you know, of all people i really do admire saviors games. yes, hes been lacking here and there and there will always be people taunting him and saying how bad he is, how he fails people betting on him, etc, excuses, but seriously. 2009 isnt over, i can still see him tearing up PL. hopefully he wins this tonight, if not, no big deal. 2010 isnt here yet. ZvZ has always been saviors worst MU but i believe still.

il0seonpurpose

Korea (South)5638 Posts

July 03 2009 03:34 GMT

#25

Wow SKT is a good team but they have no depth at all, Fantasy, Bisu, and Best. All well, FTW

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

July 03 2009 03:34 GMT

#26

On July 03 2009 11:34 Roffles wrote:

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What's so interesting from T1? Seems like the standard Bisu/Best/Fantasy/Zerg combo they've been using for a while, except lately Best has been changing in and out with Canata.

I find it interesting that T1 is sending out Hyuk rather than TheZerg, which is their top Zerg imo. Other than that it's totally standard. You can see CJ isn't as desperate for the win as SKT is: they've already secured their playoff spot, but don't have any hopes of finishing first or second. The difference of ending up anywhere between 3rd and 6th is small, so rather than send out their big guns, they're giving other players like Snow a chance to play.

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

July 03 2009 03:46 GMT

#27

On July 03 2009 12:34 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Wow SKT is a good team but they have no depth at all, Fantasy, Bisu, and Best. All well, FTW

There's not many teams out there with significantly more depth than SKT1. fantasy is good, Bisu is amazing, BeSt is good as long as he's not playing vZ, Canata is good, and both their Zerg mainstays Hyuk and TheZerg are okay.

STX and CJ might have more depth. Most other teams have less depth than SKT, in fact. Of the teams that can qualify in the top 6...

Hwaseung will suffer in a Bo7 if they have to field up to 6 different players- they have four solid players, but everyone else is terrible.
Hite has comparable depth to SKT.
KT's depth depends a lot on whether Luxury and fOrGG feel like sucking on any particular day.
CJ and STX have the greatest depth out of all the teams.
KHAN's depth is so bad that even as they're desperately trying to claw their way into the playoffs, they're fielding Miracle with a 3-9 lifetime record.

tl;dr: SKT's depth is fine.

EDIT: Holy crap I'm a Zealot now!

FranzF1

Chile1710 Posts

July 03 2009 04:07 GMT

#28

Mae Bonjwa!...
=P
Good lineups for both teams, lets hope for good matches.
Snow is a new player but if he is better than Movie we shall see one hell of PvP

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

July 03 2009 04:35 GMT

#29

On July 03 2009 13:07 FranzF1 wrote:
Snow is a new player but if he is better than Movie we shall see one hell of PvP

Assuming he's comfortable with playing onstage. Last time he did so was on 2008 I believe.

DrTJEckleburg

United States1080 Posts

July 03 2009 04:44 GMT

#30

Just don't spoil the games from the other match this time please Dream :|

It'll be interesting to see Snow playing though, can't wait.

Kentor

United States5784 Posts

July 03 2009 05:05 GMT

#31

On July 03 2009 12:34 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Wow SKT is a good team but they have no depth at all, Fantasy, Bisu, and Best. All well, FTW

wtf? say that to teams like KT. even Oz is getting a bit better. SKT is some where in the middle when in comes to depth. Also I don't see why you don't list Canata. If anything Canata > Best at the moment. And of course STX and CJ would be at the top.

DreaM)XeRO

Korea (South)4667 Posts

July 03 2009 05:18 GMT

#32

On July 03 2009 12:34 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Wow SKT is a good team but they have no depth at all, Fantasy, Bisu, and Best. All well, FTW

..not at all. They might not have the depth CJ has, but the players that they CAN feild are at a higher level than anyteam in the league. In a BO7 format, teams like CJ, SKT and STX will shine, while teams like KT, HITE, OZ and Khan will fail.

SKT has Bisu, BeST, Canata and Fantasy all of whom have the capability to take games off of A-S class players. Given that BeST doesn't play vs Z, that lineup in itself is almost an auto-win. Throw in Thezerg (who isnt REALLY that bad) and Hyuk, you have a lineup that could possibly win the PL grand finals.

Teams like Oz and Hite that rely on 1-2 "good" players are gonna die in a bo7. In a bo5 you can hope another player pulls a game, but in a bo7, you need at least 3 players winning their games. Oz has notorious for only haveing JD. Hite only has Leta.. ( i guess you could add Yarnc to this list)

FragKrag

United States11549 Posts

July 03 2009 05:21 GMT

#33

I think SKTT1 has this because I don't see an Effort from CJ

konadora

Singapore66145 Posts

July 03 2009 05:29 GMT

#34

SKT1 has a ton of unlocked potential

Blasphemy, I say!

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

July 03 2009 06:00 GMT

#35

On July 03 2009 14:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Teams like Oz and Hite that rely on 1-2 "good" players are gonna die in a bo7. In a bo5 you can hope another player pulls a game, but in a bo7, you need at least 3 players winning their games. Oz has notorious for only haveing JD. Hite only has Leta.. ( i guess you could add Yarnc to this list)

I have to disagree with you on Hite. They have:

Leta, their Ace player
go.go, who's been having a comeback lately
HoGiL, an unspectacular Zerg who is statistically better than Hyuk
Horang2, a competent protoss
YellOw[ArnC], who's been racking up a lot of wins lately
type-b, who's been tearing up the OSL against the likes of Pure, BeSt and Stork

Hite is definitely not a team lacking in depth. KHAN is probably the one that is worst off out of all the teams that can qualify for the playoffs.

Kentor

United States5784 Posts

July 03 2009 06:07 GMT

#36

SKT must win for #1 spot. If anyone drops a game, i must cheer for Hyuk over savior :p

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

July 03 2009 06:12 GMT

#37

On July 03 2009 15:07 Kentor wrote:
SKT must win for #1 spot. If anyone drops a game, i must cheer for Hyuk over savior :p

And even if SKT wins both of their remaining sets (the one against KT will be fierce), they still need Hwaseung to drop a set to get that #1 spot- and they only have KHAN, ACE and MBC left to face.

Hwaseung will finish first, more likely than not.

rredtooth

5459 Posts

July 03 2009 06:17 GMT

#38

On July 03 2009 14:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

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honestly... you are being very biased.

Canata truly does suck (even at TvT, his single 'good' matchup) and his individual league qualification doesn't really change that fact. Best is now bad enough that Kingdom quit. Fantasy and Bisu are solid. So SKT has 2 truly great players. Who is SK going to use for its first 6 games after Bisu, Best, Canata, Fantasy have played? TheZerg? Hyuk? ... Midas?

On the other hand, you make Hite (Leta, Yarnc, Horang2, Type-B, go.go, Hogil) and Oz (JD, Lomo, Hyuk, Backho) sound way worse than they really are.

Avidkeystamper

United States8552 Posts

July 03 2009 06:19 GMT

#39

Hwaseung has a plausible chance of losing vs Khan, especially since FBH has had some flashes of his old brilliance lately. I don't see any chance of them losing vs ACE or MBC, though.
I don't see SKT dropping this set so they need Hwaseung to drop vs Khan (plausible) and have favorable draws against KT or have KT players suck and they'll probably be 1st.

Kaolla

China2999 Posts

July 03 2009 06:52 GMT

#40

On July 03 2009 15:17 redtooth wrote:

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You can't be serious, Leta is good, Yarnc is ok, the rest is soso. At Oz JD is good, Backho is ok, rest sux...

As for this match, SKT should win it easily, CJ just isnt as strong anymore these days... Just 1 good player left (maybe 2 if skyhigh would perform) but the rest is just slightly above avg at best >_<;