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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-08 14:24:17
August 08 2009 14:24 GMT
#2701
On August 08 2009 23:20 barbahaba0 wrote:
?????? that was ugly ending and i hope u loose 0-3 fantasy
to jaedong in the semi finals
and i hope u loose to the rock every time u'll face him
dear god what a dissapointment

you made my brain hurt
You can't fight the feeling.
Murdoink
Profile Joined March 2009
Chile1219 Posts
August 08 2009 14:24 GMT
#2702
On August 08 2009 23:20 barbahaba0 wrote:
?????? that was ugly ending and i hope u loose 0-3 fantasy
to jaedong in the semi finals
and i hope u loose to the rock every time u'll face him
dear god what a dissapointment

great post
SNARF HWAITING
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
August 08 2009 14:24 GMT
#2703
why did they end the stream so quick. the celebration went by like so fast. did they even show trophy and speeches
zimz
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
August 08 2009 14:25 GMT
#2704
balanced cheese
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
August 08 2009 14:25 GMT
#2705
Regardless of whether or not it was 'cheese', it deprived us of an epic game. I would've gone to sleep content if Fantasy had won like he did yesterday in an epic game, but this was just a total anticlimax. Oh well, 7:25 AM, better get some sleep.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
August 08 2009 14:25 GMT
#2706
On August 08 2009 23:22 psion0011 wrote:
Clearly if you attack somebody before 15 minutes it's called cheese.


People constantly pointing out that they think a strategy isn't cheese is becoming just as annoying as anyone saying it is. I don't think hardly anyone was even saying cheese just saying that they were disappointed that it was not a more interesting longer game, but yet people immediately got defensive about it anyway.
MK
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States496 Posts
August 08 2009 14:25 GMT
#2707
btw thx sc2gg yeah and too bad klaz couldn't cast today
Boxer+oOv = Fantasy. The new SKTerran is now alive !
God, so EPIC PL.
The highest knowledge is to know that we are surrounded by mystery
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
August 08 2009 14:26 GMT
#2708
I must say I'm somewhat disappointed in Jaedong. 12 hatch ZvZ vs a clearly inferior player? Not drone scouting vs fantasy, who is Boxer's student already bunker rushed you once the day before? When you're the best, you have to play safer than that, because people aren't going to want to go head-to-head with you in a standard game.
imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
August 08 2009 14:27 GMT
#2709
good job fantasy and skt1 and also hyuk
Least favorite progamers: Leta, Zero, Mind, Shine, free, really <-- newly added
psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
August 08 2009 14:27 GMT
#2710
On August 08 2009 23:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:22 psion0011 wrote:
Clearly if you attack somebody before 15 minutes it's called cheese.


People constantly pointing out that they think a strategy isn't cheese is becoming just as annoying as anyone saying it is. I don't think hardly anyone was even saying cheese just saying that they were disappointed that it was not a more interesting longer game, but yet people immediately got defensive about it anyway.

Hahahahaha are you blind or what? Just scan the last 20 pages or so and you'll see how many times people called out cheese.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
August 08 2009 14:27 GMT
#2711
On August 08 2009 23:26 QuakerOats wrote:
I must say I'm somewhat disappointed in Jaedong. 12 hatch ZvZ vs a clearly inferior player? Not drone scouting vs fantasy, who is Boxer's student already bunker rushed you once the day before? When you're the best, you have to play safer than that, because people aren't going to want to go head-to-head with you in a standard game.

you know how I feel about Bisu's games in this OSL
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Narrator
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States868 Posts
August 08 2009 14:27 GMT
#2712
I need to catch videos of the finals. ahhh

SKT T1 is a better team! woop woop
viewer
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada662 Posts
August 08 2009 14:27 GMT
#2713
On August 08 2009 23:25 Hinanawi wrote:
Regardless of whether or not it was 'cheese', it deprived us of an epic game.


Oh come on it didnt deprive you of anything. It was a clever strat and a smart way to play. Is it a shame it wasnt an epic game? Sure. I was rooting for Oz. But please guys stop trying to take things away from SKT1. What they did was smart and grats to them!
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
August 08 2009 14:28 GMT
#2714
On August 08 2009 23:19 Plutonium wrote:
Fantasy's play was heavily strategic, and far from cheesy.

This wasn't just a canned build that rolls the dice and hopes your opponent plays greedy, it was a superb deception that was obviously prepared specifically for this match, most likely by Boxer himself.

For all intents and purposes, Fantasy faked a fast expo with a wall off perfectly, and Jaedong fell right into his trap. The marines from the hidden rax took Jaedong by complete surprise.

I thought this was a good post

People are talking like Fantasy just used some standard bunker rush or something
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 08 2009 14:28 GMT
#2715
Jaedong learnt something today.
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
August 08 2009 14:28 GMT
#2716
Guys I think KESPA should implement a NR20 rule because obviously any other game isn't worth watching.
Human-Robot
Profile Joined August 2009
United States2 Posts
August 08 2009 14:28 GMT
#2717
"With tears in his eyes, the mighty Lee Jae Dong swallowed, choking up at the inspiring display from his friends. His eyes narrowed as he spotted his next opponent, the mighty Fantasy.

He wouldn't lose this time."
F*CK BUFFER
genryou
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia390 Posts
August 08 2009 14:28 GMT
#2718
I just hope that Jaedong doesnt suffer too much of a shock that he ended up slumping. This match hurt Jaedong so much.
I, Challenge Everything
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
August 08 2009 14:29 GMT
#2719
On August 08 2009 23:22 kerpal wrote:
i think mostly we feel cheated out of another epic game like the first day JD vs fantasy... or pretty much any of the JD vs fantasy games... look through tlpd sometime, whenever these guys meet it's epic... except the grand final.

was an annoyingly clever cheese though!


Actually, the final was an epic game in itself. Look at the speed of Jaedong's reactions when his overlord was sniped by marines. Look at how the lings nearly got into the base. Look at Fantasy when he pulled his SCVs to block the lings and went further to SCV bunker rush him.

Fantasy felt pretty safe pulling a bunker rush. He still had Bisu to back him up on Super Ace and what I think this match was supposed to do was mindfuck Jaedong more than win.

Fantasy pulled off this win perfectly, but the intention was not to win. It was to weaken Jaedong mentality against Bisu. Had Fantasy lost this match, he would have been recorded as the key weapon in defeating Jaedong, by weakening Jaedong so badly Bisu made mincemeat out of him.

Instead, Fantasy won this.

Don't judge Fantasy as relying on the cheese to win. SKT's grand plan always has contingencies and the plan went: "Fantasy will bunker rush Jaedong. He will 1) win or 2) lose but weaken Jaedong enough to let Bisu win".
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
August 08 2009 14:29 GMT
#2720
On August 08 2009 23:22 Alsar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:14 Nylan wrote:
I feel so bad for Jaedong as a person, I really admire his heart and dedication. However, I'm absolutely ecstatic to see Oz coach's one-dimensional strategy fail.

What else can you do as Oz's coach though? I mean he literally has no other options with how his team is. There's no way that he or anyone in his position would risk sending out someone like Hiya or Backho with the shape they are in to win a finals ace match, when you have someone playing so much above them like Jaedong on your team.

Coach Cho's folly isn't that he relies on Jaedong. His folly is that he doesn't play anyone but Jaedong, Backho, Lomo, and HiyA. That's the true problem. It's unlike CJ who plays literally anyone and that's why you having rising stars like Skyhigh, Effort, and Movie (lol, not movie nvm) compared to absolute nobodies like... well, I can't even remember thier names. Except Perfectman. A lot of people here were pretty lax about Perfectman losing to Bisu cheese but if he had played more during PL maybe he would've won the game. If Oz had one more win today and not have required Ace match for set 2, they would've gotten a different map, fantasy might not have been played, and Jaedong could've won it against Bisu. But instead, Perfectman couldn't detect the cheese nor the DT follow-up due to inexperience and it could have cost Oz the gold.
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