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Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:05 GMT
#341
Both opening really standard, rax/gas

Upmagic scouting quite early in comparison
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
January 19 2009 11:05 GMT
#342
On January 19 2009 20:02 Jaeden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:51 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:49 snapcrackle wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.


where's lux's interview?

This is the first all kill in the Winner's League
▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot.

- This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it?
▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.

- Did you think you would all kill?
▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident.

- Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF.
▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing.

- Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this?
▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased.

- What did Flash say to you?
▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too.

- Khan's aces are very difficult players.
▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win.

- You destroyed great's hive play.
▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable.

- You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork.
▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be.

- 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다
- Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style.
▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily.

- Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining?
▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe.

- Your control got better and better after each game.
▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.

- Plans for the future
▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now.

- Last words
▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us.

from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold



so ?
On January 19 2009 19:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.


and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers?

no.


He asked for the interview i supplied the interview. Whats with you hating like that.

It's not hating. Affirming that a less known player has more chances of taking down a stronger player in the old format instead of the all-kill one (even after the stronger player won 3 games in a row or so) is simply wrong, imho. The stronger player will prepare his strat JUST for that game (I`m not implying that he can't lose, but the chances are smaller). Wining 3 games before doesn`t help that much, even if u are motivated

Not my point.. its not so much motivation but a physical/mental advantage. READ MY LINK... READ THE INTERVIEW... just read it. You seem to have skipped that and went straight into defending yourself. Read it. Its over.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:06 GMT
#343
Fac going up for both players

Scouting SCVs both in the enemy base

Upmagic's gets killed by 1 marine

Forgg sees Upmagic is 2 facting and runs away
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:07 GMT
#344
Forgg is going 1 fact CC

This is looking very similar to the previous game...

Ahh, but Forgg is pressuring Upmagic with 2 marines, and 1 vulture incoming
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:07 GMT
#345
1 VULT 2 MARINES IN UPMAGIC'S MIN LINE

PROBES BEING TAKEN OUT

AHH UPMAGIC'S REINFORCEMENTS (1 TANK/1VULT) COME OUT JUST IN TIME
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:08 GMT
#346
Forgg putting up a Starport, and tranferring SCVs to his nat just as it finishes

Upmagic now taking his nat

Upmagic moving out, pumping units from 2 facts
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 19 2009 11:08 GMT
#347
I think only 2-3 scvs were taken out. Up still has this
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
January 19 2009 11:08 GMT
#348
On January 19 2009 20:05 snapcrackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 20:02 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:51 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:49 snapcrackle wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.


where's lux's interview?

This is the first all kill in the Winner's League
▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot.

- This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it?
▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.

- Did you think you would all kill?
▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident.

- Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF.
▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing.

- Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this?
▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased.

- What did Flash say to you?
▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too.

- Khan's aces are very difficult players.
▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win.

- You destroyed great's hive play.
▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable.

- You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork.
▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be.

- 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다
- Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style.
▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily.

- Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining?
▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe.

- Your control got better and better after each game.
▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.

- Plans for the future
▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now.

- Last words
▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us.

from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold



so ?
On January 19 2009 19:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.


and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers?

no.


He asked for the interview i supplied the interview. Whats with you hating like that.

It's not hating. Affirming that a less known player has more chances of taking down a stronger player in the old format instead of the all-kill one (even after the stronger player won 3 games in a row or so) is simply wrong, imho. The stronger player will prepare his strat JUST for that game (I`m not implying that he can't lose, but the chances are smaller). Wining 3 games before doesn`t help that much, even if u are motivated

Not my point.. its not so much motivation but a physical/mental advantage. READ MY LINK... READ THE INTERVIEW... just read it. You seem to have skipped that and went straight into defending yourself. Read it. Its over.

Ok, enough
I've read it before. It`s just his oppinion, and what I`ve is exactly why I`ve been arguing with u. The mental advantage of wining before isn`t enough compared to the possibility of sniping. If u still aren`t convinced, than that's it. I`m watching the games now, sorry.
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:08 GMT
#349
AHHH UPMAGIC ATTACKING FORGG'S NAT WITH VULTS

FORGG FORCED TO LIFT HIS NAT CC

UPMAGIC FLOATING HIS RAX OVER FORGG'S UNITS
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:09 GMT
#350
FORGG GETS SIEGE, UPMAGIC FORCED TO BACK OFF

STARPORT IS UP AND FLASHING FOR FORGG
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 19 2009 11:09 GMT
#351
Luxury basically said that the first match was the most difficult. That could have had something to do with jangbi killing his third as well.

But some players get tired faster and some players rely heavily on preparation... sigh, I already said this.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51452 Posts
January 19 2009 11:09 GMT
#352
On January 19 2009 20:05 snapcrackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 20:02 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:51 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:49 snapcrackle wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.


where's lux's interview?

This is the first all kill in the Winner's League
▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot.

- This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it?
▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.

- Did you think you would all kill?
▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident.

- Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF.
▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing.

- Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this?
▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased.

- What did Flash say to you?
▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too.

- Khan's aces are very difficult players.
▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win.

- You destroyed great's hive play.
▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable.

- You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork.
▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be.

- 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다
- Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style.
▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily.

- Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining?
▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe.

- Your control got better and better after each game.
▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.

- Plans for the future
▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now.

- Last words
▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us.

from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold



so ?
On January 19 2009 19:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.


and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers?

no.


He asked for the interview i supplied the interview. Whats with you hating like that.

It's not hating. Affirming that a less known player has more chances of taking down a stronger player in the old format instead of the all-kill one (even after the stronger player won 3 games in a row or so) is simply wrong, imho. The stronger player will prepare his strat JUST for that game (I`m not implying that he can't lose, but the chances are smaller). Wining 3 games before doesn`t help that much, even if u are motivated

Not my point.. its not so much motivation but a physical/mental advantage. READ MY LINK... READ THE INTERVIEW... just read it. You seem to have skipped that and went straight into defending yourself. Read it. Its over.


There is nothing to do with a physical/mental advantage. If there were, it's a placebo.
Commentator
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
January 19 2009 11:09 GMT
#353
mehhhhh cant stay awake. GL HF GG. hope upmagic takes this but want lecaf to win. night. [:
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:10 GMT
#354
WRAITH OUT FOR FORGG, IT'S ATTACKING UPMAGIC'S SPOTTING RAX

Forgg clears the mines at his nat and lands the CC

Upmagic's nat is well-saturated now

Forgg adding comsats to both CCs now
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 19 2009 11:10 GMT
#355
Upmagic can do a runby imho
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:10 GMT
#356
Lone wraith kilsl the floated rax

Upmagic finishing up an Armory

Forgg moving slowly out of his nat with a smal lamount of tank/vult
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:11 GMT
#357
Upmagic runs in, attacking the tank/vult managing to do some minor damage

Forgg's tanks sieged righht outside of his nat bridges

Upmagic also setting up outside the small tankline, but a wraith is harassing the tanks
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:11 GMT
#358
YAHHH DROPSHIP OUT FOR FORGG

DSHIP GOING RIGHT FOR UPMAGIC'S MAIN

3 VULTS DROPPED RIGHT IN THERE
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:12 GMT
#359
UP FORCED TO PULL SCVS BACK AND FORTH

UP'S REINFORCEMENTS COME JUST IN TIME, AND DEAL WITH THE VULTS

Upmagic working on getting a Starport up
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:13 GMT
#360
YAHH ANOTHER DROPSHIP LOADED AND MOVING ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAP

UPMAGIC'S VULTURE SPOTS THE DSHIP AND GETS READY WITH SOME VULTS AT HIS MAIN

Upmagic has 2 starports up, 1 in the bottom-left of his main and one in the bottom-left
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
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