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On October 16 2025 03:10 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2025 18:49 Peeano wrote:On October 15 2025 18:21 moktira wrote:
Very disappointing ending to an otherwise great series. Reminds of the GOM TV invitational thing after the first two GOM TV Classics where they invited Bisu to play Jaedong as the winners of the first two tournaments to play each other, it was an epic series until the last game where Jaedong gets lings through Bisu's ramp block and it ends massively anticlimactically.
Been a huge Bisu fan since 2007 so very disappointed in the outcome, he was looking great the last few games so was hoping he'd get through. At least this spares us from a PvP final. Yeah... The wet hair invitational lmao. Ironically JD admitted Bisu was the stronger player in the winner interview, Bisu just failed to block his ramp... This Bo7 was better imo, just less hyped. Reminds me of how during kespa until like 2009 there were so many cool invitationals going on. Snickers all-stars, Shinhan masters, Gomtv Invitational (first tournament that tasteless casted live entire time I think? It was definitely what got me interested in BW as an esport). Would love to see a ASL Masters to celebrate 20 seasons. Invite every winner and put them in random groups, use a mix of maps from every season.
blame kespa oversaturing the market with proleague and burning out the players and teams
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That 2nd game was insane.
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Oh man the game 2 is insane. Also that 1 base vs 1 base game with 2 gate opening
Roaring Current and semi-island maps are so great. They kinda actually open up the game. That fucking Carrier-Corsair vs Devourer-muta fight was nuts. Although i'm not sure why Bisu dived into a really terrible position vs Devourer Corsair like clearly it looked like Carrier-Corsair could beat Devourer-Muta with proper micro + spell casters. Where tf was the storms and maybe dark archons there it would would've made that a deathball that zerg had to kite instead of just bash their head. There is definitely so much potential with semi-island maps for sure
That final game is funny. Soma just went zergling speed all-in lol
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Snow vs Soma is like the ideal finals. They both havent won an ASL, right ? It's basically perfect the considered strongest player of the season and them fighting for their first ASL championship
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On October 16 2025 23:45 goody153 wrote:
Snow vs Soma is like the ideal finals. They both havent won an ASL, right ? It's basically perfect the considered strongest player of the season and them fighting for their first ASL championship
yeap, they haven't won so far an ASL trophy!
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From a Protoss' perspective, Soma is scary AF. He's the type of Zerg Protoss' fear. Extremely abusive, extremely aggressive, extremely decisive, extreme tech switches, extremely momentum-driven, and extremely knowledgeable as to how Protoss will respond to what they're scouting. He's just a beast. The first 9-12 minutes vs Soma looks like an utter nightmare from a Protoss' perspective.
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On October 17 2025 00:13 G5 wrote:
From a Protoss' perspective, Soma is scary AF. He's the type of Zerg Protoss' fear. Extremely abusive, extremely aggressive, extremely decisive, extreme tech switches, extremely momentum-driven, and extremely knowledgeable as to how Protoss will respond to what they're scouting. He's just a beast. The first 9-12 minutes vs Soma looks like an utter nightmare from a Protoss' perspective.
it’ll be interesting to see how well snow can play vs soma.
bisu does a great job at consistently scouting zerg at all stages of the game. losing the probe in the 7th game cost him. i don’t know how snow will try to combat soma’s information warfare
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On October 17 2025 00:20 CHEONSOYUN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 00:13 G5 wrote:
From a Protoss' perspective, Soma is scary AF. He's the type of Zerg Protoss' fear. Extremely abusive, extremely aggressive, extremely decisive, extreme tech switches, extremely momentum-driven, and extremely knowledgeable as to how Protoss will respond to what they're scouting. He's just a beast. The first 9-12 minutes vs Soma looks like an utter nightmare from a Protoss' perspective. it’ll be interesting to see how well snow can play vs soma. bisu does a great job at consistently scouting zerg at all stages of the game. losing the probe in the 7th game cost him. i don’t know how snow will try to combat soma’s information warfare
He has 3 choices:
1) Scout
2) Play so aggressive that it doesn't matter what his opponent is doing because he's setting the tone for the game
3) Lose
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Is it just me or is the general amount of sloppiness very high in this season? These semi finals were full of major mistakes. More like games you would expect during the qualifier or Ro24. But even the Ro24 was better on average. blegh At least this series had a couple exciting games. Too bad Soma won. Although I prefer a PvZ final, it will just be like TMNT said and a zerg will just snipe Ps to another ASL title... I just don't see Snow beating Soma and having watched their recent performances I'm not looking forward to finals either way so I would have prefered to just take a protoss champion and move on...
I stay corrected regarding protoss air btw. Yes, Bisu didn't add scouts, which I'm sure would have helped, and he made the mistake of attacking instead of holding the islands. But holy did his air fleet get destroyed by devourer/muta/scourge in the first fight... I didn't expect that.
On October 17 2025 01:13 RogueTheGOAT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 00:20 CHEONSOYUN wrote:On October 17 2025 00:13 G5 wrote:
From a Protoss' perspective, Soma is scary AF. He's the type of Zerg Protoss' fear. Extremely abusive, extremely aggressive, extremely decisive, extreme tech switches, extremely momentum-driven, and extremely knowledgeable as to how Protoss will respond to what they're scouting. He's just a beast. The first 9-12 minutes vs Soma looks like an utter nightmare from a Protoss' perspective. it’ll be interesting to see how well snow can play vs soma. bisu does a great job at consistently scouting zerg at all stages of the game. losing the probe in the 7th game cost him. i don’t know how snow will try to combat soma’s information warfare He has 3 choices: 1) Scout 2) Play so aggressive that it doesn't matter what his opponent is doing because he's setting the tone for the game 3) Lose
I don't think Snow is up for 2) so it's 1) or 3), most likely 3)...
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On October 17 2025 01:41 Miragee wrote:Is it just me or is the general amount of sloppiness very high in this season? These semi finals were full of major mistakes. More like games you would expect during the qualifier or Ro24. But even the Ro24 was better on average. blegh At least this series had a couple exciting games. Too bad Soma won. Although I prefer a PvZ final, it will just be like TMNT said and a zerg will just snipe Ps to another ASL title... I just don't see Snow beating Soma and having watched their recent performances I'm not looking forward to finals either way so I would have prefered to just take a protoss champion and move on... I stay corrected regarding protoss air btw. Yes, Bisu didn't add scouts, which I'm sure would have helped, and he made the mistake of attacking instead of holding the islands. But holy did his air fleet get destroyed by devourer/muta/scourge in the first fight... I didn't expect that. Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 01:13 RogueTheGOAT wrote:On October 17 2025 00:20 CHEONSOYUN wrote:On October 17 2025 00:13 G5 wrote:
From a Protoss' perspective, Soma is scary AF. He's the type of Zerg Protoss' fear. Extremely abusive, extremely aggressive, extremely decisive, extreme tech switches, extremely momentum-driven, and extremely knowledgeable as to how Protoss will respond to what they're scouting. He's just a beast. The first 9-12 minutes vs Soma looks like an utter nightmare from a Protoss' perspective. it’ll be interesting to see how well snow can play vs soma. bisu does a great job at consistently scouting zerg at all stages of the game. losing the probe in the 7th game cost him. i don’t know how snow will try to combat soma’s information warfare He has 3 choices: 1) Scout 2) Play so aggressive that it doesn't matter what his opponent is doing because he's setting the tone for the game 3) Lose I don't think Snow is up for 2) so it's 1) or 3), most likely 3)...
Unfortunately it wouldn't. You can stack 2 scouts for the price of 1 full carrier however the question is how do you deal with devourers with your attack speed debuff after the first acid spore volley? A: you don't. Bisu would have had a better chance with DA and HTs although we could see the same split second Soulkey decision to split off the main bulk of his mutalisks and attack with just 3 to bait the singular maelstrom. After soma could pull it off, it would be back to square one, although he would have rough time sniping HTs still.
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On October 17 2025 01:41 Miragee wrote:Is it just me or is the general amount of sloppiness very high in this season? These semi finals were full of major mistakes. More like games you would expect during the qualifier or Ro24. But even the Ro24 was better on average. blegh At least this series had a couple exciting games. Too bad Soma won. Although I prefer a PvZ final, it will just be like TMNT said and a zerg will just snipe Ps to another ASL title... I just don't see Snow beating Soma and having watched their recent performances I'm not looking forward to finals either way so I would have prefered to just take a protoss champion and move on... I stay corrected regarding protoss air btw. Yes, Bisu didn't add scouts, which I'm sure would have helped, and he made the mistake of attacking instead of holding the islands. But holy did his air fleet get destroyed by devourer/muta/scourge in the first fight... I didn't expect that. Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 01:13 RogueTheGOAT wrote:On October 17 2025 00:20 CHEONSOYUN wrote:On October 17 2025 00:13 G5 wrote:
From a Protoss' perspective, Soma is scary AF. He's the type of Zerg Protoss' fear. Extremely abusive, extremely aggressive, extremely decisive, extreme tech switches, extremely momentum-driven, and extremely knowledgeable as to how Protoss will respond to what they're scouting. He's just a beast. The first 9-12 minutes vs Soma looks like an utter nightmare from a Protoss' perspective. it’ll be interesting to see how well snow can play vs soma. bisu does a great job at consistently scouting zerg at all stages of the game. losing the probe in the 7th game cost him. i don’t know how snow will try to combat soma’s information warfare He has 3 choices: 1) Scout 2) Play so aggressive that it doesn't matter what his opponent is doing because he's setting the tone for the game 3) Lose I don't think Snow is up for 2) so it's 1) or 3), most likely 3)...
its not just the semi finals. its just pro starcraft in general.
on average i think offline performances arent as good as online and even online games like proleague are plagued with sloppy play. if you watch proleague 90% of commentary by the spectating pros is all "wtf is he doing?" or something similar. our favourite pros have gotten old
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On October 17 2025 01:41 Miragee wrote:Is it just me or is the general amount of sloppiness very high in this season? These semi finals were full of major mistakes. More like games you would expect during the qualifier or Ro24. But even the Ro24 was better on average. blegh At least this series had a couple exciting games. Too bad Soma won. Although I prefer a PvZ final, it will just be like TMNT said and a zerg will just snipe Ps to another ASL title... I just don't see Snow beating Soma and having watched their recent performances I'm not looking forward to finals either way so I would have prefered to just take a protoss champion and move on... I stay corrected regarding protoss air btw. Yes, Bisu didn't add scouts, which I'm sure would have helped, and he made the mistake of attacking instead of holding the islands. But holy did his air fleet get destroyed by devourer/muta/scourge in the first fight... I didn't expect that. Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 01:13 RogueTheGOAT wrote:On October 17 2025 00:20 CHEONSOYUN wrote:On October 17 2025 00:13 G5 wrote:
From a Protoss' perspective, Soma is scary AF. He's the type of Zerg Protoss' fear. Extremely abusive, extremely aggressive, extremely decisive, extreme tech switches, extremely momentum-driven, and extremely knowledgeable as to how Protoss will respond to what they're scouting. He's just a beast. The first 9-12 minutes vs Soma looks like an utter nightmare from a Protoss' perspective. it’ll be interesting to see how well snow can play vs soma. bisu does a great job at consistently scouting zerg at all stages of the game. losing the probe in the 7th game cost him. i don’t know how snow will try to combat soma’s information warfare He has 3 choices: 1) Scout 2) Play so aggressive that it doesn't matter what his opponent is doing because he's setting the tone for the game 3) Lose I don't think Snow is up for 2) so it's 1) or 3), most likely 3)...
Snow died to a 7th minute Hydra bust from Soma in Proleague today also. Just saying.
He opened Gate first, sent 2 Zealots out for pressure, got behind the mineral line and had the best trade you could realistically have. After that, Soma still had 12 Lings, he showed speed, Snow obviously stayed back because of that, he built 2 cannons, the Hydras arrived when the Corsair on its way out, gg. I think Soma had a 953 instead of a 973 build.
That kind of game. It always happens from time to time. The only realistic way to prevent is blind counter.
In a Bo7 between players of equal skill, there will always be 1 or 2 games like that bound to happen. It's really hard for Protoss to not lose 4 out of 7 when on top of that, you also have free win kind of map for Zerg like Roaring Currents, Death Valley, Monty Hall.
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Honestly anyone whos played island maps and reached late game air compositions was 100% expecting bisu to get face rolled. you cant beat late game zerg with with sair and like 5 carriers. you need d.a, arbiter...you need to pray to god, frankly. if zerg reaches late game in an even footing with protoss in an air scenario, the game is all but over already.
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On October 17 2025 04:48 Ze'ev wrote:
Honestly anyone whos played island maps and reached late game air compositions was 100% expecting bisu to get face rolled. you cant beat late game zerg with with sair and like 5 carriers. you need d.a, arbiter...you need to pray to god, frankly. if zerg reaches late game in an even footing with protoss in an air scenario, the game is all but over already.
Yes, honestly I cannot understand this along with the death valley game last season in which Soulkey rolled over snow. I cannot tell if people expect miracles, or don't know the mechanics of the game and expect odds to be in their favourite player's favour.
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On October 17 2025 02:24 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 01:41 Miragee wrote:Is it just me or is the general amount of sloppiness very high in this season? These semi finals were full of major mistakes. More like games you would expect during the qualifier or Ro24. But even the Ro24 was better on average. blegh At least this series had a couple exciting games. Too bad Soma won. Although I prefer a PvZ final, it will just be like TMNT said and a zerg will just snipe Ps to another ASL title... I just don't see Snow beating Soma and having watched their recent performances I'm not looking forward to finals either way so I would have prefered to just take a protoss champion and move on... I stay corrected regarding protoss air btw. Yes, Bisu didn't add scouts, which I'm sure would have helped, and he made the mistake of attacking instead of holding the islands. But holy did his air fleet get destroyed by devourer/muta/scourge in the first fight... I didn't expect that. On October 17 2025 01:13 RogueTheGOAT wrote:On October 17 2025 00:20 CHEONSOYUN wrote:On October 17 2025 00:13 G5 wrote:
From a Protoss' perspective, Soma is scary AF. He's the type of Zerg Protoss' fear. Extremely abusive, extremely aggressive, extremely decisive, extreme tech switches, extremely momentum-driven, and extremely knowledgeable as to how Protoss will respond to what they're scouting. He's just a beast. The first 9-12 minutes vs Soma looks like an utter nightmare from a Protoss' perspective. it’ll be interesting to see how well snow can play vs soma. bisu does a great job at consistently scouting zerg at all stages of the game. losing the probe in the 7th game cost him. i don’t know how snow will try to combat soma’s information warfare He has 3 choices: 1) Scout 2) Play so aggressive that it doesn't matter what his opponent is doing because he's setting the tone for the game 3) Lose I don't think Snow is up for 2) so it's 1) or 3), most likely 3)... Snow died to a 7th minute Hydra bust from Soma in Proleague today also. Just saying. He opened Gate first, sent 2 Zealots out for pressure, got behind the mineral line and had the best trade you could realistically have. After that, Soma still had 12 Lings, he showed speed, Snow obviously stayed back because of that, he built 2 cannons, the Hydras arrived when the Corsair on its way out, gg. I think Soma had a 953 instead of a 973 build. That kind of game. It always happens from time to time. The only realistic way to prevent is blind counter. In a Bo7 between players of equal skill, there will always be 1 or 2 games like that bound to happen. It's really hard for Protoss to not lose 4 out of 7 when on top of that, you also have free win kind of map for Zerg like Roaring Currents, Death Valley, Monty Hall.
It took some time for people to notice this but snow, along with soulkey are not fast players. If it were rich playing, I'd 100% root for a protoss victory, but it is lost in translation. New players cannot reach finals, but I expect them to deliver more than these dinosaurs of starcraft.
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On October 17 2025 07:42 mtcn77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 04:48 Ze'ev wrote:
Honestly anyone whos played island maps and reached late game air compositions was 100% expecting bisu to get face rolled. you cant beat late game zerg with with sair and like 5 carriers. you need d.a, arbiter...you need to pray to god, frankly. if zerg reaches late game in an even footing with protoss in an air scenario, the game is all but over already. Yes, honestly I cannot understand this along with the death valley game last season in which Soulkey rolled over snow. I cannot tell if people expect miracles, or don't know the mechanics of the game and expect odds to be in their favourite player's favour. People often think there engaging in critical thinking when there just repeating shallow mantras. "Protoss is favoured on island maps!" was the line that created that map.
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On October 17 2025 08:42 Ze'ev wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 07:42 mtcn77 wrote:On October 17 2025 04:48 Ze'ev wrote:
Honestly anyone whos played island maps and reached late game air compositions was 100% expecting bisu to get face rolled. you cant beat late game zerg with with sair and like 5 carriers. you need d.a, arbiter...you need to pray to god, frankly. if zerg reaches late game in an even footing with protoss in an air scenario, the game is all but over already. Yes, honestly I cannot understand this along with the death valley game last season in which Soulkey rolled over snow. I cannot tell if people expect miracles, or don't know the mechanics of the game and expect odds to be in their favourite player's favour. People often think there engaging in critical thinking when there just repeating shallow mantras. "Protoss is favoured on island maps!" was the line that created that map.
I was also under the spell watching the qualifying stages. I honestly blame the casters for purporting false narratives. It took me until the tournament proper to see how wrong an assumption it was, but I'm all for that map. I think it being a zerg map is also false. No, it is just a super greedy map with odds in favour of anybody who plays ultra greedy. Personally I like it since pros take super unnecessary risks for FE which I hate.
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really wanted to see bisu in the finals but i'm also glad the finals isn't a mirror matchup
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On October 17 2025 08:59 mtcn77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 08:42 Ze'ev wrote:On October 17 2025 07:42 mtcn77 wrote:On October 17 2025 04:48 Ze'ev wrote:
Honestly anyone whos played island maps and reached late game air compositions was 100% expecting bisu to get face rolled. you cant beat late game zerg with with sair and like 5 carriers. you need d.a, arbiter...you need to pray to god, frankly. if zerg reaches late game in an even footing with protoss in an air scenario, the game is all but over already. Yes, honestly I cannot understand this along with the death valley game last season in which Soulkey rolled over snow. I cannot tell if people expect miracles, or don't know the mechanics of the game and expect odds to be in their favourite player's favour. People often think there engaging in critical thinking when there just repeating shallow mantras. "Protoss is favoured on island maps!" was the line that created that map. I was also under the spell watching the qualifying stages. I honestly blame the casters for purporting false narratives. It took me until the tournament proper to see how wrong an assumption it was, but I'm all for that map. I think it being a zerg map is also false. No, it is just a super greedy map with odds in favour of anybody who plays ultra greedy. Personally I like it since pros take super unnecessary risks for FE which I hate.
Yeah its not a Zerg map, zergs had not lost a single official game on it, but similarly to Death Valley it shows that they are just superior players
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haven't watched BW in over a decade but i saw the RO8 a couple weeks ago on youtube and it got me hooked again. what a set!! sad for bisu to not make it to the finals but fingers crossed for snow
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