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On April 16 2009 14:10 {88}iNcontroL wrote:GamOn / WCGZone are NOT competitors with ICCUP because Gamon and WCGZone are used specifically once a year for a single event while ICCUP runs year long and has a completely separate purpose/goal than WCG's "ladders." Laurent  If they were really competitors than WCG would have implemented a LAN Latency. Not having that and calling yourself a competitor is like fielding a coed childrens soccer team against the nation of Spain.
THIS......
LAN LATENCY IS A MUST...
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I have played in WCG competitions since 2001, been to 7 national finals, been invited to the grand finals 3 times.
and WCG USA is getting worse and worse every year.
allow me to state simple musts for this competition:
1) lan latency
2) an organized website (note that right now, when you enter "west" registration for starcraft, you actually sign up for the EAST tournaments.)
3) an up to date anti-hack launcher that runs cleanly (GamOn crashes regularly)
4) an efficient laddering/rating system
5) clear, CONSISTENT posts of what the maps are (more modern maps are desirable)
Laurent, if these 5 are not addressed, WCG USA is simply not a competitive tournament. The current state of WCG USA is an undeniable insult to the competitive community.
get it fixed
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On April 16 2009 14:10 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Not having that and calling yourself a competitor is like fielding a coed childrens soccer team against the nation of Spain.
I loled.
But yeah, WCG USA consistently goes down hill and it's getting worse and worse. Please fix it before it's completely abandoned.
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honestly i'm getting incredibly upset and angry. the competitive gaming community has SUCH passion and WCG half asses it every time
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I dont understand why WCG doesnt just have the gaming community help/staff WCG usa.
Seems the obvious solution. There are plenty of members,even on TL alone that would be willing to go work behind the scenes and/or go to the events for very very little compensation as long as too much wasn't asked of any one person.
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Last year, WCG emailed me slog, lastgosu and a random player who wasn't very good for our tournament final. It was the final tournament for our region and we were the top 4 players. The email said it was going to take place at like 2:00pm EST. Me slog and lastgosu showed up at 2:00pm EST only to find out that the random player had tooken a w/o by showing up 1 hour early. The referee said oh well sence you're here early I'll just give you the win. WCG is being run by fools who want it to end quickly.
get it fixed +1
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On April 16 2009 11:13 Laurent wrote:
Just to clarify for everyone,
ICCUP is considered a direct competitor of GamOn/WCGZone.
lul wut? if so its np for us )
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On April 16 2009 14:46 Day[9] wrote:
I have played in WCG competitions since 2001, been to 7 national finals, been invited to the grand finals 3 times.
and WCG USA is getting worse and worse every year.
allow me to state simple musts for this competition:
1) lan latency
2) an organized website (note that right now, when you enter "west" registration for starcraft, you actually sign up for the EAST tournaments.)
3) an up to date anti-hack launcher that runs cleanly (GamOn crashes regularly)
4) an efficient laddering/rating system
5) clear, CONSISTENT posts of what the maps are (more modern maps are desirable)
Laurent, if these 5 are not addressed, WCG USA is simply not a competitive tournament. The current state of WCG USA is an undeniable insult to the competitive community.
get it fixed
Amen
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I really hope something productive comes out of all of this.
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On April 16 2009 14:46 Day[9] wrote:
I have played in WCG competitions since 2001, been to 7 national finals, been invited to the grand finals 3 times.
and WCG USA is getting worse and worse every year.
allow me to state simple musts for this competition:
1) lan latency
2) an organized website (note that right now, when you enter "west" registration for starcraft, you actually sign up for the EAST tournaments.)
3) an up to date anti-hack launcher that runs cleanly (GamOn crashes regularly)
4) an efficient laddering/rating system
5) clear, CONSISTENT posts of what the maps are (more modern maps are desirable)
Laurent, if these 5 are not addressed, WCG USA is simply not a competitive tournament. The current state of WCG USA is an undeniable insult to the competitive community.
get it fixed
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On April 16 2009 11:13 Laurent wrote:
Just to clarify for everyone,
ICCUP is considered a direct competitor of GamOn/WCGZone.
Best quote ever.
This really made my day. At first I intended to explain to dear Mr. Laurent how stupid this is. Then I realised that it would be the same as explaining a good joke to someone who just didn't get it, it would just ruin it all.
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So I just got a new email saying we can go ahead and re register for 1 tourney.. it is now tourney format and not ladder.
Is it true we can only sign up for 1 at a time now? I couldn't find more links to others.. so we just gonna sign up 1 at a time?
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So where do you actually sign up for the tourney? And did they tell you what time this one will play at?
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Geoff - WCG Korea believes that ICCUP is a direct competitor. And for WCG thats all that matters to them. Korea is aware of Lan Latency being necessary but feels there are more pressing issues with GamOn that need to be addressed first.
Sean - WCG USA is only responsible for us.wcg.com - the rest of your complaints need to be directed towards WCG Korea. Ive said it over and over - any Q&A you submit on the WCGZone goes straight to the people who are making all the decisions that all of you dont like.
Lord_of_Chaos - your comment was pointless. I was simply stating why WCG Korea says that Gamon is a recquirement versus the option of using ICCUP.
All other WCG qualifiers have these same rules implemented on them. But no other WCG country has as long of a qualifier stage than the US. Most other WCG countries only do one big final event.
We have decided to change the format of the qualifiers to a bracket style instead of a ladder because of all of your complaints. The email is letting you know to resign up for qualifier #1 if you want to participate in it. You can sign up for as many qualifiers as you like.
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Thanks for the update. I think this tournament format is better than the ladder one. I'd rather play it all in one sitting on a weekend or something though but w/e. I think it's pretty hard for most people to be free every single night of the week Mon-Fri to play their one bo3.
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actually almost all big countries have qualifying events leading up to the national finals and they never seem to have near as many problems as wcg usa, ive never even heard them talk about gamon. some countries have offline qualifiers, some have online tournaments, some ladders, all different formats and rules and whatnot, all set by the national organizations. if wcg korea is so powerful that you have to bow down to them in the face of all these obvious problems, how come theres not more regularity among all the other wcgs? they just happen to make wcg usa their bitch and let everyone else do whatever they want?
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WCG USA is run by ICM , who happens to be the same company that runs Korea.
No other country has an ICM branch. All other countries are run by SP's.
SP's are not recquired to follow the rules to the letter.
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laurent,
I appreciate that you are spending the time to understand the points and attempt to amend some of the series problems.
What exactly can 'we' meaning players who are already signed up for tournament that are upcomming due to fix these main points.
Lan latency. Iccup isn't lan latency, chaos launcher is. Chaos launcher works on (I believe) every machine except mac and was made independent of any possible competitor to wcg korea. Is this a symantical argument of using gameon versus a reliable program that provides the needed antihack AND lanlatency features.
Every other point can be addressed later. What steps can I, we do, to ensure fair play on the most competetive footing (lan latency).
Please direct our attention exactly where it needs to be. An organized and polite movement has a much higher chance of achieving real results.
Thank you,
Attackzerg (wcg id iamazerguser)
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AttackZerg,
You should submit support questions on the WCGZone site. It is run by Korea and all answer are given by Korea. If they see that everyone is complaining, then you would think that they would make an adjustment to their rule of GamOn only, or they would add Lan Latency immediately.
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