EPT[SPL] Playoffs - Hite Sparkyz vs CJ Entus Day 2 - Page 31
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
On July 19 2009 17:26 BanZu wrote: Someone teach me to enjoy ZvZ properly :[ wow, how can you not enjoy a game like Effort vs Yarnc; it was too intense! | ||
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konadora
Singapore66224 Posts
YES CJ <333333333333333 Since I missed the games, I'm going to watch the games soon. Anyone who wanna watch can join me in my stream: http://www.livestream.com/konadora CJ <3 | ||
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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GoSu
Korea (South)1773 Posts
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
gotta hand it to Hite still, with their best player(Leta) going 0-3 and Hite still being almost able to win the whole series.. Leta must feel like shit now after all the "im gonna prove im S-Class talk" :< the superACE match was almost as nice as yesterdays yarnc vs effort, ofcourse the feeling to it was much more great! | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
the super ace match reminds me why starcraft is the best RTS ever | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On July 19 2009 16:39 ccou wrote: Man, I wish there was a Starcraft tv show or manga. I can just imagine Jaedong in a sinisterly dark room watching Effort win and muttering "I'll be waiting." Then it pans to Savior just receiving the news of Khan winning and immediately matched with half panels with FBH. Hahaha, yes! | ||
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dranjam
Poland198 Posts
On July 19 2009 11:35 Zozma wrote: About time for some REVENGE LETA-STYLE Haha. Dissapointment must be killing you. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On July 19 2009 16:39 ccou wrote: Man, I wish there was a Starcraft tv show or manga. I can just imagine Jaedong in a sinisterly dark room watching Effort win and muttering "I'll be waiting." Then it pans to Savior just receiving the news of Khan winning and immediately matched with half panels with FBH. It would be more like Jaedong, the cowl of his dark robes pulled low over his face, looking at Effort vs. Yarnc and saying, "You have not disappointed me, my apprentice." On July 19 2009 17:26 BanZu wrote: Someone teach me to enjoy ZvZ properly :[ Honestly, if that match didn't do it for you, you've got no hope. On July 19 2009 20:15 bao235 wrote: Here it seems that it doesn't matter if you win a match with a good score or a bad score (for instance, 4-2 is not better than 4-3, even though it is). Why is this difficult? It works this way in StarCraft. You don't win more if you beat someone in 5 minutes. You don't win more by having a 30 minute epic duel that uses every expansion on the map. You win the game, you get a win. Period. People may remember the 30 minute epic duel more, but what matters is that you won. Same goes for sets. You win the set, you get a win. Period. CJ won set 1; they get one point. Sparkyz won set 2; they get one point. They weren't playing one gigantic 15 game match; they played 2 sets with a tiebreaker game to determine the winner. On July 19 2009 20:31 infinity2k9 wrote: While yes its the same format as Tennis we all know that does that mean it should be used.. Tennis is 1v1 while this is a team game where every game should count imo. Shouldn't team depth be rewarded rather than coming down to 1 game? STX wiped the floor with Khan second match but in the end it didn't even matter. It did matter; it forced a tiebreaker. If they'd lost set 2, there wouldn't have even been that. And maybe if STX had wiped the floor with Khan in the first set, it wouldn't have had to come down to a tiebreaker. Where was their "depth" then? | ||
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TwoStep
United States294 Posts
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leetchaos
United States395 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On July 20 2009 05:24 NicolBolas wrote: It did matter; it forced a tiebreaker. If they'd lost set 2, there wouldn't have even been that. And maybe if STX had wiped the floor with Khan in the first set, it wouldn't have had to come down to a tiebreaker. Where was their "depth" then? Do you believe STX is infact the weaker and less deep team then? To me and i think most people, would agree that they outplayed them and its a shame that it went down to a single ace match and 1 clever build order win from 2 whole bo7s. I don't particularly think its unfair just a shame that STX didn't go through. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On July 20 2009 07:03 infinity2k9 wrote: Do you believe STX is infact the weaker and less deep team then? If the Proleague rules existed to only allow the team with the most depth to progress, then they would have rules that prevent you from using your top 2 KeSPA ranked players outside of ace matches or something. Or playoff matches would be one big 15-game series with a single ace match rather than 2 sets + a tiebreaker. Or, rather than scoring points, every regular season Proleague win/loss would be tallied up to determine the standings, rather than having matches as a Bo5 where each Bo5 win/loss is tallied (so that 3-2 wins are less significant than 3-0 wins). None of these are the rules. The Proleague isn't about which team is the absolute deepest. As with any other sporting event, it's about winning, on that day, with what you have. Khan beat STX on day 1. That put them down. It doesn't matter how Khan beat them; it doesn't detract from Khan's victory on day 1 that it was 4-3. Khan got 4 wins, so they win the set. If you want to argue that each individual match win/loss should be tallied and accumulated, go ahead. There are sports where they use a point system like that. I personally prefer things as they are, where minor details like whether a particular match was 3-2 or 4-3 can be ignored in favor of the team's victory. It is, after all, a team game. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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Lebesgue
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Or freaking play 3 bo7. Samsung got outplayed on the 2nd day by a team of STX not an individual player. Now Khan advances because of individual player, Jangbi, who was able to win the "super ace-match". Khan advanced even though they went 6-7 over two days (5-7 if don't count super ace match that in my opinion shouldn't have taken place). So which team was better? And before someone will flame me, I don't particularly ether team but think that STX deserved more to advance. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On July 20 2009 19:51 infinity2k9 wrote: You don't need to have such a long post to explain the rules again we all get the rules, and you didn't answer the question anyway. The question assumes that I believe that the deepest team should advance. The Proleague rules as they currently stand provide a pretty reasonable balance between team depth and individual greatness. Two Bo7's is strongly biased in favor of team depth. The Super-Ace match is biased in favor of individual greatness. A deep team should be able to win 2 Bo7's against a significantly less deep team. The idea of the Super-Ace match is that it allows the not-quite-as-deep team to be able to compete. | ||
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TwoStep
United States294 Posts
On July 20 2009 07:03 infinity2k9 wrote: Do you believe STX is infact the weaker and less deep team then? To me and i think most people, would agree that they outplayed them and its a shame that it went down to a single ace match and 1 clever build order win from 2 whole bo7s. I don't particularly think its unfair just a shame that STX didn't go through. STX is definitely the deeper team. Are they a weaker team? Probably not. Does this format give STX less chance to move on? No, it helps them, I already did the calculations. Most people's complaints are that 1 game shouldn't decide an entire series. But they need to bear in mind that this format actually gives STX a better chance to move on so if they complain, they can't say how the format or the 1 game made it more flukey. No, STX underperformed in the first series, losing to great x2, miracle, and jangbi. They sure as hell did not "outplay" Khan in the first series or in the ace match. Note, I'm saying that complaining that the entire 2 Bo7s shouldn't be decided on one match is a fair opinion, but saying that it allowed Khan to fluke their way to the next round is incorrect, biased, and just wrong. Guess what? The deepest or strongest team doesn't always win. There's a reason the games are played, we don't see a match like Ganzi vs JD or Effort vs Iron and just give the win to them. | ||
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