'm glad I didn't stay up to watch this... best vs lomo was best game of the night, should've stayed up to watch THAT ^_^ | ||
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:43 pR0gR4m3R wrote: Oz lost and thats all. And it´s about time to Coach Cho to think deeply into what´s going on into Oz, because JD has not been supported enough from teammates I mean, this is same case as happened with Flash about a year and a half ago, when everything into KTF was about Flash winning, and praise for other teammates to win another matches. KTF learnt the lesson and supported him with Luxury, and then forGG this season Free agent agency will be open soon, so better Coach Cho make a good deal to get some other companions, or JD might be start thinking about a team change in the future Something makes me feel like you didn't watch the games very closely... This weekend showed that Jaedong isn't invincible, not that the rest of Oz doesn't support him. He lost every game he played this weekend, usually in a convincing fashion (except the first one vs. Fantasy, that was just fucked up). In fact, recently, Oz's young players have shown that they're in fact very capable and should be given more screen time over BackHo/Lomo/HiyA. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:43 pR0gR4m3R wrote: I mean, this is same case as happened with Flash about a year and a half ago, when everything into KTF was about Flash winning, and praise for other teammates to win another matches. KTF learnt the lesson and supported him with Luxury, and then forGG this season If by support you mean raising Flash's contribution to KTF's total winrate, then yes. | ||
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:53 tirentu wrote: Something makes me feel like you didn't watch the games very closely... This weekend showed that Jaedong isn't invincible, not that the rest of Oz doesn't support him. He lost every game he played this weekend, usually in a convincing fashion (except the first one vs. Fantasy, that was just fucked up). In fact, recently, Oz's young players have shown that they're in fact very capable and should be given more screen time over BackHo/Lomo/HiyA. I assure you, Backho winning Canata was not expected, but then Backho can pull wins out of his ass like nobody else can. Backho is very random, but being Backho and human his random win ratio in clutch situations becomes higher. To me, Backho is a very charismatic player; he fails a lot, but at the right moment, at the right time, he delivers. Lomo did well today. I don't see how Oz's younger players should get more screen time over the rest, since it would take ages to build up experience. However, should the condition of these A team players deteriorate even further, I will agree with the younger players replacing these players. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:52 sArite_nite wrote: Jaedong has always been greedy. Look at his stream of 12 hatch games. Even if he's the best in the game, he's still greedy. He'll learn to overcome this eventually, and produce even better dominance. Or fail because everyone finds out his weakness. Since when was 12 hatch greedy? | ||
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cablesc
United States1540 Posts
1. Fantasy didn't deprive fans of anything. His job it to win games. That's what makes it a sport/competition. If the goal was to gin up games to provide entertainment, then it would be wrestling. 2. Who's to say what an epic game is. Some of the most famous, well-remembered games are cheese rushes. Boxer vs Oov in the finals, Boxer 3 times vs Yellow. And what I consider to be the most famous starcraft game of all time, Boxer's scv rush vs Yellow in the finals: This WAS an epic game. A perfectly executed fake wall into all in rush to clinch the Pro League Title? Uh yeah, I think that'll get a couple hits on youtube. | ||
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
12 hatch is disadvantageous against an early rush. | ||
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pR0gR4m3R
Spain1446 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:53 tirentu wrote: Something makes me feel like you didn't watch the games very closely... This weekend showed that Jaedong isn't invincible, not that the rest of Oz doesn't support him. He lost every game he played this weekend, usually in a convincing fashion (except the first one vs. Fantasy, that was just fucked up). In fact, recently, Oz's young players have shown that they're in fact very capable and should be given more screen time over BackHo/Lomo/HiyA. I watched all games into this Finals and Semifinals, and really, Oz hasnt enough quality rooster to support JD, or event to try to win without JD´s participation. For me it doesnt matter if today was a 3-3, and then ACE match, its quite clear if this series were taken to best of 7 days, Oz maybe could win 2 days, no more.. | ||
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baqarah
Poland13 Posts
First of all: Im a JD fan. I was so much for JD in this game and I DO feel robbed by fantasy. Why? Because of the great play of the rest of OZ. Everyone was like: "No way! SK will go 4-0!" When I saw JD vs Hyuk game I was sure that 4-0 was going to happen. Then there were those epic games by Backho and Lomo. I went like "Omgomgomgomgomg". Jaedong was 1 game away from redeeming his loss with Hyuk. If he had won with Fantasy, he would have faced Bisu for sure. Just imagine Bisu vs Jaedong Super Ace match! All the thrill, all the emotions. Everyone wondering: "Can JD pull his 2nd win after the humiliation by Hyuk?" or "Can Bisu stomp on JD so easily as in the 1st game?" The whole season coming down to a single clash of the titans. That would have been EPIC. Well, Fantasy being a great player as he is he went a brilliant cheese. FE, with some intentional loss of a marine or two near his wall. Cheese is not a forbidden strategy. All the pros are doing it (Bisu, Backho it this very match). Probably JD could have predicted the cheese (because of Bisu being next), but he could have also thought: "They probably want to make me tired, so hell go long exhausting macro game". Well, I feel bad because of this match. I wanted OZ to win (but my Liguid-bet was on SKT1  ). Epic match, could have been even more epic. Next season Oz with killer and perfectman will OWN SKT1 . | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:53 alt.tday wrote: FUCKING SHIT. I SLEPT THROUGH IT FUCK I FUCKING HATE MYSELF AJFIEOJWAFIO;EJWAIFO;JEWIAF HOW THE FUCKING SHIT DID JAEDONG LOSE ALL 3 GAMES IN PROLEAGUE FINALS WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HIM HOLY SHIT WHAT A LOSER HOLY FUCK SHIT DAMN IT OZ COULD HAVE WON THEY DID SO GOOD DAY 2..... JD REALLY LET HIS TEAM DOWN. gtfo of team liquid kk thx | ||
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
On August 09 2009 00:01 baqarah wrote: First time poster, long time reader. Hi all! First of all: Im a JD fan. I was so much for JD in this game and I DO feel robbed by fantasy. Why? Because of the great play of the rest of OZ. Everyone was like: "No way! SK will go 4-0!" When I saw JD vs Hyuk game I was sure that 4-0 was going to happen. Then there were those epic games by Backho and Lomo. I went like "Omgomgomgomgomg". Jaedong was 1 game away from redeeming his loss with Hyuk. If he had won with Fantasy, he would have faced Bisu for sure. Just imagine Bisu vs Jaedong Super Ace match! All the thrill, all the emotions. Everyone wondering: "Can JD pull his 2nd win after the humiliation by Hyuk?" or "Can Bisu stomp on JD so easily as in the 1st game?" The whole season coming down to a single clash of the titans. That would have been EPIC. Well, Fantasy being a great player as he is he went a brilliant cheese. FE, with some intentional loss of a marine or two near his wall. Cheese is not a forbidden strategy. All the pros are doing it (Bisu, Backho it this very match). Probably JD could have predicted the cheese (because of Bisu being next), but he could have also thought: "They probably want to make me tired, so hell go long exhausting macro game". Well, I feel bad because of this match. I wanted OZ to win (but my Liguid-bet was on SKT1 ). Epic match, could have been even more epic. Next season Oz with killer and perfectman will OWN SKT1 .HI BAQ! | ||
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