• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:43
CET 03:43
KST 11:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion6Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)16Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
When will we find out if there are more tournament PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win I am looking for StarCraft 2 Beta Patch files Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction
Tourneys
$70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Video Footage from 2005: The Birth of G2 in Spain BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Navigating the Risks and Rew…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1784 users

[SPL] Grand Final - SK Telecom T1 vs Hwaseung Oz - Day 2 -…

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 135 136 137 138 139 153 Next
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 08 2009 14:30 GMT
#2721
jaedong going 0-3 (including losing a zvz) is possibly one of the most improbable outcomes in SC i can think of

lomo should have just lost and spared jaedong this defeat lol
HEY MEYT
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 08 2009 14:30 GMT
#2722
What is an 'epic game'? Should players agree not to attack each other for a certain amount of time to mass up and get tech?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Fresol
Profile Joined April 2009
China77 Posts
August 08 2009 14:30 GMT
#2723
meh
Weryeery
Profile Joined June 2008
288 Posts
August 08 2009 14:30 GMT
#2724
everytime a T cheese its a strategic play.
everytime a Z 5 pool or even 9 pool its a cheesy allin.

Funny boys...
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 08 2009 14:31 GMT
#2725
On August 08 2009 23:30 Zona wrote:
What is an 'epic game'? Should players agree not to attack each other for a certain amount of time to mass up and get tech?


maybe a longer game that goes back and forth, maybe like that bisu vs iris osl game?
HEY MEYT
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 08 2009 14:31 GMT
#2726
Oh, this is the first time in these playoffs that we didn't go to super ace.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
August 08 2009 14:32 GMT
#2727
I think ppl should stop complaining about "OMG I was robed by fantasy and I wanted to watch long and epic game". If JD 4pool'd I'm completely sure non of you would've felt robed. It sucks to lose to cheese, but every great player in this game was denied from important wins, because of cheesy play.
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
August 08 2009 14:32 GMT
#2728
On August 08 2009 23:29 sArite_nite wrote:

Actually, the final was an epic game in itself. Look at the speed of Jaedong's reactions when his overlord was sniped by marines. Look at how the lings nearly got into the base. Look at Fantasy when he pulled his SCVs to block the lings and went further to SCV bunker rush him.

Fantasy felt pretty safe pulling a bunker rush. He still had Bisu to back him up on Super Ace and what I think this match was supposed to do was mindfuck Jaedong more than win.

Fantasy pulled off this win perfectly, but the intention was not to win. It was to weaken Jaedong mentality against Bisu. Had Fantasy lost this match, he would have been recorded as the key weapon in defeating Jaedong, by weakening Jaedong so badly Bisu made mincemeat out of him.

Instead, Fantasy won this.

Don't judge Fantasy as relying on the cheese to win. SKT's grand plan always has contingencies and the plan went: "Fantasy will bunker rush Jaedong. He will 1) win or 2) lose but weaken Jaedong enough to let Bisu win".


Why would winning a game weaken him at all? And sorry i don't think you are going to convince many people it was an epic game.
genryou
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia390 Posts
August 08 2009 14:32 GMT
#2729
I look forward to the interview, preferably the interview with Oz, hoping that Jaedong is not too stress out because of today's lost.
I, Challenge Everything
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
August 08 2009 14:33 GMT
#2730
On August 08 2009 23:30 Weryeery wrote:
everytime a T cheese its a strategic play.
everytime a Z 5 pool or even 9 pool its a cheesy allin.

Funny boys...


It's the nature of the races. Zerg fails a 4pool, and it's almost always instant win for Terran. Terran fails a bunker rush, and... oh wait, there's a wall. Any lings the Zerg made for the bunker rush are now useless and the Terran is still in the game (although he might be at a disadvantage, it's not an instant loss).
psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
August 08 2009 14:33 GMT
#2731
On August 08 2009 23:31 JohnColtrane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:30 Zona wrote:
What is an 'epic game'? Should players agree not to attack each other for a certain amount of time to mass up and get tech?


maybe a longer game that goes back and forth, maybe like that bisu vs iris osl game?

But you can't help it when one player is just so much weaker than the other.
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
August 08 2009 14:33 GMT
#2732
It makes me so mad when someone loses under 5 minutes
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
monstar123
Profile Joined December 2008
United States516 Posts
August 08 2009 14:33 GMT
#2733
SKT 1 deserves Gold Medal. That's all.
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
August 08 2009 14:33 GMT
#2734
On August 08 2009 23:30 JohnColtrane wrote:
jaedong going 0-3 (including losing a zvz) is possibly one of the most improbable outcomes in SC i can think of

lomo should have just lost and spared jaedong this defeat lol


Not when Oz still had the chance of winning. Not when they have Jaedong, who is still a monster, a tyrant, an utterly good player despite his losses in the last few games.

I, an SKT fan, feel that Oz has done their best. Oz fans have reason to be proud of Oz. SKT fans have reason to be proud of SKT. Lets leave it at that.
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
August 08 2009 14:33 GMT
#2735
Epic Game : when highly-skilled players face each other and play at their peak performance simultaneously...

Lol I guess....
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 08 2009 14:33 GMT
#2736
good thing i lb'd skt ^_^
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 08 2009 14:34 GMT
#2737
whoever said above that the players oz really plays too much are lomo, backho, and hiya, not jaedong, was right - hopefully these playoffs will be a sign to the team that there are these other players who are more than worthy of real development and screen time
economist_
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Vietnam719 Posts
August 08 2009 14:35 GMT
#2738
scout and you dont get cheesed, that is pretty simple eh?
Economics forecast assumes everything, except responsibilities
isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
August 08 2009 14:35 GMT
#2739
On August 08 2009 23:32 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:29 sArite_nite wrote:

Actually, the final was an epic game in itself. Look at the speed of Jaedong's reactions when his overlord was sniped by marines. Look at how the lings nearly got into the base. Look at Fantasy when he pulled his SCVs to block the lings and went further to SCV bunker rush him.

Fantasy felt pretty safe pulling a bunker rush. He still had Bisu to back him up on Super Ace and what I think this match was supposed to do was mindfuck Jaedong more than win.

Fantasy pulled off this win perfectly, but the intention was not to win. It was to weaken Jaedong mentality against Bisu. Had Fantasy lost this match, he would have been recorded as the key weapon in defeating Jaedong, by weakening Jaedong so badly Bisu made mincemeat out of him.

Instead, Fantasy won this.

Don't judge Fantasy as relying on the cheese to win. SKT's grand plan always has contingencies and the plan went: "Fantasy will bunker rush Jaedong. He will 1) win or 2) lose but weaken Jaedong enough to let Bisu win".


Why would winning a game weaken him at all? And sorry i don't think you are going to convince many people it was an epic game.

even though i dont think that a win would weaken him, i do feel that it was an EPIC game and i think that SKT1-fans all over the world will agree on some level
KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 08 2009 14:36 GMT
#2740
On August 08 2009 23:33 sArite_nite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:30 JohnColtrane wrote:
jaedong going 0-3 (including losing a zvz) is possibly one of the most improbable outcomes in SC i can think of

lomo should have just lost and spared jaedong this defeat lol


Not when Oz still had the chance of winning. Not when they have Jaedong, who is still a monster, a tyrant, an utterly good player despite his losses in the last few games.

I, an SKT fan, feel that Oz has done their best. Oz fans have reason to be proud of Oz. SKT fans have reason to be proud of SKT. Lets leave it at that.


Well said, let SKT celebrate their victory, and lets hope JD isn't suffering from too much psych trauma.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Prev 1 135 136 137 138 139 153 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft498
Nathanias 100
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 1146
Sharp 229
Shuttle 89
HiyA 86
Stormgate
Artosis812
Dota 2
monkeys_forever351
NeuroSwarm65
febbydoto11
League of Legends
C9.Mang0567
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1518
m0e_tv410
taco 330
Foxcn165
Other Games
summit1g6176
JimRising 592
Day[9].tv317
XaKoH 316
Maynarde158
ZombieGrub32
minikerr29
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 72
• HeavenSC 17
• Laughngamez YouTube
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Mapu5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21887
League of Legends
• Scarra2034
Other Games
• Day9tv317
• Shiphtur91
Upcoming Events
OSC
8h 17m
Shameless vs MaNa
Nicoract vs Percival
Krystianer vs TBD
Cure vs SHIN
PiGosaur Monday
22h 17m
The PondCast
1d 7h
OSC
1d 8h
Big Brain Bouts
3 days
Serral vs TBD
BSL 21
4 days
BSL 21
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.