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Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
August 08 2009 14:19 GMT
#2681
Seriously guys it wasn't 9-pool, it was more like 12-pool.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 08 2009 14:20 GMT
#2682
We will see during the next season if new players like Perfectman and other could be at the same level than Jaedong, BackHo, etc!
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
Murdoink
Profile Joined March 2009
Chile1219 Posts
August 08 2009 14:20 GMT
#2683
On August 08 2009 23:19 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On August 08 2009 23:15 lazz wrote:
On August 08 2009 23:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Its funny how you guys are talking about FantaSy cheeses. Its not a cheese that won him the game, it was a really good decision in that map. Jaedong went 9 pool speed which is not really clever given that you call wall off lingtight on medusa but what really costs him the game was losing the overlord and that fantasy didnt show his marines he made from the 8 rax.

Had he shown the Marines from the first barracks Jaedong would have known there are 2 rax and he could have reduced the marine count but when he knew it, he already lost an overlord and it was too late. So please dont say it was a simple cheese, because it was not.

stating the obvious bro


Is it so obvious yes? Because it seems like people are not getting it. 9 pool speed was the exact counter and he lost, and everyone cries "cheese, cheese"! So if this game and the reason he lost was obvious to you, you are at least C rank on iccup :[!

12pool speed is a better counter imo
and he didn't even go 9pool speed - it was 9pool lair, arguably the worst build he could have done against cheese

The worst would've been 12 hatch (lol)
SNARF HWAITING
asdfTT123
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States989 Posts
August 08 2009 14:20 GMT
#2684
Although OZ lost I'm incredibly proud of the team's performance today, especially with BackHo, Killer, and Lomo. You can't put all the blame on Jaedong...the team slumped during day 1 when the more favorable bracket and if it wasn't for Jaedong, OZ wouldn't be in the grand finals in the first place. Here's to an amazing effort from OZ and the show their "less-favored" put on for the crowd and I hope OZ players excel and gain more recognition in the future. BTW, Jaedong's still got the MSL and his opportunity to take his revenge on Fantasy in the OSL

Congrats to SKT1 for their championship but I'm forever an OZ fan.
n.Die_Jaedong <3
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 08 2009 14:20 GMT
#2685
On August 08 2009 23:19 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On August 08 2009 23:15 lazz wrote:
On August 08 2009 23:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Its funny how you guys are talking about FantaSy cheeses. Its not a cheese that won him the game, it was a really good decision in that map. Jaedong went 9 pool speed which is not really clever given that you call wall off lingtight on medusa but what really costs him the game was losing the overlord and that fantasy didnt show his marines he made from the 8 rax.

Had he shown the Marines from the first barracks Jaedong would have known there are 2 rax and he could have reduced the marine count but when he knew it, he already lost an overlord and it was too late. So please dont say it was a simple cheese, because it was not.

stating the obvious bro


Is it so obvious yes? Because it seems like people are not getting it. 9 pool speed was the exact counter and he lost, and everyone cries "cheese, cheese"! So if this game and the reason he lost was obvious to you, you are at least C rank on iccup :[!

12pool speed is a better counter imo
and he didn't even go 9pool speed - it was 9pool lair, arguably the worst build he could have done against cheese


Yup T.T! Even if Fantasy went for a mech build it would not be too good :/! Btw, go online @ msn
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
August 08 2009 14:20 GMT
#2686
On August 08 2009 23:16 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Its funny how you guys are talking about FantaSy cheeses. Its not a cheese that won him the game, it was a really good decision in that map. Jaedong went 9 pool speed which is not really clever given that you call wall off lingtight on medusa but what really costs him the game was losing the overlord and that fantasy didnt show his marines he made from the 8 rax.

Had he shown the Marines from the first barracks Jaedong would have known there are 2 rax and he could have reduced the marine count but when he knew it, he already lost an overlord and it was too late. So please dont say it was a simple cheese, because it was not.

Indeed!!

Jaedong was also setting himself up to effectively "cheese" fantasy with his super fast mutas but hey, he got counter cheesed


Do you think SKT came with the mindset of stomping all over Oz and saying "IN YO FASE BEETCH"?. I definitely think so. Fantasy cheesed twice, Bisu cheesed once. SKT is cheese nation after today. They made a statement and they were true to their word.

Jaedong got sniped TWICE by brilliance and his own greedy folly (12 hatch outsider/against hyuk)
And SKT says "in your face"

I respect the gameplay. Fantasy sniping the overlord was such a killing blow. Sunkens didn't come up fast enough. Fantasy played brilliantly again.
barbahaba0
Profile Joined January 2009
Israel226 Posts
August 08 2009 14:20 GMT
#2687
?????? that was ugly ending and i hope u loose 0-3 fantasy
to jaedong in the semi finals
and i hope u loose to the rock every time u'll face him
dear god what a dissapointment
game over dude .... game over!!!!
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
August 08 2009 14:20 GMT
#2688
On August 08 2009 23:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:15 lazz wrote:
On August 08 2009 23:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Its funny how you guys are talking about FantaSy cheeses. Its not a cheese that won him the game, it was a really good decision in that map. Jaedong went 9 pool speed which is not really clever given that you call wall off lingtight on medusa but what really costs him the game was losing the overlord and that fantasy didnt show his marines he made from the 8 rax.

Had he shown the Marines from the first barracks Jaedong would have known there are 2 rax and he could have reduced the marine count but when he knew it, he already lost an overlord and it was too late. So please dont say it was a simple cheese, because it was not.

stating the obvious bro


Is it so obvious yes? Because it seems like people are not getting it. 9 pool speed was the exact counter and he lost, and everyone cries "cheese, cheese"! So if this game and the reason he lost was obvious to you, you are at least C rank on iccup :[!

He did not go 9pool speed. He got Lair first and his speed finished when his nat was already lost.

Agreed it was a very good strategy by fantasy and all this "cheese" talk is nonsense.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 08 2009 14:20 GMT
#2689
On August 08 2009 23:19 Nylan wrote:
You haven't read many of his interviews, have you?


honestly no, but if anything this finals shows that the "one-dimensional strategy" almost succeeded (i.e. everything was in place to hang on jaedong)
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
August 08 2009 14:21 GMT
#2690
thanks to sc2gg for commentating

and thanks to those who translated and to those who put up the livestreams

GG!!!

i now love fantasy more than bisu hehe
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 08 2009 14:21 GMT
#2691
Awesome Final , i had a great time + SKT1 won after a drama ACE match . It was awesome .

4 hours of fantastic emotions and a great doze of Starcraft . Thats what i call entertainment !

SKT1 POWER !!! hell yeah
T H C makes ppl happy
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
August 08 2009 14:21 GMT
#2692
Well, after the first huge frustration is gone, I've to congratulate SKT and admit that they played an outstanding proleague season.

Still I'm very proud of OZ. They came back when nobody believed in them and showed that they are not a one-man team. Something everybody thought they are, well, except we few OZ fans around here. Who still thinks OZ is a one-man team hasn't seen the the 4-1 vs CJ and the comeback today. With the newcomers Killer and PerfectMan, with lomo showing he's not dead yet (not to mention Backho) I'm totally looking forward to the next season.

This was an awesome proleague season, even so it didn't ended as it should (in my opinion).
hopefully jaedong puts his frustation in even more epic and outstanding games.

genryou
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia390 Posts
August 08 2009 14:21 GMT
#2693
If only Jaedong change to other team like CJ perhaps, he can discuss his strategy with good Zerg like Savior and Effort.

But in Oz...
I, Challenge Everything
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 08 2009 14:21 GMT
#2694
We can;t say like, FanTaSy lamed or what... FanTaSy studied many JD's matches I guess.
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
August 08 2009 14:21 GMT
#2695
On August 08 2009 23:20 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On August 08 2009 23:15 lazz wrote:
On August 08 2009 23:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Its funny how you guys are talking about FantaSy cheeses. Its not a cheese that won him the game, it was a really good decision in that map. Jaedong went 9 pool speed which is not really clever given that you call wall off lingtight on medusa but what really costs him the game was losing the overlord and that fantasy didnt show his marines he made from the 8 rax.

Had he shown the Marines from the first barracks Jaedong would have known there are 2 rax and he could have reduced the marine count but when he knew it, he already lost an overlord and it was too late. So please dont say it was a simple cheese, because it was not.

stating the obvious bro


Is it so obvious yes? Because it seems like people are not getting it. 9 pool speed was the exact counter and he lost, and everyone cries "cheese, cheese"! So if this game and the reason he lost was obvious to you, you are at least C rank on iccup :[!

He did not go 9pool speed. He got Lair first and his speed finished when his nat was already lost.

Agreed it was a very good strategy by fantasy and all this "cheese" talk is nonsense.



you're late ^^
beep boop
Alsar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States130 Posts
August 08 2009 14:22 GMT
#2696
On August 08 2009 23:14 Nylan wrote:
I feel so bad for Jaedong as a person, I really admire his heart and dedication. However, I'm absolutely ecstatic to see Oz coach's one-dimensional strategy fail.

What else can you do as Oz's coach though? I mean he literally has no other options with how his team is. There's no way that he or anyone in his position would risk sending out someone like Hiya or Backho with the shape they are in to win a finals ace match, when you have someone playing so much above them like Jaedong on your team.
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 08 2009 14:22 GMT
#2697
Im more painful for Jaedong than happy for SKT.... wow TT
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
August 08 2009 14:22 GMT
#2698
On August 08 2009 23:20 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On August 08 2009 23:15 lazz wrote:
On August 08 2009 23:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Its funny how you guys are talking about FantaSy cheeses. Its not a cheese that won him the game, it was a really good decision in that map. Jaedong went 9 pool speed which is not really clever given that you call wall off lingtight on medusa but what really costs him the game was losing the overlord and that fantasy didnt show his marines he made from the 8 rax.

Had he shown the Marines from the first barracks Jaedong would have known there are 2 rax and he could have reduced the marine count but when he knew it, he already lost an overlord and it was too late. So please dont say it was a simple cheese, because it was not.

stating the obvious bro


Is it so obvious yes? Because it seems like people are not getting it. 9 pool speed was the exact counter and he lost, and everyone cries "cheese, cheese"! So if this game and the reason he lost was obvious to you, you are at least C rank on iccup :[!

He did not go 9pool speed. He got Lair first and his speed finished when his nat was already lost.

Agreed it was a very good strategy by fantasy and all this "cheese" talk is nonsense.

Clearly if you attack somebody before 15 minutes it's called cheese.
soonsu
Profile Joined October 2006
France166 Posts
August 08 2009 14:22 GMT
#2699
GG SKT, and thanks ghostwriter for the translations!
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
August 08 2009 14:22 GMT
#2700
i think mostly we feel cheated out of another epic game like the first day JD vs fantasy... or pretty much any of the JD vs fantasy games... look through tlpd sometime, whenever these guys meet it's epic... except the grand final.

was an annoyingly clever cheese though!
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