[SPL] SK Telecom T1 vs CJ Entus - Page 7

On July 05 2009 10:58 SuperArc wrote:


I am sure you were one of those SKT>all in WL.

On July 05 2009 11:03 Djabanete wrote:


I'm talking about players who "have a realistic shot", not who would be favored against, an A-class gamer. More to the point, I think I was fairly even-handed in my estimation of the various teams; although I included some weak players on KTF (nothing gets past you), I was generous to the other teams as well. For example, I gave SKT Best and TheZerg, who are both struggling to break even in recent games. Really, unless you think I'm being biased I don't know what you're trying to say.

On July 05 2009 11:09 FragKrag wrote:


STX: Shuttle really can't do much :<
OZ: Lomo? Really? He really isn't that great.
Khan: Jangbi in his current condition really can't take anybody.
SKT: TheZerg kinda sucks atm, not sure about him.
Hite: type-b? Where did that come from? I guess he can take down stork and BeSt, though that's all.
KT: forGG, sure, but he's wildly inconsistent, Lux is inconsistent, Hoejja is just bad, Tempest is bad when he doesn't cheese, and that makes him passable.

On July 05 2009 11:03 Djabanete wrote:


I'm talking about players who "have a realistic shot", not who would be favored against, an A-class gamer. More to the point, I think I was fairly even-handed in my estimation of the various teams; although I included some weak players on KTF (nothing gets past you), I was generous to the other teams as well. For example, I gave SKT Best and TheZerg, who are both struggling to break even in recent games. Really, unless you think I'm being biased I don't know what you're trying to say.

On July 05 2009 11:12 DreaM)XeRO wrote:


read Djabanete's reply



NOT WHO WILL WIN vs an A class
but.. who has the 10% outside chance. The dark horse.
The Hoejja > Bisu.

On July 05 2009 17:26 Sosha wrote:
so i mean..
when's this being played?!!?

I thought it was sometime soon - Porleague was supposed to be played Saturday too and it was played early Saturday morning - This supposed to be played Saturday too and normally played about this time, early in the morning - even though it's Sunday atm.. but no news of it going on..

results!?

gL

On July 05 2009 11:22 Djabanete wrote:


Exactly what I mean; Bisu is the better player by far, but if a team can field a six-man line-up whose weakest link is Hoejja, they are setting themselves up to get lucky.

On July 05 2009 10:46 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

ForGG in last 10 = 4W 6L
Luxury in last 10 = 5W 5L
Hojja in last 10 = 3 W 7 L
Tempest in last 10 = 6 W 4 L ( suprised here )

ForGG and Lux have been slumping hard as of late, and Hoejja sucks in any matchup outside of ZvP and on the map Destination. tempest rarely gets any PL time b/c of Violet

On July 06 2009 11:35 fusionsdf wrote:


which is great, but really blurs the line between teams with real depth, and those who kind of have depth.

For example CJ vs KT

Effort/Flash, sKyHigh/Violet <- At this point its pretty even with perhaps a slight edge to KT
much/forgg, iris/luxury <- here it starts to break down
kwanro/hoejja, savior/tempest <- here it really really breaks down.

While both teams have 6 players who have a chance of winning vs A class players, CJ has a much stronger 6 man roster.

As an addendum, I would almost certainly pick hite as a deeper team than KT even with one less player listed on your chart

On July 06 2009 12:58 FranzF1 wrote:
Ez one for CJ:
SkyHigh < fantasy
Iris > Best
Snow > Bisu
SaviOr > Hyuk

=P
I believe in Snow... (I believe more in Bisu incapacity to adapt to new players with 0 televised match)
That kind of player is hard

On July 06 2009 12:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:


Yeah.

That list is kind of lame though. You seemed to list every KT player versus their worst match up for those odd brackets (Hoejja vs Z, Savior ZvPing, ForGG tvp, Luxury ZvT, Flash TvZ, Violet PvT).

They aren't all the best match up for CJ but that list seems off. I know I'm a KT fan so I might sound a little bias but if you rearrange that list it comes out looking a lot better. Stuff like Hoejja vs Savior, Tempest vs Kwanro, Lux vs Much and ForGG vs Iris would look a lot better.

Just a nitpick though. It's not worth arguing that CJ has more realized depth than KT -- it's obviously true. KT just has and always will be the best team on paper/in theory/potentially. I think they'd make a good finals showing if only because their team, individually, has a pretty strong record against Zergs -- especially non-S class or S-Class MU zergs (Jaedong is S-Class, Yarnc is S-Class ZvT, July is s-class ZvP, etc).