On January 17 2009 05:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Predictions:
Situation 2) 815 < Jangbi Luxury < Jangbi Flash > Jangbi Flash < Stork (RH3 sniper) Great < Stork (depends if KTF can use Zerg here otherwise some Protoss, perhaps tempest)
That doesn't make any sense: PvT: 6-20 (23.1%)
Thats why Stork practised like mad that map and is Samsungs surprise choice that map (probably some nice cheese incoming). Already 6 protoss wins that map, maybe 7 :D
(Who will samsung send from terrans, frozean NO. Perhaps Firebathero but he is last map player )
815 is gonna get schooled by jangbi, especially on colosseum, but Flash on harmony should be able to take care of him, I think KTF can take this one. Would be great to see a Flash vs FBH game.
Surprise announcement: All maps changed to bluestorm for the rest of the season; 815 breaks ELO record by 500 points and wins KTF the championship almost singlehandedly.
If samsung fails to get rid of Flash with Stork or FBH, they will die. JangBi could win, but he's playing in an awful map for his PvT imo. Luxury can clean too if Flash pulls at least a 2-1.
I'm thinking Khan will take this... KTF's only asset is Flash, and while he is extremely good, it would be asking a lot of him to defeat Jangbi, Stork, and FBH.
I think Khan will win this game. KTF have only one really strong player, Flash, and Samsung have 3 of the best 11 vT-ers in the world(Sork, although slumping, still #1, Jangbi, #2 and Firebathero, #11). This is why Flash will be eventually eliminated by one of them. After that, it is a samsung free kill.
I doubt KTF will send Flash in the 3rd game. DEstination is terrible for TvP. It should be either Neo Harmony or RH3. If 815 loses I expect Flash to go in the 2nd game but we will see. It is a smart move from Samsung to put the pressure on KTF from the beginning by sending Jangbi.
I will keep my fingers crossed for 815 but I think Jangbi should take that game.
Of course, they have it on early enough that I'd be all over watching it, except I have plans tonight and I very much could watch it at 1 or 2 in the AM. Oh well, Go Jangbi! Go Khan!
On January 17 2009 08:37 Scorch wrote: Is it just me or are the matches bloody hard to predict in a format where you don't know the lineup? Too many variables.
815 < Jangbi Flash > Jangbi(map imba) Flash < FBH(Flash has two matchups to prepare, FBH only needs to prepare against Flash AND Destination is his map) Luxury < FBH Tempest(or some other protoss) < FBH
Assuming Flash beats FBH,
Flash > great(sacrificial player for RH3) Flash < Stork Luxury < Stork Scrub < Stork
Samsung is gonna lose is for sure. KTF powered by their new mascot cannot be match by any other team except for SKT1 (as they also have a 'cool' mascot )
Lol. Flash sits on the other side of coaches as the rest of the team. I guess they want to separate him so he want catch the same sickness as the rest team is suffering (sickness of playing like crap lately)
WHAT THE FUCK THE HIDDEN SPIRE IS MY STRATEGY I HAVE REPS OF ME DOING THAT THE DAY AFTER THIS MAP CAME OUT FAKESTEVE CAN VOUCH FOR ME IT ALMOST RAPED HIM
Jangbi did great job with his reaver and dts. That basically secured him the game as 815 lost like 15 drones or more and was stopped from mining at 2 bases.
815 probably should've been a lot more aggressive before Jangbi's corsairs became too much. Jangbi was obviously really surprised by mass mutas with the hidden spire and didn't have the defenses against it.
K THIS IS THE LAST F******* time i try to ever watch a SC live. Every time its laggy as hell. Every once and a while i get a nice one but no. I wish more people used a P2P type system that works. instead of a laggy ass stream.
On January 17 2009 13:32 Zev wrote: K THIS IS THE LAST F******* time i try to ever watch a SC live. Every time its laggy as hell. Every once and a while i get a nice one but no. I wish more people used a P2P type system that works. instead of a laggy ass stream.
Be thankful for what you do have you can always wait for the vods.
On January 17 2009 13:32 Zev wrote: K THIS IS THE LAST F******* time i try to ever watch a SC live. Every time its laggy as hell. Every once and a while i get a nice one but no. I wish more people used a P2P type system that works. instead of a laggy ass stream.
Be thankful for what you do have you can always wait for the vods.
Watch 2 seconds. Then close your eyes for 10 seconds then open them again. Do the entire series like that. Looks like i need to wait for VOD =/
As for the PPStream i love that. It uses a great system sadly thats a different game going on. I might as well watch that.
On January 17 2009 13:32 Zev wrote: K THIS IS THE LAST F******* time i try to ever watch a SC live. Every time its laggy as hell. Every once and a while i get a nice one but no. I wish more people used a P2P type system that works. instead of a laggy ass stream.
Be thankful for what you do have you can always wait for the vods.
Watch 2 seconds. Then close your eyes for 10 seconds then open them again. Do the entire series like that. Looks like i need to wait for VOD =/
As for the PPStream i love that. It uses a great system sadly thats a different game going on. I might as well watch that.
Yeah it sucks, but it's not like we're entitled to any of this. I usually just watch the VODs the next day because lag bothers me.
On January 17 2009 13:18 Flopgun wrote: None of the streams @ opening post works for me but this one works the first time oo mms://liveongame.gscdn.com/L1
I don't think Hoejja's a bad choice. I doubt Jangbi played much PvZs on Harmony, and the last time he played Shine on it, he got raped by ling rush. Basically, Jangbi's going to have to rely more on game sense rather than practice.
On January 17 2009 14:00 OneOther wrote: Lol it kinda sucks JangBi has a no weak matchup. my boy!
His statistics are actually correct and PvP is his only matchup that he is even slightly showing any signs of weakness in his PvZ and PvT are just extraordinary.
his PvZ is probably his weakest...but I mean...he's a monster. His PvT is best tho, no?
Flash is gonna have his work cut out for him...T_T
As good as he is, I don't think ANY player has the stamina to win four in a row like that...especially when Khan has so many good players to throw at him one after another.
I thought they were going to send Flash on Harmony, but there was no chance of them sending him on Destination. Destination is actually a pretty good ZvP map, with a easily defendable 3rd. Luxury is the perfect choice here.
Too bad we won't see Jangbi's actual PvT skills here, because Flash on RH3 should be autowin, even against the best protosses.
On January 17 2009 14:05 baubo wrote: I thought they were going to send Flash on Harmony, but there was no chance of them sending him on Destination. Destination is actually a pretty good ZvP map, with a easily defendable 3rd. Luxury is the perfect choice here.
Too bad we won't see Jangbi's actual PvT skills here, because Flash on RH3 should be autowin, even against the best protosses.
Any of Janbi's PvT games show just how amazing his PvT is
On January 17 2009 14:01 No_eL wrote: i hate this pl format.... jangbi its just not fair... if he loses... its stork behind!!!
so painful to watch =(
lol i know what you mean.
its
jangbi oh he loses? np. stork. he loses? NP! FBH.
haha. and ktf has like
flash and lux.
BeSt Oh loss? np BiSu lose? Fantasy lose? Boxer/Midas/Oov
they need a zerg dont they or they dont?! ZOMG NO NEED FOR MOAR RACES!???
I was simply listing their best players but keep in mind we've seen 3 zergs in a row from KTF and now they will play their terran so if he loses there is no protoss.
Stamina..umm these guys play 12 hrs a day, people often overrate the stamina aspect in starcraft. A few games with rest in between should be fine considering their normal schedule.
On January 17 2009 14:09 Crunchums wrote: anyone else find it weird that in a culture in which "sexsexpussyhair" is a huge deal, the music contains uncensored instances of the word "fucking"?
because most people there don't understand english?
On January 17 2009 14:01 No_eL wrote: i hate this pl format.... jangbi its just not fair... if he loses... its stork behind!!!
so painful to watch =(
lol i know what you mean.
its
jangbi oh he loses? np. stork. he loses? NP! FBH.
haha. and ktf has like
flash and lux.
BeSt Oh loss? np BiSu lose? Fantasy lose? Boxer/Midas/Oov
they need a zerg dont they or they dont?! ZOMG NO NEED FOR MOAR RACES!???
I was simply listing their best players but keep in mind we've seen 3 zergs in a row from KTF and now they will play their terran so if he loses there is no protoss.
no i mean, they need to use each of the races(p z and t).
On January 17 2009 14:09 Crunchums wrote: anyone else find it weird that in a culture in which "sexsexpussyhair" is a huge deal, the music contains uncensored instances of the word "fucking"?
i don't think most of the koreans understand the english :o
On January 17 2009 14:01 No_eL wrote: i hate this pl format.... jangbi its just not fair... if he loses... its stork behind!!!
so painful to watch =(
lol i know what you mean.
its
jangbi oh he loses? np. stork. he loses? NP! FBH.
haha. and ktf has like
flash and lux.
BeSt Oh loss? np BiSu lose? Fantasy lose? Boxer/Midas/Oov
they need a zerg dont they or they dont?! ZOMG NO NEED FOR MOAR RACES!???
I was simply listing their best players but keep in mind we've seen 3 zergs in a row from KTF and now they will play their terran so if he loses there is no protoss.
no i mean, they need to use each of the races(p z and t).
and it's a bo7 with the 2nd-7th players hidden who knows if the Z/T/P will be on the 7th game?
On January 17 2009 14:05 baubo wrote: I thought they were going to send Flash on Harmony, but there was no chance of them sending him on Destination. Destination is actually a pretty good ZvP map, with a easily defendable 3rd. Luxury is the perfect choice here.
Too bad we won't see Jangbi's actual PvT skills here, because Flash on RH3 should be autowin, even against the best protosses.
Any of Janbi's PvT games show just how amazing his PvT is
That's true, except I'm not sure just how much he actually practiced for Rush Hour. So I anticipate some sort of cheese or one-base play, rather than all-out macro war.
Well, I think Luxury actually has a good chance here, so I don't want to get ahead of myself here. :D
On January 17 2009 14:05 baubo wrote: I thought they were going to send Flash on Harmony, but there was no chance of them sending him on Destination. Destination is actually a pretty good ZvP map, with a easily defendable 3rd. Luxury is the perfect choice here.
Too bad we won't see Jangbi's actual PvT skills here, because Flash on RH3 should be autowin, even against the best protosses.
Any of Janbi's PvT games show just how amazing his PvT is
That's true, except I'm not sure just how much he actually practiced for Rush Hour. So I anticipate some sort of cheese or one-base play, rather than all-out macro war.
Well, I think Luxury actually has a good chance here, so I don't want to get ahead of myself here. :D
PvT on Rush Hour 3 is really, really difficult so if JangBi wins this game and loses to Flash, Samsung's gotta hope FireBatHero pulls through :D
wow lux has ALOT of hydras jb regroups his archosn with his zlots moving in for lux's 3rd base again huge battle lux has 2 large of a hydra/muta force jb retreats
lux mines his main base min patch 2 move out from teh side but lux's lone ling spots ot wow lux's mutas still alive and snipes a ht lux moving in with his large hydra force 2 confront jb at the left base is lux still pumping mutas? seems liek there is always 12
o no dt in lux's main killing alot fo drones lux isnt reacting well all drones at his nat is dead as well from dt lurks now containing the 2nd pathway of jb's
wow lux's lurks seem 2 have longer range than usually but lurks die that was containing the 2nd pathway jb using that as a way 2 move his units hero mutas pick off 2 more ht's hydras come in and force jb back eventually jb will get starved
On January 17 2009 14:29 ret wrote: I don't get why we see these progamer p's counter this build so poorly on desti when zerg does it almost every single game.
Same reason we saw the zergs losing miserably to the early archon timing push right before this.
Mostly though: Jaedong showed that if you have good enough muta control, the Protoss really can't do all that much about you sniping the templars. You just have to try to engage before it happens.
great is a beast ZvZ and I think they're waiting till Flash comes out to send FBH because Flash TvT = FBH TvT level wise =P. Though with Medusa coming up after RH3 I wonder if Stork will be sent instead.
On January 17 2009 14:34 Pioneer wrote: great is a beast ZvZ and I think they're waiting till Flash comes out to send FBH because Flash TvT = FBH TvT level wise =P. Though with Medusa coming up after RH3 I wonder if Stork will be sent instead.
haha and remember how FBH plays better verses s-class players? I am pretty sure FBH is ahead in head to head like 3-0 or 4-0 against Flash, although it doesn't mean too much
I'd be afraid to play Bisu honestly. His multi-tasking is sick. He will use zealots to harass one of you bases, use temps and goons to hold of your main force, and do a revear drop in your main - all at the same time.
lux fan must have a haetattack every time he plays. U just never know what will happen. Dropping big leads, doing great come backs. Losing 20drones to a dt before notice, brilliant ht snipes etc.
On January 17 2009 14:35 Qwertify wrote: I'd be afraid to play Bisu honestly. His multi-tasking is sick. He will use zealots to harass one of you bases, use temps and goons to hold of your main force, and do a revear drop in your main - all at the same time.
The other reason why KTF may not be sending Flash is because if you think about it EVERYBODY will have builds designed to snipe him because he is pretty much the only noteworthy player on KTF at the moment.
On January 17 2009 14:34 Pioneer wrote: great is a beast ZvZ and I think they're waiting till Flash comes out to send FBH because Flash TvT = FBH TvT level wise =P. Though with Medusa coming up after RH3 I wonder if Stork will be sent instead.
haha and remember how FBH plays better verses s-class players? I am pretty sure FBH is ahead in head to head like 3-0 or 4-0 against Flash, although it doesn't mean too much
Yeah, I really think they're saving FBH for Flash and with Lux/Flash as their KTF's real last options I think if great losses we'll see FBH finish Flash and Lux off.
On January 17 2009 14:38 Solinren wrote: Somehow I think the WL works just like the proleagues, teams give a list of players who will play and they go according to that order.
There seemed to be a bit of chaos after 2nd Jangbi's win. I think KTF wasn't that sure who to send against Jangbi on destination.
On January 17 2009 14:36 Puosu wrote: I dont see why Greats zvz is considered "beastly", the only notable player he has lately beaten is Effort.
I haven't watched the games though so maybe he displayed something heroic >.>
well he's beaten a handful of good zergs besides Jaedong (Effort, Saint, GGplay)..and beating Jaedong is not the only way to prove your ZvZ is solid.
He beat GGPlay like half a year ago, so its not that .. much of a proof of being that good right now. I don't really know Saint, never looked up to him being anything special but a random zerg, so can't say anything about that.
I just think that beating a few players in a row should not be an indication that you're a beast, unless the players are like 5 S-Class players.
I'm pretty sure they send a list of players who are likely to play and then they can pick out of those players for who plays. Because otherwise it destroys the point of them not showing the team the lineup and it would be the same as normal PL.
It was posted that there is a likely players list somewhere but I forget where.
On January 17 2009 14:36 Puosu wrote: I dont see why Greats zvz is considered "beastly", the only notable player he has lately beaten is Effort.
I haven't watched the games though so maybe he displayed something heroic >.>
well he's beaten a handful of good zergs besides Jaedong (Effort, Saint, GGplay)..and beating Jaedong is not the only way to prove your ZvZ is solid.
He beat GGPlay like half a year ago, so its not that .. much of a proof of being that good right now. I don't really know Saint, never looked up to him being anything special but a random zerg, so can't say anything about that.
I just think that beating a few players in a row should not be an indication that you're a beast, unless the players are like 5 S-Class players.
Well going 6-1 in a volatile matchup like ZvZ verses solid players is enough for me to label him "beast." Because again, beating Jaedong (Who else are you talking about?) is not the only way to prove yourself.
On January 17 2009 14:47 Crunchums wrote: spore colony time apparently I've only ever seen this work once, but that was against either s2 or hyuk so that doesn't really count
Not to mention it was on medusa where 1 sunk can protect entrance to main as well as min line.
dam..... shoudl of went with my gut and added lux 2 my fantasy team.... i heard from the SKT1/ACE LR thread that intrigue has lux AND oov on his fantasy team....
On January 17 2009 14:56 Puosu wrote: FBH must've been terrible at tvz practice lately if Samsung is not sending him, ugh.
Nah, since he didn't go on RH3 they're saving him for Andromeda since Medusa isn't that good for TvZ (despite what people think concerning the mech build on Medusa the actual stats and overall games tell the truth ;p) and Andromeda is really terrible for Zerg TvZ.
i love these NGL style/winner leagues, makes things so interesting to see when the players cant plan specific builds for every single match and have sequential matches like this, not a week of prep time (Usually, i mean they can predict but im sure things are usually pretty off being a manager of a wc3 team doing this style league a few years ago).
Actually, sending Stork was a great idea even excluding the fact Z>T on Medusa, with Stork up before FBH he's got a good shot of taking down Lux then getting a go on Andro vs Flash and Andro P>T slightly then if Stork falls to Lux or Flash you have FBH to clean it up. If Stork wins Lux is gone and Stork has a slight map advantage over Flash and if Stork losses Medusa is gone and FBH goes out on Andro and wins then it's a TvT. Nice play by Khan .
"Saving" Firebathero for Flash is nuts (especially when they also have Stork's PvT)... if FBH beats Luxury.... then viola... he's playing Flash next!!!
On January 17 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote: Actually, sending Stork was a great idea even excluding the fact Z>T on Medusa, with Stork up before FBH he's got a good shot of taking down Lux then getting a go on Andro vs Flash and Andro P>T slightly then if Stork falls to Lux or Flash you have FBH to clean it up. If Stork wins Lux is gone and Stork has a slight map advantage over Flash and if Stork losses Medusa is gone and FBH goes out on Andro and wins then it's a TvT. Nice play by Khan .
On January 17 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote: Actually, sending Stork was a great idea even excluding the fact Z>T on Medusa, with Stork up before FBH he's got a good shot of taking down Lux then getting a go on Andro vs Flash and Andro P>T slightly then if Stork falls to Lux or Flash you have FBH to clean it up. If Stork wins Lux is gone and Stork has a slight map advantage over Flash and if Stork losses Medusa is gone and FBH goes out on Andro and wins then it's a TvT. Nice play by Khan .
Had they sent FBH on lux, it would be easy win (hello RH3).And now FBH could try to snipe Flash
On January 17 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote: Actually, sending Stork was a great idea even excluding the fact Z>T on Medusa, with Stork up before FBH he's got a good shot of taking down Lux then getting a go on Andro vs Flash and Andro P>T slightly then if Stork falls to Lux or Flash you have FBH to clean it up. If Stork wins Lux is gone and Stork has a slight map advantage over Flash and if Stork losses Medusa is gone and FBH goes out on Andro and wins then it's a TvT. Nice play by Khan .
Had they sent FBH on lux, it would be easy win (hello RH3).And now FBH could try to snipe Flash
Zerg has a good decent chance on RH3 vs T, on Andromeda it's really hard for a Z (especially current low econ Zs) to keep up with the Terran macro. I mean go watch Sea vs Jaedong, Sea had sloppy micro and still rolled Jaedong with macro.
Also, I think the whole "saving FBH for Flash" thing is bullshit.
The only reason why they did not send FBH is because he would then face a toss on Medusa (his chances would still be good vs KTF toss) where he could lose and let Flash have a much easier time.
random probe chillign outside lux's temples... prolly waiting till stork decides 2 spare mins for a lylon LUX RUN-BY 4 lings get thru i count 2 probes down so far
i think 3-4 probes die... i guess its worth it considering probes were constantly forced off mins cannon in main is warped so lings are stopped lair for lux
stork desperately warping cannons sairs being chased away by scourges probes are forced off mining in main while stork counters with 2 zlots dt is out for stork but its taken out gj lux
i love how protosses stopped making cannons vs muta since the scourge into hydra trend and now they getting slashed for stretching their metagame too much
wow hydra flood moving for stork... dt following and harrasing them stork with way more goons than he would want break incoming more hydras flood storks nat.... this is beautiful
On January 17 2009 15:12 TheTyranid wrote: Also, I think the whole "saving FBH for Flash" thing is bullshit.
The only reason why they did not send FBH is because he would then face a toss on Medusa (his chances would still be good vs KTF toss) where he could lose and let Flash have a much easier time.
I think you REAALLLY underestimate Flash if they can play him TvT against FBH on Medusa they will take that over tempest who is so shaky and will definitely lose in the matches to follow.
Stork got totally owned here. Luxury played really great here. Great hydra and muta micro. The way he sniped that DT which tried to sneak to his main was incredible
On January 17 2009 15:12 TheTyranid wrote: Also, I think the whole "saving FBH for Flash" thing is bullshit.
The only reason why they did not send FBH is because he would then face a toss on Medusa (his chances would still be good vs KTF toss) where he could lose and let Flash have a much easier time.
I think you REAALLLY underestimate Flash if they can play him TvT against FBH on Medusa they will take that over tempest who is so shaky and will definitely lose in the matches to follow.
Well you're thinking wrong. It's entirely possible that the KTF coach would send a Protoss in that match. I mean look Samsung sent Great instead of FBH for seemingly no apparent reason.
I think Luxury is finally proving his worth for KTF. I think he did more for KTF this day than he has the entire time he has been there in a way. Haha, gogog Lux all kill!
On January 17 2009 15:25 d(O.o)a wrote: Wow I'm really regretting not putting luxury on my fantasy team, he's playing so well against these top-notch players. Jangbi? Stork? Great? ezpz
i dont think the p's really prepared for the 9 pool build and great...yah..
On January 17 2009 15:26 Baddieko wrote: stork always is vulnerable to all-in. Even PvT.
That wasn't an all-in though. As far as I could tell, that was perfectly ordinary timing for mutas. Stork just wasn't ready. I kept waiting for him to put down that second cannon at his main, and he never did it.
On January 17 2009 15:25 d(O.o)a wrote: Wow I'm really regretting not putting luxury on my fantasy team, he's playing so well against these top-notch players. Jangbi? Stork? Great? ezpz
I'm glad I did put lux on my team
also glad I got rid of stork at the last minute for fbh
what was that commercial advertising for january 21st? was it OSL group K? or was it something else? it had one of each race in the listing but obviously I can't read korean.
On January 17 2009 15:26 Baddieko wrote: stork always is vulnerable to all-in. Even PvT.
That wasn't an all-in though. As far as I could tell, that was perfectly ordinary timing for mutas. Stork just wasn't ready. I kept waiting for him to put down that second cannon at his main, and he never did it.
It was ling all in that stopped stork's economy and won that game. Every z knows he hate to put more than 2 cannons at the nat and exploit it.
By the way EsX every single post I've seen from you has been either a 1 liner or very negative and rude. I know it's not my place to moderate but I really strongly advise that you clean up your act.
On January 17 2009 15:26 Baddieko wrote: stork always is vulnerable to all-in. Even PvT.
That wasn't an all-in though. As far as I could tell, that was perfectly ordinary timing for mutas. Stork just wasn't ready. I kept waiting for him to put down that second cannon at his main, and he never did it.
It was ling all in that stopped stork's economy and won that game. Every z knows he hate to put more than 2 cannons at the nat and exploit it.
I think Lux probably lost more in that 'ling run-by than Stork. Either way, it was very close. Is like 3-4 probes worth 12 'lings at that stage of the game? I don't think so.
On January 17 2009 15:26 Baddieko wrote: stork always is vulnerable to all-in. Even PvT.
That wasn't an all-in though. As far as I could tell, that was perfectly ordinary timing for mutas. Stork just wasn't ready. I kept waiting for him to put down that second cannon at his main, and he never did it.
It was ling all in that stopped stork's economy and won that game. Every z knows he hate to put more than 2 cannons at the nat and exploit it.
I think Lux probably lost more in that 'ling run-by than Stork. Either way, it was very close. Is like 3-4 probes worth 12 'lings at that stage of the game? I don't think so.
Stork wasn't mining at all for nearly 1 minute so definitely worth it and lost 3-4 probes. His core was so late due to this.
On January 17 2009 15:26 Baddieko wrote: stork always is vulnerable to all-in. Even PvT.
That wasn't an all-in though. As far as I could tell, that was perfectly ordinary timing for mutas. Stork just wasn't ready. I kept waiting for him to put down that second cannon at his main, and he never did it.
It was ling all in that stopped stork's economy and won that game. Every z knows he hate to put more than 2 cannons at the nat and exploit it.
I think Lux probably lost more in that 'ling run-by than Stork. Either way, it was very close. Is like 3-4 probes worth 12 'lings at that stage of the game? I don't think so.
Stork lost so much ming time it was 100% worth it to do the runby.
On January 17 2009 15:26 Baddieko wrote: stork always is vulnerable to all-in. Even PvT.
That wasn't an all-in though. As far as I could tell, that was perfectly ordinary timing for mutas. Stork just wasn't ready. I kept waiting for him to put down that second cannon at his main, and he never did it.
It was ling all in that stopped stork's economy and won that game. Every z knows he hate to put more than 2 cannons at the nat and exploit it.
I think Lux probably lost more in that 'ling run-by than Stork. Either way, it was very close. Is like 3-4 probes worth 12 'lings at that stage of the game? I don't think so.
queens nest for lux wowowowowo lux with his lurk/ling/muta force is raping fbh's army 3 lurks and lings get in2 the main burrowing in front of fbh's rax's
ALL KILL INCOMING!!!! GG! I fucking love Luxury!!!!!!! Luxury was definitely worth KTF's purchase now. Flash didn't even play. Finally it's not KTFlash.
It started bad for KTF but then Luxury appeared and raped everyone! I am so shocked that I can't believe that he managed to make an all-kill against one of the strongest teams in the proleague
I never believed any team can defeat Khan in this format, let alone 4-0 Khan while killing their Big 3, even Flash cannot do that. Luxury played phenomenally I assume, that what was he was doing instead of practicing for his match vs Yoongjoong yesterday. GJ Lux, no other player can take down Khan big 3 all at once.
On January 17 2009 16:18 samachking wrote: I never believed any team Khan defeat Khan in this format, let alone 4-0 Khan while killing their Big 3, even Flash cannot do that. Luxury played phenomenally I assume, that what was he was doing instead of practicing for his match vs Yoongjoong yesterday. GJ Lux, no other player can take down Khan big 3 all at once.
I think T and P are caught out by the sudden aggressive play by Z instead of going economy early like the past. It serves as warning in the OSL/MSL. lol. Now the rights are back for Z, T and P need to find a solution.
- This is the first all kill in the Winner's League ▲ I am grateful I did the first all kill. We(ktf) did many teamleague battles with other teams offline and I did many all kills. I think this helped alot.
- This new Winner stays format, how do you feel about it? ▲ I believe players will love this format alot more. Its fun and you can earn alot of wins. Also once you are on fire, you don't stop.
- Did you think you would all kill? ▲ Honestly I knew Jangbi would be my hardest opponent. When 2 oclock was down I felt like I lost the game, but my muta control was good. When I beat him I felt very confident.
- Long ago at the Kespa Cup you all-killed KTF. ▲ That wasn't broad casted at that time. I didn't really feel anything. However today, everyone was watching me do it so it felt amazing.
- Alot of people said stuff on the line of Flash will do everything. Did you feel bad about this? ▲ Yes I felt very bad for Flash and ashamed of myself. But I extended my practice time by 1.5x more.I believe extending my practice time is one of the reasons why my performance has increased.
- What did Flash say to you? ▲ Flash told me "Hyung you are amazing!" I felt I was doing good today too.
- Khan's aces are very difficult players. ▲ Before the match I was very worried about Firebathero. However the map was Andromeda (Luxury is 10:2 on Andromeda, which is unheard of for a ZvT record) so I earned alot of confidence that I could win.
- You destroyed great's hive play. ▲ I practice ZvZ alot anyways so I believe I was able to take the game. I actually didn't see that he was going hive. However I believed I had the "EE-HAN-TIMING" so my attack would be unblockable.
- You showed a very strong side of you when you played against Stork. ▲ Well I was up ahead 2 games from stork. Although there were times I felt threatened everything worked the way I imagined it to be.
- 스타리그에 이어 초반 공격에 집중하는 모습이다 - Like from the starleague, you are showing alot of your aggressive style. ▲ Long ago I was very very aggressive, at round 2 I tried switching to a more Game Management Style (ie savior style). Now, I want to mix both aggressive and management style. This way my opponents won't read me as easily.
- Before set 6 (FBH vs LUX), what kind of play were you imagining? ▲ FirebatHero loves 8 Raxing, so I decided to play safe.
- Your control got better and better after each game. ▲ After the Jangbi match my hands were full exercised. Thats why I think my control got better. Also when I won I got to stay in the game for the next match which made me alot happier.
- Plans for the future ▲ I will not celebrate because I did 1 allkill. I will train/practice harder so I can get better and do more. I want to raise my team's stats by the winner's league, and that is my top priority of now.
- Last words ▲ Because of proleague we practiced till 3am. I want to thank everyone and all the fans who cheered for us.
Note to myself if you want a twin in your team take them both . You never know when 1 of them will start sucking or go berserk on the strongest team in the league ....
I just woke up and I still can't believe what I had seen yesterday... Luxury winning two PvZs in one night against 2 dragons followed by beating one of the best TvZer in the world (some has argued the best) and then great in ZvZ (who is a decent Zerg sniper). Truly unbelievable!
On January 18 2009 03:54 Lebesgue wrote: I just woke up and I still can't believe what I had seen yesterday... Luxury winning two PvZs in one night against 2 dragons followed by beating one of the best TvZer in the world (some has argued the best) and then great in ZvZ (who is a decent Zerg sniper). Truly unbelievable!
What's even crazier is he pretty much dominated all 4. The closest was versus Jangbi when he lost his 3rd hatchery, but from there, it all looked so easy.
On January 18 2009 02:38 Itachii wrote: Lux - kos.
dont blame lux~ Blame January for not sending a terran on rush hour~
I wish so sure they would send FBH on that map, but noooooooo they send great in a zvz against Luxury of all people. Such a stupid move, FBH would've done a lot better on RH than Andromeda I think.
Im really happy for Lux though, hopefully he can keep this up so KTF isn't completely useless when Flash has a bad day.
Impressive :o I'm surprised both twins are performing well at the same time, and a bit sad Jangbi lost since he was on my team ; [
Jangbi vs Lux was pretty good, I liked Jangbi's sair sacrifice to kill Luxury's 3rd, but I guess that led to him being unable to protect his HTs from mutas due to not enough sairs.
Btw, can anyone who has played this map a lot tell me why 1) All the tosses try to expand on the right side instead of the left? Is it because of the bridge/so they can push at the same time?
2) With how PvZ has looked on this map lately (0-13 streak, from 20-13 to 20-26), how come nobody uses sair/reaver (either like what Jangbi used in the 2nd game or a dedicated old school version)? It seems to me that you'd be safe from mutas, could easily take your 2nd expo @ either the bridge expo or the one next to your nat, and then transition into a half map vs half map situation.
The only downside I see is that you probably can't harass that well?
I don't play P anymore so this is purely theory but I think it makes sense ;P
On January 18 2009 06:38 FrozenArbiter wrote: Impressive :o I'm surprised both twins are performing well at the same time, and a bit sad Jangbi lost since he was on my team ; [
Jangbi vs Lux was pretty good, I liked Jangbi's sair sacrifice to kill Luxury's 3rd, but I guess that led to him being unable to protect his HTs from mutas due to not enough sairs.
Btw, can anyone who has played this map a lot tell me why 1) All the tosses try to expand on the right side instead of the left? Is it because of the bridge/so they can push at the same time?
2) With how PvZ has looked on this map lately (0-13 streak, from 20-13 to 20-26), how come nobody uses sair/reaver (either like what Jangbi used in the 2nd game or a dedicated old school version)? It seems to me that you'd be safe from mutas, could easily take your 2nd expo @ either the bridge expo or the one next to your nat, and then transition into a half map vs half map situation.
The only downside I see is that you probably can't harass that well?
I don't play P anymore so this is purely theory but I think it makes sense ;P
FA not playing mighty Protoss anymore. How dare you.
On January 17 2009 16:16 OneOther wrote: Protoss needs to find an answer verses mutas sniping templars + mass hydra, ugh. Or Destination just sucks!
Amazing job though Lux, good to see him come back.
They have one! Open Sair/Reaver into quick temps. Don't lose your sairs. Its easy to hold at the bridges then you can take the left side once temps are out with the high ground with reaver + temp support.
On January 17 2009 16:16 OneOther wrote: Protoss needs to find an answer verses mutas sniping templars + mass hydra, ugh. Or Destination just sucks!
Amazing job though Lux, good to see him come back.
They have one! Open Sair/Reaver into quick temps. Don't lose your sairs. Its easy to hold at the bridges then you can take the left side once temps are out with the high ground with reaver + temp support.
Yeah, true. I remember Bisu lost his sairs as well when ZerO beat him on Destination. JangBi did, too.
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