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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
Maps don't need to be hosted by battle.net. Provide a zipped pack of official WCG maps and have them available for download. Enforce rules that are already in place stating WCG games must be played on these official maps. laurent - don't you think you are obligated to maintain professionalism here? incontrol isn't working for your organization, he's just a player expressing his opinions on our forum. YOU are an official representative, and you're showing a distinct lack of class that is easily mistaken for apathy about the people you are supposed to be accomodating. It saddens me as a proponent of eSports that we lack for a substantial alternative to WCG, given the care put into its organization. A little research would go a long way. | ||
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soudo
603 Posts
Sorry, but when just a few TL staff members can organize TSL (arguably the most successful non-Korean league) without compensation and other real full-time life obligations, it makes this guy look like a total dimwit. I mean honestly, "I have to wait for a response"? So what, you just sit there and twiddle your thumbs until someone gives you directions? | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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Laurent
United States182 Posts
Incontrol stated earlier in this post that he does work for WCG as a contractor and replay reviewer. Yea you're right i crossed the line in my frustration and I apologize for lashing out at Geoff. I am not being apathetic and have been trying to help, with communication to the higher ups and getting things changed, but this is a long battle that has been fought for many years with no real resolution in sight. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
quote me where I say I work for wcg as a "contractor" and "replay reviewer" WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN? PS: I just reread my thread "WCG: Evolution" as that was my other big post in regard to WCG and I state that they need to compile offline/online replays and host them on the website for more hits/better coverage.. but that HARDLY makes me claiming to be a "replay reviewer" contracted by wcg. Dude.. you are flat out LYING or propagating misinformation without even doing minimal research. This is a forum.. if I said it you can quote it. If you are inventing this (which you are) you are doing it in a ludicrously bad way.. we ALL can see it  | ||
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Laurent
United States182 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=90646 "correct BUT I SHOULD GET THIS OUT THERE I am consulting for wcg and if any hacking/abusing goes on they have told me they will go with my word 100%.. no bullshit this year guys. You will be banned and black balled. This doesn't mean dino/LS are banned.. they have proven they can play legit and will be given a chance just like anyone else. But if any fishy shit goes on I will be the go-to guy this year and no language barrier, stupid ass rule or complaining email to paul brewer will save you this time." | ||
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Tyrant
Korea (South)234 Posts
On April 17 2009 17:21 Laurent wrote: Incontrol stated earlier in this post that he does work for WCG as a contractor and replay reviewer. You're wrong, but does it really matter? Working with is not the same as working for. I can't believe you're dragging this out. I would think after you read the first reply when you got off topic with the clear abundance of drama you'd realize that maybe you should go back to being the calm, concise, straight to the point type of guy you started out as in this thread. Incompetence in organization is something you can pass blame to WCG Korea, but you can't pass blame for your unprofessionalism on a public forum. If you're not going to do anything then don't, but stop wasting your time/energy/resources arguing semantics on the forums so I can go back to pretending like you give a fuck. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On April 17 2009 17:21 Laurent wrote: Steve, Incontrol stated earlier in this post that he does work for WCG as a contractor and replay reviewer. Yea you're right i crossed the line in my frustration and I apologize for lashing out at Geoff. I am not being apathetic and have been trying to help, with communication to the higher ups and getting things changed, but this is a long battle that has been fought for many years with no real resolution in sight. My suggestion to you is to outline a clear plan and simply ask for approval. I know how the corporate world works (I'm deeply entrenched in it myself), so I understand the troubles you're having. It's always better to provide solutions than to ask for them. 1) Enforce the use of Chaoslauncher, a free, wide-spread program that enables LAN latency on battle.net. We can host the download here if your superiors are picky enough about cost to worry about that part of it. 2) Select maps chosen by the players (such as in the poll Geoff created - this sample includes both players and spectators, providing a view of what the community as a whole wants to see. All the maps proposed by Geoff will be accepted by the players without a fuss). If necessary I can send a full pack of these maps to you so you don't have to go digging. We have mapmakers here that will gladly give them the aesthetic updates necessary for use in WCG official play for free. We're a dedicated community that is entirely at your disposal if you are trying to make our experience with the game better. 3) Enforce a ruleset that is current and up-to-date. Geoff or anyone else well-established in this community can help you with this, quickly and entirely willingly. Make sure your referees (both offline and on) are well-versed in these rules so you avoid debacles like games disconnecting and a win being assigned based on a higher point total or something equally irrelevant. Put these together in a document and send them to your boss for approval, you will get much better results. If you're already doing this, well, that's great. | ||
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Diggity
United States806 Posts
Incontrol: can you provide me a direction to flow this traffic? FakeSteve I am going to borrow your listing. Hopefully with an iterated unified message we can shake things up a bit. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
Maybe the argument between Laurent and incontrol is a cleverly woven web of fabrication designed to fool us into getting off our asses O_O | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Laurent: Saying I "consult" is COMPLETELY different from saying I am "contracted." One implies what I do, which is offer advice and give them ideas.. the other is a paid circumstance where I provide a service. I am not paid. I never claimed to be. You were wrong. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Laurent
United States182 Posts
http://wis.wcg.com/cs/cs_mailsend_pop.asp?team=ZCM70 http://www.wcgzone.com/WCGZone/common/HP_Qna_Register.aspx http://www.wcgzone.com/WCGZone/forum/FR_Topic_List.aspx?roomno=58 | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
I think once SC2 comes out with a lot of help from Blizzard stuff like this will definitely start to change. But for now, we must deal with these idiots. | ||
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Diggity
United States806 Posts
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On April 17 2009 18:08 {88}iNcontroL wrote: diggity: I really don't know actually. I just email people directly but that isn't for the public. Laurent has been saying there is a complaint section on the website.. I haven't looked but it should be fairly present. Laurent also says they really do listen there.. so maybe that will do something. Laurent: Saying I "consult" is COMPLETELY different from saying I am "contracted." One implies what I do, which is offer advice and give them ideas.. the other is a paid circumstance where I provide a service. I am not paid. I never claimed to be. You were wrong. incontrol you are aware that to people in professional fields/real life being a consultant does NOT mean you give free advice and ideas, right? | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On April 17 2009 19:05 NoobsOfWrath wrote: incontrol you are aware that to people in professional fields/real life being a consultant does NOT mean you give free advice and ideas, right? a consultant assesses a situation and provides feedback or insight on how to do said situation better, more efficient, etc. sometimes for a nominal fee. let's not get into semantics here. | ||
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
Ok, I have sent a PM to laurent and I will try and help out WCG as much as humanly possible. I have not been able to be active due to a broken computer and my skill is probably not up to par for me to qualify for an event so I will gladly sit out this year to help make WCG not a total mess. I have competed in WCG the past four years and saw its horrible track record. I am fairly in tune with the community and have seen Starcraft from all angles and aspects. I am a member of ytech (NrG), have been in the west clan Neo.G, and even seen the depths of hell as a member of X17. I actually visited the wcg finals last year and had a blast meeting some cool people as well as learning a few things and since my skill and computer will not let me participate, I will try to help the tournament. Inc if theirs any word you can put it to help me expidite this process and help me help bridge the gap between wcg usa and its players asap let me know. I will do anything needed to help the community and make wcg anticipated for once instead of dreaded. I PMed laurent, sent WCG an email directly and complained on their website so if anyone else can point me in the direction to start putting this train back on tracks let me know, thanks. | ||
KwarK
United States44402 Posts
On April 17 2009 14:56 Laurent wrote: Also the reason the maps have been stagnant is because Blizzard wont add any new maps to battle.net for WCG. This quote pretty much sums up the problems as far as I can see. The guy has clearly never played Starcraft. Normally I'd just pity him rather than hold it against him but if this is the guy making the rules then we kind of have a problem. | ||
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