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On August 08 2009 23:14 tobi9999 wrote:JD doesn't look as good anymore  Where is the JD who would defend cheese like a monster and absolutely destroy noobies with mutalisks. It's gone, JD is begging for standard play now and too mad at cheese to be able to defend from it Like, I hate progamers who cheese like over 1/2 of their games, and I hate that JD can't beat it. Need to look for new favorite progamer, FlaSh!!!!! ... too bad he isn;t good
What the hell are you talking about. Everything you said was gibberish.
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On August 08 2009 23:14 tobi9999 wrote:JD doesn't look as good anymore Where is the JD who would defend cheese like a monster and absolutely destroy noobies with mutalisks. It's gone, JD is begging for standard play now and too mad at cheese to be able to defend from it Like, I hate progamers who cheese like over 1/2 of their games, and I hate that JD can't beat it. Need to look for new favorite progamer, FlaSh!!!!! ... too bad he isn;t good
You're a pathetic excuse for a JD fan, sorry.
On August 08 2009 23:14 jtan wrote:
Fantasy: "before ace match, i avoided being around boxer on purpose and pretended to discuss a lot with oov for the opponent not to suspect (this strategic play)."
omg this is brilliant lol
lol...
god it's so frustrating, fantasy gets so much help with brilliant strategies like this one while jaedong...
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Its funny how you guys are talking about FantaSy cheeses. Its not a cheese that won him the game, it was a really good decision in that map. Jaedong went 9 pool speed which is not really clever given that you call wall off lingtight on medusa but what really costs him the game was losing the overlord and that fantasy didnt show his marines he made from the 8 rax.
Had he shown the Marines from the first barracks Jaedong would have known there are 2 rax and he could have reduced the marine count but when he knew it, he already lost an overlord and it was too late. So please dont say it was a simple cheese, because it was not.
Indeed!!
Jaedong was also setting himself up to effectively "cheese" fantasy with his super fast mutas but hey, he got counter cheesed
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On August 08 2009 23:15 lazz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 23:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Its funny how you guys are talking about FantaSy cheeses. Its not a cheese that won him the game, it was a really good decision in that map. Jaedong went 9 pool speed which is not really clever given that you call wall off lingtight on medusa but what really costs him the game was losing the overlord and that fantasy didnt show his marines he made from the 8 rax.
Had he shown the Marines from the first barracks Jaedong would have known there are 2 rax and he could have reduced the marine count but when he knew it, he already lost an overlord and it was too late. So please dont say it was a simple cheese, because it was not. stating the obvious bro
Is it so obvious yes? Because it seems like people are not getting it. 9 pool speed was the exact counter and he lost, and everyone cries "cheese, cheese"! So if this game and the reason he lost was obvious to you, you are at least C rank on iccup :[!
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On August 08 2009 23:14 tobi9999 wrote:JD doesn't look as good anymore Where is the JD who would defend cheese like a monster and absolutely destroy noobies with mutalisks. It's gone, JD is begging for standard play now and too mad at cheese to be able to defend from it Like, I hate progamers who cheese like over 1/2 of their games, and I hate that JD can't beat it. Need to look for new favorite progamer, FlaSh!!!!! ... too bad he isn;t good
pathetic.
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Friday will be your day to show that u can beat FanTaSy!
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:12 Shuray wrote:
WTF? Fantasy MVP!?!?!?
they got to be kidding...
uhm, he went 3-0 in the final, 2-0 vs jaedong and won ace
of course he must be mvp? lol
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On August 08 2009 23:16 Nylan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 23:14 o[twist] wrote:On August 08 2009 23:14 Nylan wrote:
I feel so bad for Jaedong as a person, I really admire his heart and dedication. However, I'm absolutely ecstatic to see Oz coach's one-dimensional strategy fail. absurd Why? Can't you like a guy that plays for a team that's up against yours?
is there any evidence that oz coach had a "one-dimensional strategy" lol especially after these playoffs
on the contrary i think oz tends to retain too much faith in players as they go downhill.
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On August 08 2009 23:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 23:15 lazz wrote:On August 08 2009 23:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Its funny how you guys are talking about FantaSy cheeses. Its not a cheese that won him the game, it was a really good decision in that map. Jaedong went 9 pool speed which is not really clever given that you call wall off lingtight on medusa but what really costs him the game was losing the overlord and that fantasy didnt show his marines he made from the 8 rax.
Had he shown the Marines from the first barracks Jaedong would have known there are 2 rax and he could have reduced the marine count but when he knew it, he already lost an overlord and it was too late. So please dont say it was a simple cheese, because it was not. stating the obvious bro Is it so obvious yes? Because it seems like people are not getting it. 9 pool speed was the exact counter and he lost, and everyone cries "cheese, cheese"! So if this game and the reason he lost was obvious to you, you are at least C rank on iccup :[!
plexa was right though, it was something like 9pool lair. If he'd had speed first it would have been much closer.
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On August 08 2009 23:17 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 23:12 Shuray wrote:
WTF? Fantasy MVP!?!?!?
they got to be kidding... uhm, he went 3-0 in the final, 2-0 vs jaedong and won ace how can he not be mvp? lol
prolly sarcasm
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On August 08 2009 23:17 GoSu wrote:Friday will be your day to show that u can beat FanTaSy!
this pic sums it up ...
omg its such a great pic
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On August 08 2009 23:18 snarl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 23:17 Carnac wrote:On August 08 2009 23:12 Shuray wrote:
WTF? Fantasy MVP!?!?!?
they got to be kidding... uhm, he went 3-0 in the final, 2-0 vs jaedong and won ace how can he not be mvp? lol prolly sarcasm
or not knowing what mvp means^^
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:18 snarl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 23:17 Carnac wrote:On August 08 2009 23:12 Shuray wrote:
WTF? Fantasy MVP!?!?!?
they got to be kidding... uhm, he went 3-0 in the final, 2-0 vs jaedong and won ace how can he not be mvp? lol prolly sarcasm
sounded more like butt hurt hate to me
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On August 08 2009 23:18 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 23:16 Nylan wrote:On August 08 2009 23:14 o[twist] wrote:On August 08 2009 23:14 Nylan wrote:
I feel so bad for Jaedong as a person, I really admire his heart and dedication. However, I'm absolutely ecstatic to see Oz coach's one-dimensional strategy fail. absurd Why? Can't you like a guy that plays for a team that's up against yours? is there any evidence that oz coach had a "one-dimensional strategy" lol especially after these playoffs on the contrary i think oz tends to retain too much faith in players as they go downhill.
You haven't read many of his interviews, have you?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 08 2009 23:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 23:15 lazz wrote:On August 08 2009 23:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Its funny how you guys are talking about FantaSy cheeses. Its not a cheese that won him the game, it was a really good decision in that map. Jaedong went 9 pool speed which is not really clever given that you call wall off lingtight on medusa but what really costs him the game was losing the overlord and that fantasy didnt show his marines he made from the 8 rax.
Had he shown the Marines from the first barracks Jaedong would have known there are 2 rax and he could have reduced the marine count but when he knew it, he already lost an overlord and it was too late. So please dont say it was a simple cheese, because it was not. stating the obvious bro Is it so obvious yes? Because it seems like people are not getting it. 9 pool speed was the exact counter and he lost, and everyone cries "cheese, cheese"! So if this game and the reason he lost was obvious to you, you are at least C rank on iccup :[!
12pool speed is a better counter imo
and he didn't even go 9pool speed - it was 9pool lair, arguably the worst build he could have done against cheese
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On August 08 2009 23:17 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 23:12 Shuray wrote:
WTF? Fantasy MVP!?!?!?
they got to be kidding... uhm, he went 3-0 in the final, 2-0 vs jaedong and won ace of course he must be mvp? lol
yeah, kinda a question you don't have to ask... XD
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On August 08 2009 23:18 EvoChamber wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 23:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:On August 08 2009 23:15 lazz wrote:On August 08 2009 23:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Its funny how you guys are talking about FantaSy cheeses. Its not a cheese that won him the game, it was a really good decision in that map. Jaedong went 9 pool speed which is not really clever given that you call wall off lingtight on medusa but what really costs him the game was losing the overlord and that fantasy didnt show his marines he made from the 8 rax.
Had he shown the Marines from the first barracks Jaedong would have known there are 2 rax and he could have reduced the marine count but when he knew it, he already lost an overlord and it was too late. So please dont say it was a simple cheese, because it was not. stating the obvious bro Is it so obvious yes? Because it seems like people are not getting it. 9 pool speed was the exact counter and he lost, and everyone cries "cheese, cheese"! So if this game and the reason he lost was obvious to you, you are at least C rank on iccup :[! plexa was right though, it was something like 9pool lair. If he'd had speed first it would have been much closer.
Ye, my bad.
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Fantasy's play was heavily strategic, and far from cheesy.
This wasn't just a canned build that rolls the dice and hopes your opponent plays greedy, it was a superb deception that was obviously prepared specifically for this match, most likely by Boxer himself.
For all intents and purposes, Fantasy faked a fast expo with a wall off perfectly, and Jaedong fell right into his trap. The marines from the hidden rax took Jaedong by complete surprise.
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didnt JD go for his lair before speed?
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At least the second day didn't turn out to be as much of a rape as the first day was. We actually got to see a decent final day with some excitement.
Thanks to everyone who streamed and translated! I'm out
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