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Haha I saw the results.
Jaedong for allkill... PLEASE!!
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oops wrong thread 
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Russian Federation386 Posts
Looking forward to Jaedong all-kill ^^
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On January 19 2009 17:56 Domestica wrote:oops wrong thread
wrong thread? lmao u just edited. 
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I will live report provided I get a decent stream!
Really excited to see both these teams in the new format.
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It should be fun to watch lecaf completely destroy estro
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Gogo Upmagic for the all kill!
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where is the wemade thread
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On January 19 2009 18:01 epjx31 wrote:
where is the wemade thread
haha ive been f5ing for the last 5 minutes i guess ill hang out here and cheer for upmagic
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If Nony had his license he could take Testers place -,-v
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United States10774 Posts
For my fantasy team
Hiya > Tester
Hiya < UpMagiC
ForGG < UpMagiC
Lomo < UpMagiC
Jaedong all kills
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INTRO PLAYED
Hiya vs Tester STARTING!
Hiya is tan at 7 o'clock
Tester is light blue at 1 o'clock
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Hiya with some nice ramp blocking with a single SCV...
WOW
Otherwise, both players opening quite standard
Tester with Core first, not going for a zealot
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Hell yeah, woke up just in time.
GO LECAF.
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There is no thread for STX vs WeMade? =(
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First fac is going up for Hiya
Tester blocking his ramp with a zealot, preventing scout SCV from getting in
Goon out for Tester
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Could somebody tell me, where I can find the link for Wemade vs STX.
Ty in advance
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pretty standard game thus far.
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Hiya with 1 fac CC, building CC in his main ready to be lifted
Tester has a probe just chilling out near Hiya's nat
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On January 19 2009 18:08 deathgod6 wrote:
There is no thread for STX vs WeMade? =(
hope someone does.
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[QUOTE]On January 19 2009 18:06 OneOther wrote:
For my fantasy team
Hiya > Tester
Hiya < UpMagiC
ForGG < UpMagiC
Lomo < UpMagiC
Jaedong < UpMagiCQUOTE]
Fixed!  Jaedong lose is good for me :D
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Tester also expanding, and blocks the back ramp of his nat with a dragoon, preventing the scout SCV from seeing it!
Citadel of Adun going up for Tester
Engineering Bay going up for Hiya
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dark templar tech by tester
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Tester hiding a pylon in the top-left of his main
OH SNAP HE'S ADDING A TEMPLAR ARCHIVES
DT RUSH EW
Hiya landing the CC at hiis nat
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tester added stargate, going for fast arbs
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AHH STARGATE GOING UP FOR TESTER
FAST ARBS
Armory going up for Hiya
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tester going fucking crazy fast arbs off 2 base.
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Tester adding 2 gateways
Arb tribunal is going up
Armory already working on some upgrades
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REAL fast arbs, 1 stargate to tribunal, 3 gates for tester
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this build is the same one movie did vs sea yesterday ;o
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tribunal is making. hiya fortifies his base.
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hahah marine gets a free probe kill
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Hiya's stray marine takes out 1 probe at Tester's nat
DT out for Tester
Hiya putting up a Starport
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hiyas 1rine takes out 1probe.
dt out.
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I missed the first few minutes, is hiya aware of the arbiters?
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DT is unable to get into Hiya's main because of a ebay + rax wall at the nat
Control Tower being added on Starport
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On January 19 2009 18:12 GTR-2-Go wrote:
this build is the same one movie did vs sea yesterday ;o
ya =O
MBC vs CJ spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +MBC got destroyed, no Savior, skyhigh, or effort needed. =/
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Tester adding a lot of gates
Sci Facility going up for Hiya
First arb is out
On January 19 2009 18:13 OSWater wrote:
I missed the first few minutes, is hiya aware of the arbiters?
Not sure, he might have scanned
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tester has 6 gates. hiya adds vessels to army.
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Hiya adding 2 more facs (total of 4 at the moment)
Dropship out for Hiya
Tester moving out with zeal/goon/arb
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On January 19 2009 18:13 OSWater wrote:
I missed the first few minutes, is hiya aware of the arbiters?
apparently, he's getting vessel tech and added armory
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hiya sees arbs with scouting vultures.
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Dship heading around the back, going right for the main
yahhh Tester has a scout pylon allowing him to respond quicker
Probes run, but vults setting mines everywhere
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dropship in testers main taking some probes out and some zeals, while mining everywhere.
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Tester cleans up the vults and mines with ease with his zeal/goon
Hiya adding a 5th fact
Tester defusing mines near the 11 o'clock expo area
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Dship going out again along the right side of the map
Tester taking his third at 11 o'clock
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Dship chilling out on the right side of the map
Hiya sending out 4 vults to the new 11 o'clock expo, manages to take out a few probes in the transfer
Dship drops 2 vults in Tester's main, no damage is done
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Tester moving out with most of his army along the middle of the map
Hiya just turtling, and using mines to place mines on possible expo locations
A lot of HT out for Tester
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2arbs out for tester, one is running around. dropship still going everywhere.
vults catch maynarding probes.
hiya goes back into testers main, causes very lil dmg.
hiya has mines and turrets all over his base.
dship spots an arb.
vessel is ready.
hiya setting mines across map.
tester adds more gateways.
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Tester morphing 2 archons (total of 3 archons I believe)
Hiya now moving out with a large tank/vult/gol army
A vessel with it as well
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Hiya sieging up on his highground in the middle of the map, Tester moving his army around
Tester taking a 4th at 3 o'clock
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fuckton of tanks from hiya @ mid.
hiya sets mines everywhere, again.
tester takes another expansion, hes at 4.
arbiter....... runs away seeing 2 vessels.
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Arbiter getting in position for recall on the left-side of the map.... or not
Tester moving his army along the right side of the map
YAHHH Hiya gets a nice EMP on the lone arbiter on the right side
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tester heading straight into hiyas then backs off.
arbiter recalls on top of tanks.
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THIS IS SO OVER.
TESTER INVADING.
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Tester stuck around the 6 o'clock position, near the back of Hiya's nat
YAHHH TESTER RECALLING INTO HIYA'S NAT
ZEAL/GOON ALSO ATTACKING THE BACK OF THE NAT
ANOTHER RECALL COMING IN ONTO A CLUMP OF SIEGE TANKS
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hiya retreats back to main BUT TESTER IS INSIDE HIS BASE.
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YAHH HIYA BRINGING TANK/VULT BACK TO DEFEND
TESTER PUSHING INTO THE MAIN, BUT THE TANK/VULT/GOL CLEANS IT UP WELL
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Tester has a 5th running near 11/12 o'clock
And Tester GGs, lost a bunch of units
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some mines killing a fuckton of zeals and tester taps out.
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wait wtf
did I miss something
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wtf was that.... freaking tester suck ass
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Tester with a really bad showing - nothing surprising there.
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lol estro coach yelling at tester
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Dang I bet I could of got a better player for that 1 point I spent on Tester! But Tester probably plays more than any other 1 pointer out there being on eSTRO, so I had to pick him!
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imo tester shouldve blocked ramp but w/e..
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Haha, Jaedong almost fell over trying to high five Hiya. Hoping for Sangho from eStro to beatHiya and then JD cleaning this match up with some great games. :o
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why the hell did he make archon when he doesnt have enough GAS TO MAKE OBS!!!!!!!
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SangHo out next for eSTRO!
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Gogo Hiya dont let the Dong get a match.
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Get UpMagiC out ffs 
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On January 19 2009 18:29 Mandalor wrote:Get UpMagiC out ffs
Are you an UpMagiC hater too? If so that makes two of us.
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INTRO PLAYED
Hiya vs Sangho STARTING!
Hiya is white at 5 o'clock
Sangho is yellow at 1 o'clock
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Hiya opting for a wall in, usual rax/gas
Sangho building a pylon near his ramp
OH, 14 Nexus (at nat) from Sangho
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Hiya scouts all of it with his SCV
Core going up for Sangho
Hiya has a fac already started
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2nd gate going up for Sangho
Sangho transferring probes to his nat
Scout SCV still at large in SangHo's main
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Vulture out for Hiya, taking out a scouting probe
Hiya making a CC in his main
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Hiya using his vulture to harass
With some basic patrol micro, he takes out a stray zealot
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On January 19 2009 18:31 writer22816 wrote:Are you an UpMagiC hater too? If so that makes two of us.
No, we want upmagic to make an appearance so he can all kill!
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who is winning guys? nice vulture micro by terran
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2nd gas going up for Sangho
Range upgrading for Sangho
Citadel is up for Sangho, now starting a Robotics Facility
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Templar Archives going up
DT DROP INCOMING
Hiya's nat is well-saturated now
Hiya upgrading from Armory already
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Hiya setting up a few turrets around his main and nat
Observatory going up for Sangho
Shuttle bringing a probe to the 12 o'clock island
2 DTs out
Sangho and Hiya taking their min only at the same time
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plz dont lose before sending out upmagic estro. T_T
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Shuttle picks up the 2 DTs and is going right for Hiya's min only
Shuttle being driven off by a turret
Shuttle drops 1 DT, but is prevfented from doing any damage by some nearby tanks
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rofl
tester taught sangho how to fail as well?
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Min only up for both players
SHUTTLE DROPS 2 DTS OUTSIDE THE POWER GENERATORS
GENERATOR IS DESTROYED
DTS GET INTO HIYA'S MAIN, TAKING OUT THE ACADEMY
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Oh dear, they didn't finish the Academy, tanks clean up the 2 DTs ezpz
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Arbiter Tribunal is up, and Stargate is flashing
Sangho's 12 o'clock island is up
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Island expo is taken by toss. My 500th post!!!
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And there we see that Hiya is no Leta.
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2 forges going up for Sangho
2nd stargate up for Sangho
Sangho taking a probe and goons to 11 o'clock, but a stray vulture sees it
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EE Han Timing with dropship on toss island expo.
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YAHHH HIYA DROPPING THE 12 O'CLOCK WITH 4 VULTS
SANGHO GETTING 2 CANNONS UP
PROBES DANCING AROUND THE NEXUS, BUT THE VULTURES CLEAN EVERY SINGLE ONE UP
VULTURES ARE CLEANED UP BY THE CANNONS
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Oh god, vultures in the main took out a ton of probes. Dropship taken out by goons.
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YAHH HIYA RUNNING 2 VULTS INTO SANGHO'S MAIN
Vults take out a few probes, and are promptly cleaned up by some goons
Sci Facility up, Stargate flashing
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On January 19 2009 18:44 Shikyo wrote:
And there we see that Hiya is no Leta.
Hiya > Leta, lol flamebait
maybe he doesn`t take all the girlz, but he'll take all the trophies :>
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Sangho's 11 o'clock is up and running, looks like it's 5 base vs. 3 base at the moment
Sangho has a few arbs out already, and both Stargates still flashing
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good grief if hiya wins a major league i am going to cause a riot in seoul
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Hiya building another CC at his min only
Hiya starting to move out, first vessel out as well
Sangho's army catches him off guard, takes out some metal, and is forced to back off
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On January 19 2009 18:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:
good grief if hiya wins a major league i am going to cause a riot in seoul
hahaha, wait and see!
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comon Sangho, you are better then this~~
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what the fuck SNIPE THE VESSEL
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HIYA PUSHING HARD ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAP WITH TANK/VULT + VESSEL
SANGHO GETS A NICE STASIS ON THE VULTS
YAHHH SANGHO RECALLING IN THE BOTTOM OF HIYA'S MAIN, A SMALL AMOUNT OF GOONS WREAKING HAVOC IN THERE
HIYA CONTINUING TO PUSH IN WITH TANK/VULT
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was that a useless recall?
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Nice stasis but no units to clean it up.
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YAHHH SANGHO GETTING SOME AMAZING STASIS OFF ON THE TANK CLUMPS
STASIS IS FINALLY WEARING OFF
VESSEL GETTING SNIPED BY SOME ARBS
BUT YAHHH IT GETS AN EMP OFF BEFORE THE ARBS CAN KILL IT
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Wow. Hiya is raping, yet again.
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no chance to win now baby
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It's over. Send out UpMagiC plz!!!
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STASIS HAS WORN OFF, HIYA CONTINUING HIS PUSH
Hiya's 3 o'clock up and running now
Hiya now taking a small portion of tank/vult to 11 o'clock
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On January 19 2009 18:48 Itachii wrote:
comon Sangho, you are better then this~~
hehe no he is not Just another random protoss.
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Did he recall like 5 units?
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Pretty big fail on that recall.
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AHHHHH SANGHO RECALLING AT HIYA'S MIN ONLY
AHH REINFORCEMENTS EASILY DEFEND AGAINST THE RECALLED UNITS
HIYA SUCCESSFULLY TAKING OUT THE 11 O'CLOCK NAT, NOW MOVING INTO THE MAIN
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he just made the most useless recalls in the world
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u know I like u Hiya, but JD has to make me some points :s
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Looks a lot like free vs leta, actually.
Really depends on how much Sangho has in the bank.
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Does Sangho realise he has to build units to go with his arbiters?
This is just epic fail.
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HIYA CONTINUING TO ATTACK SANGHO'S MAIN
SANGHO FINALLY ROUDNS UP SOME GOONS AND TAKES OUT THE ATTACK
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i want lecaf to drop one so jaedong can play
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Oh man. This is so over that its not funny.
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YAHHH 11 O'CLOCK IS COMPLETELY DEAD FOR SANGHO
HIYA BRINGING EVEN MORE UNITS TO SANGHO'S MAIN
SANGHO STASISES MOST OF THE UNITS, AND HIS GOONS CLEAN UP THE ATTACK
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god damn sangho leave. hiya has the whole map.
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sangho is pretty good, but his tvp is a bit weak.
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Hiya now expanding to 7 o'clock
HIYA STILL MAKING MORE UNITS, PUSHING RIGHT UP TO SANGHO'S MAIN
AHH SANGHO STASISES A BUNCH OF TANK/GOL AGAIN
BUT ALL OF SANGHO'S ARMY IS LEFT IN A PUDDLE OF BLUE GOO
SANGHO GGS
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Miracle comeback? or not?
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He finally ggs after seeing the clump of tanks.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
wow wtf Sangho where were the storms? You're better than that.
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HiyA with a little swagger there.
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At this rate, send in UPMAGIC!!! or Nony for the hilarity effect. ^^
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nony's on the roster? maybe he'll beat hiya
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On January 19 2009 18:55 deathgod6 wrote:
At this rate, send in UPMAGIC!!! or Nony for the hilarity effect. ^^
Nony isn't on the lineup. But I'm awaiting the day it finally happens.
I would expect them to send Hyvaa.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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nOO WTF I need Upmagic lol
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Lol, first time seeing them scan any pro-gamer. What are they afraid of them bringing into the booth?
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if hyvaa wins, forgg will face him. you heard it here first
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hyvaaaaaa make it goooood. you beat skyhigh before.
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INTRO PLAYED (THEY ARE FIGHTER hahahah)
Hiya vs hyvaa STARTING!
Hiya is red at 7 o'clock
hyvaa is orange at 11 o'clock
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cheese from hiya! 8 rax ^ ^
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Looks like Hiya did 8 rax, near his nat choke
Hyvaa with the extractor trick, now sending that drone to mine out his temple minerals
Looks like Hyvaa did 12 pool
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Hyvaa sending drone to the back of his nat
Hiya pumping out some marines
Lings hatching for Hyvaa
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oh man.. Hiya lose pls so I can get some points with JD
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Hyvaa taking his nat
4 lings out, taking out the scout SCV
Hyvaa also taking his min only in the back
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Hiya has 2 marines near the middle of the map
Overlord sees the marines, Hyvaa sends to marines to take em' out
Hiya gets another scout SCV in, going right for the min only
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SCV sees the min only expo
Liar upgrading for hyvaa
Hiya's nat CC is just finishing up
First fac going up for Hiya
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hyvaa setting up a hydra den and sunk at his nat
Academy going up for Hiya
2nd gas going up for hyvaa
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http://live.plu.cn/hanguo/ - Open in IE, Press P2P button
i see nothing :|
it looks like loading image error
i have "x" signal in the top left of the screen :-?
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Hydra den finished
2nd fac going up, along with an armory for Hiya
Hiya taking his 2nd gas now
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stream is choppy/laggy for me.. =( whats happening?
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On January 19 2009 19:13 proA.June91 wrote:http://live.plu.cn/hanguo/ - Open in IE, Press P2P button i see nothing :| it looks like loading image error i have "x" signal in the top left of the screen :-?
That stream showed some strange SKT VS X team...
I'm using Daum sports now and it works great, try that stream instead.
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wow every zvt is against mech build now.
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Vult out for Hiya, moving around the map
Comsats going up for Hiya
Double machine shops upgrading
On January 19 2009 19:13 proA.June91 wrote:http://live.plu.cn/hanguo/ - Open in IE, Press P2P button i see nothing :| it looks like loading image error i have "x" signal in the top left of the screen :-?
Don't think that stream is working today.
WHen I tried, it was showing an old PL game.
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its already gg
Ill take it back he did expand
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hyvaa adding 4th hatch at his nat
hyvaa trying to attack Hiya's wallin at nat with lings, but vults clean it up easily
Hiya has quite a few vults out, placing mines around the map
Evo Chamber going up for Hyvaa
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Yup, plant mines right below the overlord. You do that.
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hyvaa taking an expo at 1 o'clock main
hyvaa pumping out a lot of hydraas, moving towards the middle of the map with them
hyvaa wants to take another base at 1 o'clock, but a mine is blocking it
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2 more facs going up for Hiya
hyvaa now expanding to 1 o'clock, thanks overlord
hyvaa adding 2 more evo chambers (total of 3)
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Starport going up for Hiya
Hyvaa attacking Hiya's stacked temples with about a dozen hydras
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On January 19 2009 19:14 Raithed wrote:
wow every zvt is against mech build now.
the best match up to watch has become the worst.
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Another hatch going up in Hyvaa's main
Control Tower finishing up for Hiya
Hydras just moving around the map, hyvaas 2 expos at 1 o'clock are up
Hyvaa adding Queen's Nest
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Hyvaa upgrading main hatch to Hive
Dship dropping 4 vults into Hyvaa's min only, Hyvaa pulls drones from there and main very quickly
On January 19 2009 19:18 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:14 Raithed wrote:
wow every zvt is against mech build now. the best match up to watch has become the worst.
Yeah.
I loved SK terran.
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On January 19 2009 19:18 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:14 Raithed wrote:
wow every zvt is against mech build now. the best match up to watch has become the worst.
TvP hasn't changed that much...
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Hiya also using vultures to attack 1 o'clock, but is quickly killed by nearby hydras
Hiya adding even more facs
Hiya continuing to pressure 1 o'clock with vults, and hyvaa uses burrow to save them from any damage
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a lot of tanks from hiya ^ ^
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Hiya now moving out with a large tank/gol force
Hyvaa has a huge hydra force of his own, moving along the bottom of the map
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Scary ass terran force. And yes mech is boring to watch
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On January 19 2009 19:18 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:14 Raithed wrote:
wow every zvt is against mech build now. the best match up to watch has become the worst.
Definitely. I lose respect for most terrans because of this.
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Both armies near the middle of the map
HIya setting up in a line near Hyvaa's main
Hyvaa's making a lot of zerglings, and his Defiler Mound is up I believe
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what a massacre..... wow hiya
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YAHHHHHHH HYVAA FLANKING THE HUGE TANKLINE WITH HYDRALING
OH MY GOODNESS BLOOD EVERYWHERE
BAD DAY TO BE A ZERG PLAYER
HIYA CONTINUING TO PUSH INTO HYVAA'S NAT
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Oh my god that battle was epic
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AND THAT IS WHY YOU GET SOME MUTAS!!!
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oh my god, those tanks just raped those hydras o_o
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Are you serious hyvaa, what the hell was that
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god if hiya all kills, i am going to starve to death
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so f.. imba come on just admit it. We have a real imba problem
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man i wanted to see jaedong play, i hope hiya drops the next game
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HIYA SIEGING AT HYVAA'S NAT, EVERYTHING IS NOW BLOWN UP
DOZEN VULTS ATTACKING 1 O'CLOCK, TAKING OUT ALL DRONES
HYVAA WITH 1 DEFILER OUT, BUT VERY FEW ZERGLINGS
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Hiya had perfect position at that time.
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Hmm... if you start with that tactic, as soon as the T starts moving out, isn't it a better idea to switch to pure mutalisk production?
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olololol triple evo but no lings
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Does intrigue have memory in his fantasy?
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HIYA NOW ATTACKING THE 1 O'CLOCK MIN ONLY WITH VULTS, TAKING OUT ALL DRONES THERE
HIYA SIEGED AT HYVAA'S NAT, FULLY CONTAINING HIM
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mech is so ridiculously strong
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shame we can't see no more of zizi yo!
only gg now haah
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LOL THE SWARM HAD ZERO EFFECT
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HYVAA TRYING TO BREAK IT USING SWARM AND HYDRALING
HIS ARMY JUST EXPLODES IN A PUDDLE OF RED GOO
HYVAA GGS
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On January 19 2009 19:23 disciple wrote:
ketchup
Yea, they could use part of this match in ketchup commercial
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On January 19 2009 19:23 GrimAngel wrote:man i wanted to see jaedong play, i hope hiya drops the next game
Seriously. I normally root for Lecaf, but I've been hoping Hiya would lose since game one. Dull mech play isn't winning me over, either.
Hopefully Up can get rid of Hiya, but that means he'll play mech vs Jaedong, if they even send Jaedong. -.-
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On January 19 2009 19:24 deathgod6 wrote:
Does intrigue have memory in his fantasy?
nope
intrigue / Bisu / BeSt / Stork / iloveoov / GuemChi / Luxury / KTF MagicNs
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On January 19 2009 19:24 ret wrote:
mech is so gay
Hey, you play TvZ, why don't you use it.
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i thought when terran is going heavy tank on the push you get 12+ mutas
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cuz it goes against all the reasons why i even like tvz in the first place, boring as fuck
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theyd send forgg first prolly, and forgg will play kinda half assed like he usually does in tvp, slowly lose the lead then come up with the Amazing Tank Vanguard out of nowhere and claim victory.
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He could have killed that push so easily if he had just built more zerglings...
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On January 19 2009 19:26 ret wrote:
cuz it goes against all the reasons why i even like tvz in the first place, boring as fuck
exactly, the excitement of tvz is killing a group of lurkers with a control group of mnm, not a-moving with 50 tanks and 50 goliaths.
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blargh what the shit a round of mutas couldve mopped up that push
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9070 Posts
the hole battle reminded me of Zapp Branigan and Futurama
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Seeing the way Hiyas tanks were sieged, it wouldve been way better for hyvaa to go for a straight up hydra push instead of trying to flank
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if hiya does all kill.
im gonna cut myself.
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If it's not upmagic im going to be PISSED.
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He needs to read a certain guide by Day9.
Where were the mutas?!
Tanks are almost the perfect counter to hydralisks, you really have to be an idiot to build only hydralisks against a tank army.
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go fucking rape him up i hate seeing hiya win like this.
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Oh yah baby EARN ME SOME POINTS!!!
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I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.
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great, we know that if up plays jaedong, we will see another fucking mech game.
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On January 19 2009 19:30 deathgod6 wrote:
Oh yah baby EARN ME SOME POINTS!!!
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wow I would have thought  Really was a given for every match
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HELL YEAH, LETS GO UMPAGIC.
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Congrats to the 6 people who chose hiya for their fantasy team.
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On January 19 2009 19:31 Cesar2000 wrote:wow I would have thought Really was a given for every match
Would've been a better choice than Tester probably for the first map, not sure why they decided to use a protoss there..
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Yeah, that's the 'evolution' of mech.
Expect standard play? Early vultures own your drones and you lose to the control group of goliath timing push every time.
Scout early due to expecting mech? Overload on hydras early and try an early break like Jaedong did vs Flash.
Now the terrans start turtling instead of making tons of goliaths since they'll actually lose to the early hydras. The zerg mass expands while the terran gets assloads of tanks. Zergs play like it's ZvP, but mass hydras don't beat mass tanks.
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On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.
What flaw is that? this is awesome
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INTRO PLAYED
HIYA VS UPMAGIC STARTING!
POSSIBLE ALLKILL INCOMING
Hiya is green at 5 o'clock
Upmagic is light blue at 1 o'clock
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On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome
flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games
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On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games
i don't see how 'momentum' is a flaw
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On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games
I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper
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Both players building depots that give their bottom mineral patch faster mining times
AHHH Hiya building a rax in the middle of the map
Both with rax/gas, up's gas slightly later
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On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games
its too bad progamers practice for a few hours before the games even start :o
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Upmagic sees the rax as he sends his SCV to scout
Facs going up for both players
Scout SCV still at large in Hiya's main
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Upmagic adding a 2nd fac
Hiya adding a CC (1 fac CC)
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non' of the game was worth watching so far, WL is gonna be utter crap
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On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games
You can't claim that after one match.
Maybe Hiya is just better than all those Estro players.
Also if that is the case how did a 3 game "warmed up" Leta lose to Free?
You're talking nonsense
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On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games
No the flaw is that at this rate we will only see Jaedong play against about 3 teams total.
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Upmagic upgrading something in his machine shop
Hiya with 1 vult out (0 for Up)
Hiya's vult going right for Up's main, and dies to some newly made tank and vult
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yeah, probably lecaf won't send JD even if Hiya loses
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Upmagic pumping units from his 2 facs
UPMAGIC MOVING INTO HIYA'S NAT, PRESSURING WITH HIS TANK/VULT
YAHH HIYA DEFENDS IT WITH HIS OWN TANK/VULT, HAD TO PULL SOME SCVS HOWEVER
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bad micro from up, he lost that tank
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Upmagic also taking his nat now, Hiya's floating rax preventing correct placement, but hey, he can just float it
Upmagic's nat is up and running, SCVs transferred
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On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper
read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.
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Up adding a 3rd fac, Hiya only on his 2nd
Upmagic chilling outside Hiya's nat with tank/vult
AHHH HE'S NOW MOVING IN, SETTING UP MINES
MINES TAKING OUT A CHUNK OF HIYA'S UNITS
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On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.
where's lux's interview?
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Exciting game so far, thank you Up.
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Hahah Hiya getting raped :D
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YES UPMAGIC BREAKING HIYAS STREAK
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Upmagic loses his spotting rax
UPMAGIC SIEGING OUTSIDE HIYA'S NAT
UPMAGIC SENDING A BUNCH OF VULTS RIGHT IN THERE, TAKING OUT HIYA'S SIEGED TANKS
AHHH MINES TAKE OUT THE REST OF THE TANKS
MORE VULTS ARE ON THE WAY
HIYA GGS
DENIED
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Thank god Hiya didnt all kill
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AND THE REVERSE ALL KILL BEGINS!!!
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On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.
and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers?
no.
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On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. where's lux's interview?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86162
Spoiler on the bottom of OP.
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Great play from Up, too bad HiyA.
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On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.
it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!"
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please lecaf, send out jaedong to finish up upmagic! i'll like to see a rematch between these two, especially since their last game was so pathetic.
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On January 19 2009 19:47 deathgod6 wrote:
AND THE REVERSE ALL KILL BEGINS!!!
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On January 19 2009 19:47 klizzer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. where's lux's interview? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86162Spoiler on the bottom of OP.
thx - -
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If Intrigue had had Hiya in his fantasy PL, I'd have committed suicide.
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On January 19 2009 19:47 deathgod6 wrote:
AND THE REVERSE ALL KILL BEGINS!!!
I will cry if that happens. I had Mind and Upmagic together on one of my 10 fantasy PL teams!
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On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. where's lux's interview?
This is the first all kill in the Winner's League
▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot.
- This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it?
▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.
- Did you think you would all kill?
▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident.
- Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF.
▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing.
- Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this?
▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased.
- What did Flash say to you?
▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too.
- Khan's aces are very difficult players.
▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win.
- You destroyed great's hive play.
▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable.
- You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork.
▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be.
- 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다
- Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style.
▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily.
- Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining?
▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe.
- Your control got better and better after each game.
▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.
- Plans for the future
▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now.
- Last words
▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us.
from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold
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On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!"
and if they do get this "natural" feeling.. er (ssj) then we get to see the gamer at their best ^.^
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On January 19 2009 19:48 Shikyo wrote:
If Intrigue had had Hiya in his fantasy PL, I'd have committed suicide.
Now I understand why Finland has the highest suicide %.
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ForGG is going to rape UpMagic alive.
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ya forgg please finish up i want POINTS
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lecaf sends out forgg, not another tvt
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pak ji soo! hmm i hope he loses so jaedong can play
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YES FORGG!!
Thank you Lecaf, for sending a player that is actually on my fantasy team.
And because I said this, Upmagic is now one win closer to his reverse allkill
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On January 19 2009 19:49 snapcrackle wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. where's lux's interview? This is the first all kill in the Winner's League ▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot. - This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it? ▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.- Did you think you would all kill? ▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident. - Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF. ▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing. - Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this? ▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased. - What did Flash say to you? ▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too. - Khan's aces are very difficult players. ▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win. - You destroyed great's hive play. ▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable. - You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork. ▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be. - 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다 - Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style. ▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily. - Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining? ▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe. - Your control got better and better after each game. ▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.- Plans for the future ▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now. - Last words ▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us. from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold
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On January 19 2009 19:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers? no.
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On January 19 2009 19:51 Cesar2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:48 Shikyo wrote:
If Intrigue had had Hiya in his fantasy PL, I'd have committed suicide. Now I understand why Finland has the highest suicide %.
It does? Wow, I didn't know =D
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cmon upmagic all kill this plz
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Haha. The annoying ragnarok girl is gone.
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On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!"
Your point is exactly what he meant. It's all about emotions. If you feel better, you play better. The momentum he gets from winning and feeling good and warmed up makes the following games easier for him.
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On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!"
uhhhh... i cite from a person with experience. Specifically a progamer with an all kill experience. Therefore my words are more valid than your "no its not" argument. More specifically read the post about the All-kill format http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86162.. to further help validate my statement. Please don't flame me for having read up on info and making a statement that is supported by sources/evidence. Thank you
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So many TvTs tonight! Going to bed -_-
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On January 19 2009 19:54 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!" uhhhh... i cite from a person with experience. Specifically a progamer with an all kill experience. Therefore my words are more valid than your "no its not" argument. More specifically read the post about the All-kill format http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86162.. to further help validate my statement. Please don't flame me for having read up on info and making quite a statement that is supported by sources/evidence. Thank you
Some players play better warmed up like that. Some players get exhausted rapidly. Some players rely heavily on preparation. Some players rely more on their in-game decision-making and going with the flow. Depends on the player.
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On January 19 2009 19:51 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:49 snapcrackle wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. where's lux's interview? This is the first all kill in the Winner's League ▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot. - This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it? ▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.- Did you think you would all kill? ▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident. - Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF. ▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing. - Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this? ▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased. - What did Flash say to you? ▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too. - Khan's aces are very difficult players. ▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win. - You destroyed great's hive play. ▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable. - You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork. ▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be. - 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다 - Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style. ▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily. - Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining? ▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe. - Your control got better and better after each game. ▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.- Plans for the future ▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now. - Last words ▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us. from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold so ? Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers? no.
He asked for the interview i supplied the interview. Whats with you hating like that.
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On January 19 2009 19:54 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!" uhhhh... i cite from a person with experience. Specifically a progamer with an all kill experience. Therefore my words are more valid than your "no its not" argument. More specifically read the post about the All-kill format http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86162.. to further help validate my statement. Please don't flame me for having read up on info and making quite a statement that is supported by sources/evidence. Thank you
dude
if u come across a player u don`t expect, who prepared a great strategy that was made exactly for the purpose of snipping you...feelin` good doesn`t help. Oh sorry maybe it does, but not enough
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On January 19 2009 19:53 sh02hp0869 wrote:
I cant see forGG lose
I can't see forGG win
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More TvT!!! GoGo upmagic!
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I just learnt something important about Winner's League. You can't select the teams' best players on it since they will normally only play last and the team will usually have won by then... =(
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upmagic is in solid form, but T v T is always tricky.
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On January 19 2009 19:57 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:54 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!" uhhhh... i cite from a person with experience. Specifically a progamer with an all kill experience. Therefore my words are more valid than your "no its not" argument. More specifically read the post about the All-kill format http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86162.. to further help validate my statement. Please don't flame me for having read up on info and making quite a statement that is supported by sources/evidence. Thank you dude if u come across a player u don`t expect, who prepared a great strategy that was made exactly for the purpose of snipping you...feelin` good doesn`t help. Oh sorry maybe it does, but not enough
my point is the winner has an advantage. why cant you just accept that it is true from the evidence in the link as well as the statement from someone with experience. yes someone with a different great strategy can pull off a win... i'm not saying that the person who wins the first game somehow becomes a god that can't be brought down. But he has that warmup.. his hands are exercised. His mind is focused on starcraft. He's in the flow.. thereby he has that advantage. If that means he makes fewer mistakes or if that means he can think better ... whatever the case he has that advantage.
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talking too much... ugh... 6am ... sleepyyy.
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On January 19 2009 19:26 mog87 wrote:
theyd send forgg first prolly, and forgg will play kinda half assed like he usually does in tvp, slowly lose the lead then come up with the Amazing Tank Vanguard out of nowhere and claim victory.
called part 1 lets see bout p2.
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On January 19 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:51 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:49 snapcrackle wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. where's lux's interview? This is the first all kill in the Winner's League ▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot. - This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it? ▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.- Did you think you would all kill? ▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident. - Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF. ▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing. - Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this? ▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased. - What did Flash say to you? ▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too. - Khan's aces are very difficult players. ▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win. - You destroyed great's hive play. ▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable. - You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork. ▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be. - 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다 - Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style. ▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily. - Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining? ▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe. - Your control got better and better after each game. ▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.- Plans for the future ▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now. - Last words ▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us. from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold so ? On January 19 2009 19:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers? no. He asked for the interview i supplied the interview. Whats with you hating like that.
It's not hating. Affirming that a less known player has more chances of taking down a stronger player in the old format instead of the all-kill one (even after the stronger player won 3 games in a row or so) is simply wrong, imho. The stronger player will prepare his strat JUST for that game (I`m not implying that he can't lose, but the chances are smaller). Wining 3 games before doesn`t help that much, even if u are motivated
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INTRO PLAYED
forGG vs Upmagic STARTING!
forGG is teal at 11 o'clock
Upmagic is red at 5 o'clock
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Up red at bottom, Forgg at top green
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UpMagiC's depot finishes 2 seconds before ForGG's. He's going to beat ForGG with pure mechanics.
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Both opening really standard, rax/gas
Upmagic scouting quite early in comparison
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On January 19 2009 20:02 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:51 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:49 snapcrackle wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. where's lux's interview? This is the first all kill in the Winner's League ▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot. - This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it? ▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.- Did you think you would all kill? ▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident. - Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF. ▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing. - Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this? ▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased. - What did Flash say to you? ▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too. - Khan's aces are very difficult players. ▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win. - You destroyed great's hive play. ▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable. - You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork. ▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be. - 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다 - Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style. ▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily. - Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining? ▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe. - Your control got better and better after each game. ▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.- Plans for the future ▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now. - Last words ▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us. from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold so ? On January 19 2009 19:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers? no. He asked for the interview i supplied the interview. Whats with you hating like that. It's not hating. Affirming that a less known player has more chances of taking down a stronger player in the old format instead of the all-kill one (even after the stronger player won 3 games in a row or so) is simply wrong, imho. The stronger player will prepare his strat JUST for that game (I`m not implying that he can't lose, but the chances are smaller). Wining 3 games before doesn`t help that much, even if u are motivated
Not my point.. its not so much motivation but a physical/mental advantage. READ MY LINK... READ THE INTERVIEW... just read it. You seem to have skipped that and went straight into defending yourself. Read it. Its over.
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Fac going up for both players
Scouting SCVs both in the enemy base
Upmagic's gets killed by 1 marine
Forgg sees Upmagic is 2 facting and runs away
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Forgg is going 1 fact CC
This is looking very similar to the previous game...
Ahh, but Forgg is pressuring Upmagic with 2 marines, and 1 vulture incoming
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1 VULT 2 MARINES IN UPMAGIC'S MIN LINE
PROBES BEING TAKEN OUT
AHH UPMAGIC'S REINFORCEMENTS (1 TANK/1VULT) COME OUT JUST IN TIME
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Forgg putting up a Starport, and tranferring SCVs to his nat just as it finishes
Upmagic now taking his nat
Upmagic moving out, pumping units from 2 facts
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I think only 2-3 scvs were taken out. Up still has this
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On January 19 2009 20:05 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 20:02 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:51 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:49 snapcrackle wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. where's lux's interview? This is the first all kill in the Winner's League ▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot. - This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it? ▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.- Did you think you would all kill? ▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident. - Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF. ▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing. - Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this? ▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased. - What did Flash say to you? ▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too. - Khan's aces are very difficult players. ▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win. - You destroyed great's hive play. ▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable. - You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork. ▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be. - 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다 - Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style. ▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily. - Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining? ▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe. - Your control got better and better after each game. ▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.- Plans for the future ▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now. - Last words ▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us. from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold so ? On January 19 2009 19:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers? no. He asked for the interview i supplied the interview. Whats with you hating like that. It's not hating. Affirming that a less known player has more chances of taking down a stronger player in the old format instead of the all-kill one (even after the stronger player won 3 games in a row or so) is simply wrong, imho. The stronger player will prepare his strat JUST for that game (I`m not implying that he can't lose, but the chances are smaller). Wining 3 games before doesn`t help that much, even if u are motivated Not my point.. its not so much motivation but a physical/mental advantage. READ MY LINK... READ THE INTERVIEW... just read it. You seem to have skipped that and went straight into defending yourself. Read it. Its over.
Ok, enough
I've read it before. It`s just his oppinion, and what I`ve is exactly why I`ve been arguing with u. The mental advantage of wining before isn`t enough compared to the possibility of sniping. If u still aren`t convinced, than that's it. I`m watching the games now, sorry.
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AHHH UPMAGIC ATTACKING FORGG'S NAT WITH VULTS
FORGG FORCED TO LIFT HIS NAT CC
UPMAGIC FLOATING HIS RAX OVER FORGG'S UNITS
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FORGG GETS SIEGE, UPMAGIC FORCED TO BACK OFF
STARPORT IS UP AND FLASHING FOR FORGG
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Luxury basically said that the first match was the most difficult. That could have had something to do with jangbi killing his third as well.
But some players get tired faster and some players rely heavily on preparation... sigh, I already said this.
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On January 19 2009 20:05 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 20:02 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:51 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:49 snapcrackle wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. where's lux's interview? This is the first all kill in the Winner's League ▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot. - This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it? ▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.- Did you think you would all kill? ▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident. - Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF. ▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing. - Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this? ▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased. - What did Flash say to you? ▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too. - Khan's aces are very difficult players. ▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win. - You destroyed great's hive play. ▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable. - You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork. ▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be. - 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다 - Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style. ▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily. - Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining? ▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe. - Your control got better and better after each game. ▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.- Plans for the future ▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now. - Last words ▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us. from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold so ? On January 19 2009 19:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers? no. He asked for the interview i supplied the interview. Whats with you hating like that. It's not hating. Affirming that a less known player has more chances of taking down a stronger player in the old format instead of the all-kill one (even after the stronger player won 3 games in a row or so) is simply wrong, imho. The stronger player will prepare his strat JUST for that game (I`m not implying that he can't lose, but the chances are smaller). Wining 3 games before doesn`t help that much, even if u are motivated Not my point.. its not so much motivation but a physical/mental advantage. READ MY LINK... READ THE INTERVIEW... just read it. You seem to have skipped that and went straight into defending yourself. Read it. Its over.
There is nothing to do with a physical/mental advantage. If there were, it's a placebo.
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mehhhhh cant stay awake. GL HF GG. hope upmagic takes this but want lecaf to win. night. [:
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WRAITH OUT FOR FORGG, IT'S ATTACKING UPMAGIC'S SPOTTING RAX
Forgg clears the mines at his nat and lands the CC
Upmagic's nat is well-saturated now
Forgg adding comsats to both CCs now
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Upmagic can do a runby imho
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Lone wraith kilsl the floated rax
Upmagic finishing up an Armory
Forgg moving slowly out of his nat with a smal lamount of tank/vult
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Upmagic runs in, attacking the tank/vult managing to do some minor damage
Forgg's tanks sieged righht outside of his nat bridges
Upmagic also setting up outside the small tankline, but a wraith is harassing the tanks
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YAHHH DROPSHIP OUT FOR FORGG
DSHIP GOING RIGHT FOR UPMAGIC'S MAIN
3 VULTS DROPPED RIGHT IN THERE
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UP FORCED TO PULL SCVS BACK AND FORTH
UP'S REINFORCEMENTS COME JUST IN TIME, AND DEAL WITH THE VULTS
Upmagic working on getting a Starport up
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YAHH ANOTHER DROPSHIP LOADED AND MOVING ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAP
UPMAGIC'S VULTURE SPOTS THE DSHIP AND GETS READY WITH SOME VULTS AT HIS MAIN
Upmagic has 2 starports up, 1 in the bottom-left of his main and one in the bottom-left
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AHHH FORGG NOW DROPPING BEHIND UPMAGIC'S NAT, 2 VULTS AT THE MINLINE, 1 SIEGED BEHIND THE CLIFF
UP IS UNABLE TO TAKE OUT THE TANK WITH VULTS ONLY, BUT LUCKILY WRAITHS POP OUT JUST IN TIME
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YAHHH FORGG NOW PUSHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP
OH MY GODDNESS
HUGE MINEDRAG ON FORGG, EFFECTIVELY TAKING OUT HIS ENTIRE TANK FORCE
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YAHHHH UPMAGIC PUSHING IN THERE
MORE MINES GOING DOWN NEAR THE TANKS
FORGG PULLING SCVS TO DEAL WITH THE SIEGED TANKS
UPMAGIC'S WRAITHS TAKE OUT ALL OF FORGG'S WRAITHS
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GREAT MICRO BY UP, USING WRAITHS TO TARGET MINES
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YAHHHHH MORE UNITS ARE ON THE WAY FOR UPMAGIC
FORGG TRYING TO GET DEFENSIVE AND SIEGE SOME TANKS BEHIND HIS CC, BUT UPMAGIC HAS TOO MANY TANK/WRAITH
FORGG NOW HAS SOME GOLS OUT, RENDERING THE WRAITHS USELESS
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forgg.... hmmm who is next? jaedong or lomo.. jaedong or lomo... Lomo
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FORGG MANAGES TO CLEAN UP THE SIEGED TANKS, BUT THE NOW THE VULTS ARE ATTACKING HIS MAIN'S SCVs
Forgg sieging some tanks at his nat
Upmagic taking a 3rd at 8 o'clock
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forggs macro is retarded.
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YAHHH FORGG'S BACK MINERALS ARE MINED OUT
UPMAGIC SNEAKING SOME VULTS IN THE BACK
VULTS GOING RIGHT FOR THE MINERALS...
and only take out 1 SCV before dying
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YAHHHH UPMAGIC SIEGING TANKS AT THE BACK OF FORGG'S NAT CLIFF
FORGG CLEANS IT UP, BUT NOW UPMAGIC ATTACKING AT THE FRONT WITH TANK/VULT
TANKS ARE SIEGED, SLOWLY WHITTLING THE NAT CC DOWN
FORGG GGS
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GGGGGGG HOLY CRAP UPMAGIC HAS GOTTEN GOOD!
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Valiant effort from fOrGG to try to claw his way back, but Up was on top of him the whole time.
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holy fuck this winners league is cursed against me
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.....good thing i picked upmagic. GO UPMAGIC!!!!
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On January 19 2009 20:18 OneOther wrote:
.....good thing i picked upmagic. GO UPMAGIC!!!!
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GOOOO UUUUUUUUUP
[he's on a streak lately, isn't he? ]
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Upmagic, just get one more win and then lose plz! :D
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On January 19 2009 20:18 OneOther wrote:
.....good thing i picked upmagic. GO UPMAGIC!!!!
QFT
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On January 19 2009 20:18 GTR-2-Go wrote:
holy fuck this winners league is cursed against me
Me too.
Maybe we're not giving the players enough bribe money. (*cough* intrigue *cough*)
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Thanks for all the LR's! <3
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I dont think theyd send jaedong out on colloseum with the ease of mechability, so prolly inter.young? since backho is still injured?
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This is looking good. If Up can take out JD, who can Lecaf send out next? Lomo and Young? :p
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On January 19 2009 20:21 KizZBG wrote:
This is looking good. If Up can take out JD, who can Lecaf send out next? Lomo and Young? :p
Young is pretty good vs terran me thinks and the next map is Medusa ...
Edit: finally Jaedong appears hope he plays well ...
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I love Zerg and I love Jaedong, but I'm teared in half because I'm a huge Upmagic fanboy...
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medusa was played already. Last map is harmony, I dunno I woulda saved Jaedong unless he has something special planned for colloseum.
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Jaedong's gonna clear up this mess that Hiya and Forgg left for him, no problem.
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Wish BackHo were here to rape UpMagic.
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On January 19 2009 20:22 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 20:21 KizZBG wrote:
This is looking good. If Up can take out JD, who can Lecaf send out next? Lomo and Young? :p Young is pretty good vs terran me thinks and the next map is Medusa ... Edit: finally Jaedong appears hope he plays well ...
Someone got the map order on the calendar messed up... I'm pretty sure it's Colosseum 2.
Had to edit my OP on the fly.
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Netherlands4511 Posts
ahh lee jae dong gg estro!
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Expecting UpMagic to go mech . Lets see how Jaedong has adapted .
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Vatican City State1872 Posts
jaedong is my favorite player but i dont have him on my team
GO UPMAGIC ALLKILL ONE TIME.
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On January 19 2009 20:25 ret wrote:
ahh lee jae dong gg estro!
It can go either way really...
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I am so torn apart, my love for JD vs my fantasy team.
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upmagic has got this in my opinion. he is good with mech, so he has a good shot against jaedong, and lecaf have already used their big guns. who are they going to send next, lomo?
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jd will pull an awesome win.
Not going to lose to upmagic
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On January 19 2009 20:01 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 19:57 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:54 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now. What flaw is that? this is awesome flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural. it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!" uhhhh... i cite from a person with experience. Specifically a progamer with an all kill experience. Therefore my words are more valid than your "no its not" argument. More specifically read the post about the All-kill format http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86162.. to further help validate my statement. Please don't flame me for having read up on info and making quite a statement that is supported by sources/evidence. Thank you dude if u come across a player u don`t expect, who prepared a great strategy that was made exactly for the purpose of snipping you...feelin` good doesn`t help. Oh sorry maybe it does, but not enough my point is the winner has an advantage. why cant you just accept that it is true from the evidence in the link as well as the statement from someone with experience. yes someone with a different great strategy can pull off a win... i'm not saying that the person who wins the first game somehow becomes a god that can't be brought down. But he has that warmup.. his hands are exercised. His mind is focused on starcraft. He's in the flow.. thereby he has that advantage. If that means he makes fewer mistakes or if that means he can think better ... whatever the case he has that advantage.
the winner has some things going for him, the new player also has some things going for them. its not an advantage either way, all depends on who feels more comfortable in what situation. teams prepare snipers specifically for good players, ones who would be capable of all killing. in alot of situations facing an unexpected strategy that your opponent has practiced a hundred times specifically with you in mind will far outweigh having your hands loosened up.
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On January 19 2009 20:26 Shauni wrote:It can go either way really...
yeah I know, but I want jaedong to kick some ass! I have faith :D
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Cmon Up ALL KILL!!!!!!!!!shift+11111one
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On January 19 2009 20:27 KizZBG wrote:
Cmon Up ALL KILL!!!!!!!!!shift+11111one
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UpMagiC probably has the best or at least like top 3 TvZ mech in the world...
Hmm, in any case I'm hoping that the game will last long. A early-midgame push victory by mech would be so depressing, as would a 3-hatch speedling victory.
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On January 19 2009 20:26 Vivi57 wrote:
jd will pull an awesome win.
Not going to lose to upmagic
Didn't he lose to up very recently? :o
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Get your revenge jaedong. Its time to destroy mech .... just don't go all in
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On January 19 2009 20:30 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 20:26 Vivi57 wrote:
jd will pull an awesome win.
Not going to lose to upmagic Didn't he lose to up very recently? :o
Yes but JD played really bad, being over agressive and achieving nothing. He'll be prepared better this time I think.
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INTRO PLAYED
Jaedong vs Upmagic STARTING!
Jaedong is light blue at 1
Upmagic is orange at 11
(whoops, it's actually Neo Harmony, not Colosseum)
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Makes more sense to send JD now if it's Neo Harmony
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oh harmony..then sending jaedong makes sense as oppposed to on Colosseum 2 instead of young.
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JD scouts the correct way with his overlord
JD doing 12 Hatch FE
Upmagic with rax/gas -_-
mechhh
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United States10774 Posts
well that sucks. not a good map for mech
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maybe a mindgame in 2 port?
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Factory already going up for Upmagic
1 SCV mining gas for Upmagic
JD adding a 3rd hatch at his nat, also taking his 1st gas
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Upmagic getting another scout SCV into JD's main
Upmagic using 1 marine to attack the temple in the back of his main
Upmagic taking his nat
Jaedong kills the scout SCV, also starting up his Lair
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JD's lings are moving around the map
Upmagic has 1 vult out, moving aroudn the map as well
JD adding a hydra den at his nat
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love how they show the fpviews. upmagic looks so chilled compared to jd :D
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Upmagic's machine shop is upgrading
Academy going up for Upmagic
Vults taking out some stray lings across the map, as well as one trying to scout Upmagic's main
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Some vults chilling out ouside of JD's base
Hydras out for JD
Spire going up for JD
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2 Comsats and 2 Armories going up for Upmagic
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ahhh, Upmagic scans JD's main and nat, seeing all of JD's tech
JD hiding a drone at his would-be third, takes it with vultures not knowing about it
AHH mutas out for JD
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and my stream just died and won't work again...
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AHHHH MUTAS OUT, ATTACKING UPMAGIC'S MAIN
NO TURRETS UP, ONLY 2 GOLS OUT
JD KILLING SOME STRAY TANKS AND SCVS, CONTINUALLY PICKING OFF WHATEVER HE CAN
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JD's mutas having a field day in upmagic's main lol
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What is with that turret timing
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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UPMAGIC DESPERATELY TRYING TO GET A TURRET UP, BUT HIS MICRO IS JUST TOO GOOD
UPMAGIC GGS
LECAF WINS
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ROFFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE.
PAYBACK
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Up fucked up pretty big time there, didn't even put up a fight. I wanted a good game!
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United States10774 Posts
Damnit Upmagic was way too affected by his game verses Yarnc. Faster academy..slower armory...spider mines..ugh. Oh well Jaedong's on my fantasy, too :D
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Does anyone know why Up's gols were so late?
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uh.... damn.. just a reverse of the last jaedong vs upmagic match.... one sided
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talk about rape, gg
Upmagic, I am not satisfied nor disappointed
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eh, I knew JD and Lecaf would win.... yet I accidently and stupidly mis-clicked my liqbet with estro....... there goes my point... =(
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god wtf this is what happened in 910 v yarnc
fast academy=death
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On January 19 2009 20:41 DoX.) wrote:
Does anyone know why Up's gols were so late?
Because of what happened in up verses yarnc! He was overly cautious of the lurker possibility
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Is it me or is Mech 90% of the time totally one sided?
Way 1:
Terran gets into Mid/Late-Game = GG.
Way 2:
Zerg is succesfull with Muta or/and Lurker = GG.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Fuck I thought this would happen. It seemed like he wasn't expecting mutas at all.
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That's what JD thinks of Mech builds.
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So, so, wait... should the Z, after getting his few hydras and starting his lair, scout the T and see if he's preparing for mutas or for Lurkers, and then after lair go the way that the mech isn't prepared for... or can they adequately prepare for both of them?
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Noo dammit I wanted all kill T.T
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On January 19 2009 20:44 Shikyo wrote:
So, so, wait... should the Z, after getting his few hydras and starting his lair, scout the T and see if he's preparing for mutas or for Lurkers, and then after lair go the way that the mech isn't prepared for... or can they adequately prepare for both of them?
kind of confused what you are saying here. Can the zerg adequately prepare for both lurkers and mutas? In that case doubtful due to gas. On the other hand if you are asking does the zerg HAVE to scout to decide to go lurkers or to go mutas then i believe the answer is no.. but it would be smarter to scout and see if the terran has defense for mutas. that way if he doesn't you can punish the terran.
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I think he's asking "can Terran going mech prepare for both muta and lurkers?". I'd be interesting in knowing this too.
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On January 19 2009 20:51 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 20:44 Shikyo wrote:
So, so, wait... should the Z, after getting his few hydras and starting his lair, scout the T and see if he's preparing for mutas or for Lurkers, and then after lair go the way that the mech isn't prepared for... or can they adequately prepare for both of them? kind of confused what you are saying here. Can the zerg adequately prepare for both lurkers and mutas? In that case doubtful due to gas. On the other hand if you are asking does the zerg HAVE to scout to decide to go lurkers or to go mutas then i believe the answer is no.. but it would be smarter to scout and see if the terran has defense for mutas. that way if he doesn't you can punish the terran.
Can the mech user adequately prepare for both I mean. He has no way of knowing which you go for before scanners.
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in some situations you can know, thats one of the perks of the proxy 8 rax -> mech opening, you can float the rax in their base for scouting.
altho if theyre going 3 hat hydra then it dies and you're stuck at 2 fac for a year or 2
but ya lack of scouting is a big issue with mech. with fantasy's build the drop provided scouting, some terrans will go fac cc port and make a wraith to scout or count on a speedvult runby getting in... altho thats really hit or miss. theres various ways to deal with it, no consensus on whats the best yet.
if you have absolutely no idea and have to prepare for both you're kinda fucked, the bright side is that if they open hard lurk or muta and it does 0 damage and you fe'd you're in really good shape.
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So uh... how can the Z see which the T is trying to prepare for by sacrificing an overlord right before his lair finishes? Like, what signs should he look for. I guess really early academy is for Lurkers but is there anything specific they can find out at that point?
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lol i can imagine what happened
after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol
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Woah this format really rocks, I hope the PL games are also played this way.
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On January 19 2009 21:28 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
Woah this format really rocks, I hope the PL games are also played this way.
Its a part of the PL if I have understod it correctly.
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=[ its tough being an estro fan
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On January 19 2009 21:10 Shikyo wrote:
So uh... how can the Z see which the T is trying to prepare for by sacrificing an overlord right before his lair finishes? Like, what signs should he look for. I guess really early academy is for Lurkers but is there anything specific they can find out at that point?
not really, t is still pretty flexible at that point, unless theyre pumping vulture tank or somethin.
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On January 20 2009 00:26 SoMuchBetter wrote:
=[ its tough being an estro fan
I'm not following progaming thaaat much, but I thought estro was doing pretty well lately
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On January 19 2009 21:15 freelander wrote:
lol i can imagine what happened
after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol
Upmagic did kill JD last time they met in PL, which was very recently.
But yeah these lineups were so unfair lol, poor upmagic is all alone in estro. Surprised they didnt use magma by the way.
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im more surprised estro didnt send out really
anyway hell yea JD
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On January 19 2009 20:42 Klive5ive wrote:
That's what JD thinks of Mech builds.
the best comment right here
oh and:
On January 20 2009 01:08 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 21:15 freelander wrote:
lol i can imagine what happened
after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol Upmagic did kill JD last time they met in PL, which was very recently. But yeah these lineups were so unfair lol, poor upmagic is all alone in estro. Surprised they didnt use magma by the way.
That game doesn`t mean anything. You`d know that if you watched it D:
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On January 20 2009 03:23 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 20:42 Klive5ive wrote:
That's what JD thinks of Mech builds. the best comment right here oh and: Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 01:08 Frits wrote:On January 19 2009 21:15 freelander wrote:
lol i can imagine what happened
after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol Upmagic did kill JD last time they met in PL, which was very recently. But yeah these lineups were so unfair lol, poor upmagic is all alone in estro. Surprised they didnt use magma by the way. That game doesn`t mean anything. You`d know that if you watched it D:
Please explain how that game didn't mean anything. I've seen it and upmagic countered Jaedong perfectly, I don't see how it was meaningless. I'm not saying that upmagic is better but Upmagic definately stands a good chance of beating JD with mech, especially when you consider how JD has lost time and again against mech.
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On January 20 2009 03:23 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 20:42 Klive5ive wrote:
That's what JD thinks of Mech builds. the best comment right here oh and: Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 01:08 Frits wrote:On January 19 2009 21:15 freelander wrote:
lol i can imagine what happened
after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol Upmagic did kill JD last time they met in PL, which was very recently. But yeah these lineups were so unfair lol, poor upmagic is all alone in estro. Surprised they didnt use magma by the way. That game doesn`t mean anything. You`d know that if you watched it D:
I agree, but so does this one. In JDs loss he just committed suicide. Todays game Up prepared for lurkers and fucked up his ebay-timing badly. Both games are really useless to draw any conclusions from in my opinion. Maybe except the fact that 3hatch-play is quite possible against mech.
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On January 20 2009 03:28 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 03:23 Jaeden wrote:On January 19 2009 20:42 Klive5ive wrote:
That's what JD thinks of Mech builds. the best comment right here oh and: On January 20 2009 01:08 Frits wrote:On January 19 2009 21:15 freelander wrote:
lol i can imagine what happened
after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol Upmagic did kill JD last time they met in PL, which was very recently. But yeah these lineups were so unfair lol, poor upmagic is all alone in estro. Surprised they didnt use magma by the way. That game doesn`t mean anything. You`d know that if you watched it D: Please explain how that game didn't mean anything. I've seen it and upmagic countered Jaedong perfectly, I don't see how it was meaningless. I'm not saying that upmagic is better but Upmagic definately stands a good chance of beating JD with mech, especially when you consider how JD has lost time and again against mech.
JD tried an all-in and failed. That doesn`t mean anything. I`m not sayin that Up can`t beat JD, I`m just sayin` that u can`t draw a conclusion from that game. Er, yeah, I agree with Malinor
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wowowow
gogogo Hiya
this new winners league is showing off alootta new talent
like  Movie and HiyA
very nice
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All-in games are not meaningless lol. Nowadays the word all-in is used as some kind of justification for making a bad judgement call. Also you have to remember that Upmagic games are destined to be unorthodox and on top of that nowadays people call everything that isn't standard all-in.
Hell people even called savior making a few lings against bisu all-in, if it works the player gets massive credit and if it fails it was meaningless.
And I see that you guys are both lecaf fans, surprise surprise.
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On January 20 2009 04:31 Frits wrote:
All-in games are not meaningless lol. Nowadays the word all-in is used as some kind of justification for making a bad judgement call. Also you have to remember that Upmagic games are destined to be unorthodox and on top of that nowadays people call everything that isn't standard all-in.
Hell people even called savior making a few lings against bisu all-in, if it works the player gets massive credit and if it fails it was meaningless.
And I see that you guys are both lecaf fans, surprise surprise.
Of course all-in games aren't meaningless, they count the same as any other; nothing more nothing less.
The conclusion I draw is that in sensible play Jaedong is an exceptional player; but he is often far too aggressive. When it works it looks awesome... but when it doesn't he looks silly.
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On January 20 2009 04:31 Frits wrote:
All-in games are not meaningless lol. Nowadays the word all-in is used as some kind of justification for making a bad judgement call. Also you have to remember that Upmagic games are destined to be unorthodox and on top of that nowadays people call everything that isn't standard all-in.
Hell people even called savior making a few lings against bisu all-in, if it works the player gets massive credit and if it fails it was meaningless.
And I see that you guys are both lecaf fans, surprise surprise.
lol? that was an all-in, he was WAY to aggressive. And I assure you that if he won, he wouldn`t get "massive credit"..he didn`t get massive credit for 2day, did he ? also he didn`t made any all-in move
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On January 20 2009 03:54 Malinor wrote:
I agree, but so does this one. In JDs loss he just committed suicide. Todays game Up prepared for lurkers and fucked up his ebay-timing badly. Both games are really useless to draw any conclusions from in my opinion. Maybe except the fact that 3hatch-play is quite possible against mech.
On January 20 2009 04:31 Frits wrote:
All-in games are not meaningless lol. Nowadays the word all-in is used as some kind of justification for making a bad judgement call. Also you have to remember that Upmagic games are destined to be unorthodox and on top of that nowadays people call everything that isn't standard all-in.
Hell people even called savior making a few lings against bisu all-in, if it works the player gets massive credit and if it fails it was meaningless.
And I see that you guys are both lecaf fans, surprise surprise.
They said it was hard to determine the outcome of future games from these two games, and you called them fanboys, which implied these two games obvious showcased enough ability to determine future games. However, these two games were too short to gleam anything useful and you disagreed.
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Using all-in as a defense for a player losing is not unbiased. Saying you can't draw any conclusions from all-in games is just plain ignorant.
And your question doesn't even make sense, starcraft isn't 100% determined by ability. If you go back you can see that Im saying that people underestimate the chances of Upmagic beating JD, not determining who's the better player.
Also you're not helping your case by being a lecaf fan lol.
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On January 20 2009 05:05 Frits wrote:
Using all-in as a defense for a player losing is not unbiased. Saying you can't draw any conclusions from all-in games is just plain ignorant.
And your question doesn't even make sense, starcraft isn't 100% determined by ability. If you go back you can see that Im saying that people underestimate the chances of Upmagic beating JD, not determining who's the better player.
Also you're not helping your case by being a lecaf fan lol.
So, once again, what helpful conclusions can you draw about the player's abilities from those games? Please answer the question this time. I can't seem to find any (serious, not trying to mock you.)
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That Upmagic stands a pretty good chance against JD, especially when he goes mech because JD doesn't seem to be handling it too well or takes too many risks against it. This has been my point all along, why are you trying to bring ability into the discussion when it's mainly about player styles.
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That's silly. Jaedong has probably faced and beaten mech in more games than any other zerg. He's been 'handling' mech better than most.
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On January 20 2009 05:17 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 05:05 Frits wrote:
Also you're not helping your case by being a lecaf fan lol. So, once again, what helpful conclusions can you draw about the player's abilities from those games? Please answer the question this time. I can't seem to find any (serious, not trying to mock you.)
Avid it was pretty obvious what point he was making. Both the Oz fans claimed JD's loss didn't count because he made an "all-in" move (their words not mine).
What's to say he wont make a silly all-in move again, of course it counts.
Oh and by the way it's ironic that you were biased in your defence of Lecaf Oz fans against claims of them being biased!
Edit: Actually looking again Malinor wasn't biased because he said that he though UpMagic's loss didn't count either. I don't agree with him but if that's what he meant then he is at least consistent.
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On January 20 2009 05:37 Frits wrote:
That Upmagic stands a pretty good chance against JD, especially when he goes mech because JD doesn't seem to be handling it too well or takes too many risks against it. This has been my point all along, why are you trying to bring ability into the discussion when it's mainly about player styles.
and no one disagrees with that, I`ve stated before that I don`t meant to say that "Up can`t beat JD", it`s just that u can`t justify the fact that he CAN / or will beat him because of that first game. It isn`t defence...chill... the term fanboy is used to often nowadays, imho
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On January 20 2009 05:54 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 05:17 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 20 2009 05:05 Frits wrote:
Also you're not helping your case by being a lecaf fan lol. So, once again, what helpful conclusions can you draw about the player's abilities from those games? Please answer the question this time. I can't seem to find any (serious, not trying to mock you.) Avid it was pretty obvious what point he was making. Both the Oz fans claimed JD's loss didn't count because he made an "all-in" move (their words not mine). What's to say he wont make a silly all-in move again, of course it counts. Oh and by the way it's ironic that you were biased in your defence of Lecaf Oz fans against claims of them being biased! Edit: Actually looking again Malinor wasn't biased because he said that he though UpMagic's loss didn't count either. I don't agree with him but if that's what he meant then he is at least consistent.
by didn`t count I`ve meant to say that it doesn`t count in judging his abilities(and I bet malinor was tryin` to say the same thing), and I hope u won`t disagree with that
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Wtf was the point of wasting one arbiter on a pointless recall in th e SangHo vs HiyA game? Just stasis and fight (or stasis and don't fight, but don't waste the arbiter doing nothing).
Also, what puts me on tilt like nothing else is how pros refuse to fucking target science vessels. They die like flies to dragoons ok!? Target and rape.
Bah.
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On January 20 2009 05:54 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 05:17 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 20 2009 05:05 Frits wrote:
Also you're not helping your case by being a lecaf fan lol. So, once again, what helpful conclusions can you draw about the player's abilities from those games? Please answer the question this time. I can't seem to find any (serious, not trying to mock you.) Avid it was pretty obvious what point he was making. Both the Oz fans claimed JD's loss didn't count because he made an "all-in" move (their words not mine). What's to say he wont make a silly all-in move again, of course it counts. Oh and by the way it's ironic that you were biased in your defence of Lecaf Oz fans against claims of them being biased! Edit: Actually looking again Malinor wasn't biased because he said that he though UpMagic's loss didn't count either. I don't agree with him but if that's what he meant then he is at least consistent.
No, they said it didn't count in judging their abilities from such a short game. People assume we're biased and generalize it to it didn't count period. And you're biased against pointing out bias, but we're all biased. Though seriously, Frits is saying you can judge their abilities and future performances against each other from those two games. I'm saying you can't. If they had said UpMagic played badly and neglected to mention the JD game, that would be biased. But they didn't, so it wasn't blatantly fanboyism biased as Frits accused us of.
Anyways, this is pointless debate, I'll stop responding to posts about this.
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On January 20 2009 06:07 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 05:54 Klive5ive wrote:On January 20 2009 05:17 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 20 2009 05:05 Frits wrote:
Also you're not helping your case by being a lecaf fan lol. So, once again, what helpful conclusions can you draw about the player's abilities from those games? Please answer the question this time. I can't seem to find any (serious, not trying to mock you.) Avid it was pretty obvious what point he was making. Both the Oz fans claimed JD's loss didn't count because he made an "all-in" move (their words not mine). What's to say he wont make a silly all-in move again, of course it counts. Oh and by the way it's ironic that you were biased in your defence of Lecaf Oz fans against claims of them being biased! Edit: Actually looking again Malinor wasn't biased because he said that he though UpMagic's loss didn't count either. I don't agree with him but if that's what he meant then he is at least consistent. No, they said it didn't count in judging their abilities from such a short game. People assume we're biased and generalize it to it didn't count period. And you're biased against pointing out bias, but we're all biased. Though seriously, Frits is saying you can judge their abilities and future performances against each other from those two games. I'm saying you can't. If they had said UpMagic played badly and neglected to mention the JD game, that would be biased. But they didn't, so it wasn't blatantly fanboyism biased as Frits accused us of. Anyways, this is pointless debate, I'll stop responding to posts about this.
I can`t say that he`s right, coz I`ll be accused of bias, but..oh well ...
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