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Konni
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany3044 Posts
January 19 2009 10:52 GMT
#321
On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.

it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!"

Your point is exactly what he meant. It's all about emotions. If you feel better, you play better. The momentum he gets from winning and feeling good and warmed up makes the following games easier for him.
sh02hp0869
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden460 Posts
January 19 2009 10:53 GMT
#322
I cant see forGG lose
Hello mother hello father
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-19 10:55:30
January 19 2009 10:54 GMT
#323
On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.

it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!"

uhhhh... i cite from a person with experience. Specifically a progamer with an all kill experience. Therefore my words are more valid than your "no its not" argument. More specifically read the post about the All-kill format http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86162.. to further help validate my statement. Please don't flame me for having read up on info and making a statement that is supported by sources/evidence. Thank you
erin[go]bragh
Profile Joined December 2008
United States815 Posts
January 19 2009 10:54 GMT
#324
So many TvTs tonight! Going to bed -_-
JulyZerg! by.hero, effOrt, KTY.
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 19 2009 10:54 GMT
#325
--- Nuked ---
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 19 2009 10:56 GMT
#326
On January 19 2009 19:54 snapcrackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.

it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!"

uhhhh... i cite from a person with experience. Specifically a progamer with an all kill experience. Therefore my words are more valid than your "no its not" argument. More specifically read the post about the All-kill format http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86162.. to further help validate my statement. Please don't flame me for having read up on info and making quite a statement that is supported by sources/evidence. Thank you

Some players play better warmed up like that. Some players get exhausted rapidly. Some players rely heavily on preparation. Some players rely more on their in-game decision-making and going with the flow. Depends on the player.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
January 19 2009 10:57 GMT
#327
On January 19 2009 19:51 Jaeden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:49 snapcrackle wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.


where's lux's interview?

This is the first all kill in the Winner's League
▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot.

- This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it?
▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.

- Did you think you would all kill?
▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident.

- Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF.
▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing.

- Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this?
▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased.

- What did Flash say to you?
▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too.

- Khan's aces are very difficult players.
▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win.

- You destroyed great's hive play.
▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable.

- You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork.
▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be.

- 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다
- Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style.
▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily.

- Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining?
▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe.

- Your control got better and better after each game.
▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.

- Plans for the future
▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now.

- Last words
▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us.

from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold



so ?
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.


and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers?

no.


He asked for the interview i supplied the interview. Whats with you hating like that.
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
January 19 2009 10:57 GMT
#328
On January 19 2009 19:54 snapcrackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.

it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!"

uhhhh... i cite from a person with experience. Specifically a progamer with an all kill experience. Therefore my words are more valid than your "no its not" argument. More specifically read the post about the All-kill format http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86162.. to further help validate my statement. Please don't flame me for having read up on info and making quite a statement that is supported by sources/evidence. Thank you

dude
if u come across a player u don`t expect, who prepared a great strategy that was made exactly for the purpose of snipping you...feelin` good doesn`t help. Oh sorry maybe it does, but not enough
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
January 19 2009 10:57 GMT
#329
On January 19 2009 19:53 sh02hp0869 wrote:
I cant see forGG lose


I can't see forGG win
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
January 19 2009 10:59 GMT
#330
More TvT!!! GoGo upmagic!
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 19 2009 11:01 GMT
#331
I just learnt something important about Winner's League. You can't select the teams' best players on it since they will normally only play last and the team will usually have won by then... =(
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Aus)MaCrO
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia349 Posts
January 19 2009 11:01 GMT
#332
upmagic is in solid form, but T v T is always tricky.
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
January 19 2009 11:01 GMT
#333
On January 19 2009 19:57 Jaeden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:54 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:48 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.

it's probably his emotions, however, it`s still a dumb statement. U simply can`t make strong arguments using the interview. In the interview a player can say anything, it`s not like: "so THAT IS IT!"

uhhhh... i cite from a person with experience. Specifically a progamer with an all kill experience. Therefore my words are more valid than your "no its not" argument. More specifically read the post about the All-kill format http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86162.. to further help validate my statement. Please don't flame me for having read up on info and making quite a statement that is supported by sources/evidence. Thank you

dude
if u come across a player u don`t expect, who prepared a great strategy that was made exactly for the purpose of snipping you...feelin` good doesn`t help. Oh sorry maybe it does, but not enough

my point is the winner has an advantage. why cant you just accept that it is true from the evidence in the link as well as the statement from someone with experience. yes someone with a different great strategy can pull off a win... i'm not saying that the person who wins the first game somehow becomes a god that can't be brought down. But he has that warmup.. his hands are exercised. His mind is focused on starcraft. He's in the flow.. thereby he has that advantage. If that means he makes fewer mistakes or if that means he can think better ... whatever the case he has that advantage.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
January 19 2009 11:01 GMT
#334
talking too much... ugh... 6am ... sleepyyy.
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
January 19 2009 11:02 GMT
#335
On January 19 2009 19:26 mog87 wrote:
theyd send forgg first prolly, and forgg will play kinda half assed like he usually does in tvp, slowly lose the lead then come up with the Amazing Tank Vanguard out of nowhere and claim victory.


called part 1 lets see bout p2.
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
January 19 2009 11:02 GMT
#336
On January 19 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:51 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:49 snapcrackle wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 19 2009 19:46 Elsi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.


where's lux's interview?

This is the first all kill in the Winner's League
▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot.

- This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it?
▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.

- Did you think you would all kill?
▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident.

- Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF.
▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing.

- Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this?
▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased.

- What did Flash say to you?
▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too.

- Khan's aces are very difficult players.
▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win.

- You destroyed great's hive play.
▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable.

- You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork.
▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be.

- 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다
- Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style.
▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily.

- Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining?
▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe.

- Your control got better and better after each game.
▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.

- Plans for the future
▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now.

- Last words
▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us.

from KTF vs Khan match. Read the bold



so ?
On January 19 2009 19:47 GTR-2-Go wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:44 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:39 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:38 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote:
On January 19 2009 19:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wonder if people will start seeing the flaw in the winner's league now.

What flaw is that? this is awesome

flaw is that the winner has an advantage due to having warmed up from the previous games

I actually disagree with this. He could meet an opponents that's more prepared than him, even a sniper

read luxury's interview after doing his all kill... he states what i said. that having won the first game the rest feel more natural.


and that 'natural' feel applies automatically to 250 other progamers?

no.


He asked for the interview i supplied the interview. Whats with you hating like that.

It's not hating. Affirming that a less known player has more chances of taking down a stronger player in the old format instead of the all-kill one (even after the stronger player won 3 games in a row or so) is simply wrong, imho. The stronger player will prepare his strat JUST for that game (I`m not implying that he can't lose, but the chances are smaller). Wining 3 games before doesn`t help that much, even if u are motivated
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 19 2009 11:02 GMT
#337
Go Upmagic i believe
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 19 2009 11:03 GMT
#338
INTRO PLAYED

forGG vs Upmagic STARTING!

forGG is teal at 11 o'clock
Upmagic is red at 5 o'clock
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 19 2009 11:03 GMT
#339
Up red at bottom, Forgg at top green
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 19 2009 11:04 GMT
#340
UpMagiC's depot finishes 2 seconds before ForGG's. He's going to beat ForGG with pure mechanics.
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