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I don't see how you can change it to a tournament format without having a poll or something. People who want a ladder have no reason to bitch. People who want a tourney do; I mean, if it was tourney format to begin with, you would prob have the same amount, if not more, bitching about it being tourney format...
If you're just looking for something to do, do something that isn't counter productive. People bitched about the maps, but 3 or so of the current wcg maps were put into the poll, and wouldn't you know, they all got a lot of votes...
Using a small sample size to determine big things just seems like you want to justify having w/e position you have.
Instead of changing things that have yet to be determined what the majority wants, focus on things you know the majority wants, or find out first...
How about lan lat? I feel like a fool for playing WCG.
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Thank you.
I am on it. Everybody else please do the same!
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I'm registered on wcgzone.com, wcg.com, and us.wcg.com but I never receive the emails you guys all get. What site are they sent through?
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On April 17 2009 13:33 Laurent wrote:
AttackZerg,
You should submit support questions on the WCGZone site. It is run by Korea and all answer are given by Korea. If they see that everyone is complaining, then you would think that they would make an adjustment to their rule of GamOn only, or they would add Lan Latency immediately.
why would they listen to a bunch of random people off the site more than they would listen to you guys?
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If I ordered a burger and flipped out and said it was wrong and the guy behind the counter said "Thats what you ordered' and I called over the manager who is he going to side with?
I worked at two fast food joints and the answer was always 'the customer'.
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If you have half the qualifiers be tourney format, and the other half be ladder format (alternate each qualifier), and you implement lan lat -- then I think any sensible person would be happy with that. And for the following year(s), if you wanted to only do it one way, you would have a more accurate gauge of what the majority of the community wants..
The tournament format didn't work for me last year, though maybe things would be different this year. Maybe the ladder wouldn't run smoothly this year.
Anyways, just my 2 cents.
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On April 17 2009 13:52 AttackZerg wrote:
If I ordered a burger and flipped out and said it was wrong and the guy behind the counter said "Thats what you ordered' and I called over the manager who is he going to side with?
I worked at two fast food joints and the answer was always 'the customer'.
but we arent disagreeing. the admins go to them and say 'all the customers want lan latency' and they blow it off, not too optimistic that a few people writing in on their site is gonna change much.
and the fast food join operates on the desire to make people happy so they spend more money. wcg doesnt seem all that concerned with the satisfaction of the players.
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On April 17 2009 13:56 MachineHead wrote:
If you have half the qualifiers be tourney format, and the other half be ladder format (alternate each qualifier), and you implement lan lat -- then I think any sensible person would be happy with that. And for the following year(s), if you wanted to only do it one way, you would have a more accurate gauge of what the majority of the community wants..
The tournament format didn't work for me last year, though maybe things would be different this year. Maybe the ladder wouldn't run smoothly this year.
Anyways, just my 2 cents.
you're pretty much the only person who's really bitching about the format.
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I just found out it was tourney format like a hour ago? I bet chosen is really looking forward to having to wonder if he is going to have a fair shot at qualifying this year. Unless you have found out first hand that you can't expect a fairly ran tourney, then there is not a lot of reason to complain about a tourney format that hasn't even been announced....
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given the amount of shitheads amongst the 3rd tier american players a ladder is really not a good option at all, especially since they removed the offline qualifiers completely (right? i think i heard that somewhere)
do you really want spades and lastshadow and game taking up spots in the national finals and then not showing cuz they all freewinned and hacked their way through a ladder?
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It's a good point. But my point has been that the ladder format allows you more time to look for abuse. For instance, in a tourney format, someone could have their friend play their games for them, and before you even know it, you are out of luck. Not saying that will happen, simply an example that the more time you have to analyze, then the better off you will be.
Your message kinda brings up the question of "do you ban known to be recent hackers/cheaters?" Whether it is viable or right or not, I don't know. But, it prob should be up for debate at least.
I think if you do it half and half (format wise), and you give admins a heads up on who to "watch out for," it will work out.
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what?
that did happen, and people got caught for it. replays and hotkey analysis. with proper admins that kind of thing is basically impossible in a tournament. no matter how well you set up the rules and who you have in charge theres always gonna be the potential for abuse on a ladder, and with shitty software like gamon as the only antihack theres no guarantee there either.
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exactly. ya Chosen did get gayed, and some people did in the tournament style, but it's MUCH better than the ladder for all the reasons I said before and IdrA is saying (probably better) now.
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What I'm saying is, by the time that person gets caught, you have already loss. It's not like they are just going to give you a qualifying spot, unless it happened in the final 4 or 2.
I don't look at bw chart after my games, I don't know USA gamers hotkeys... I don't know why the admin would either. Last year, the only person who viewed the replays were the admin(s) (if they even watched...).
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and chosen didnt even get cheated by the format, just by bad admins.
the only real problem with a tournament style is if players are seeded poorly and 2 people who deserve to advance meet before the double elim stage
(which again could be solved by competent admins. why is incontrol not running this?)
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Idra,
Its basically more power in numbers. Right now its 2 people telling them to fix all this shit. If its 100 more people telling them, maybe they'll finally believe the 2 people.
You tell InControl to not play in any of the qualifiers, and give up being a player, then by all means I'll invite him to the staff. Its called conflict of interest. No matter how much you try to defend him, noone in their right mind is going to allow any participant of an event to admin the same event.
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On April 17 2009 14:40 MachineHead wrote:
What I'm saying is, by the time that person gets caught, you have already loss. It's not like they are just going to give you a qualifying spot, unless it happened in the final 4 or 2.
I don't look at bw chart after my games, I don't know USA gamers hotkeys... I don't know why the admin would either. Last year, the only person who viewed the replays were the admin(s) (if they even watched...).
you can have someone play for you on a ladder too, if you cant recognize a smurf or hotkey signatures you're not gonna catch someone whether you have 1 or 50 replays to look at.
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I sent another email to my contact asking for lan latency (as well as 1k other words describing the urgency)
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On April 17 2009 14:41 Laurent wrote:
Idra,
Its basically more power in numbers. Right now its 2 people telling them to fix all this shit. If its 100 more people telling them, maybe they'll finally believe the 2 people.
You tell InControl to not play in any of the qualifiers, and give up being a player, then by all means I'll invite him to the staff. Its called conflict of interest. No matter how much you try to defend him, noone in their right mind is going to allow any participant of an event to admin the same event.
but those 2 people are the people in charge, and they represent the other 100. if the organization is disregarding them theres something seriously wrong. why cant you just blow them off and run the tournament yourself and tell them 'ok these people won'? in the end thats all that matters anyway.
artosis plays in half the scforall events he admins and theyre basically the smoothest run things foreign sc has seen in forever.
'invite him to staff' he wouldnt be the only one with power. just use common sense. have another staff member handle any decision that directly applies to him.
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You rock geoff.
Tomarrow I'll spend some time with spell check and try to articulate myself well working the other angle !
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