EPT[ASL19] Ro24 Group F - Page 4
| Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments |
|
Rainalcar
Croatia424 Posts
| ||
Peeano
Netherlands5219 Posts
On April 02 2025 21:37 konadora wrote: yeah forfeiting his nat's economy to go for a non-existent base without scouting properly... really gave some room for Action to comeback Ssak played this entire game as if he was playing to not lose Because there was no 3rd of Zerg for the longest time. sSak did the right thing there, he just got outplayed. 2 base Terran with 3 gas >> 2 base Zerg. | ||
|
SCRVN
135 Posts
On April 02 2025 21:18 TMNT wrote: Sigh.Tulbo is obviously one tier below Action but games that pan out like this is the reason why PvZ remains the most broken matchup. Zerg opens with a tool who can kill Protoss immediately. Protoss holds, but still is not ahead. Zerg turtles up. 4 base Protoss is supposed to be favored against 4 base Zerg, but still can not kill Zerg. Protoss denies Zerg at one corner, then another corner, it still expands at the other. Then we get 6 base Protoss vs 6 base Zerg, which actually favors Zerg because all the right Protoss units can't be at the right place at the right time every time, while Zerg can. It's the only matchup in the game where the less mobile but stronger army is not ahead of the more mobile weaker army when both are on the same economy. Just replace Protoss to Terran you will see an amazing thing. It's still right at all! It takes 27 years to everyone knows StarCraft is not balance game and Zerg is the best race in all matchup, all stage in the game. | ||
|
BoesFX
1456 Posts
| ||
|
Simplistik
2094 Posts
On April 02 2025 21:39 konadora wrote: a lot of non-qualified players say he's pretty decent and actually seems to help him a lot for his individual leagues, and he always has some really interesting builds, but jesus sometimes he just fumbles so hard and does some really stupid shit lol Can't deny that. He just doesn't seem to have that killer instinct when the games go long. Maybe he gets tired? | ||
|
WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On April 02 2025 22:29 Simplistik wrote: Can't deny that. He just doesn't seem to have that killer instinct when the games go long. Maybe he gets tired? Was he the guy who threw a basically won game by losing a shuttle full of reavery goodness to a missile turret? I guess it’s just hard enough stepping up on stage, and mentally even tougher if you’ve had a few rough ones. I imagine adrenaline can carry you pretty far too, but perhaps in a long game your mentality shifts a bit from doing your plan and trying to win, versus trying not to lose or throw. | ||
|
TMNT
3117 Posts
On April 02 2025 21:46 SCRVN wrote: Just replace Protoss to Terran you will see an amazing thing. It's still right at all! It takes 27 years to everyone knows StarCraft is not balance game and Zerg is the best race in all matchup, all stage in the game. Well, maybe Action is just great at crawling back from behind. He did it again in the last game. But yes, at least Zerg has the tools to do so. Terran a little bit. Protoss lol. | ||
|
TMNT
3117 Posts
On April 02 2025 22:29 Simplistik wrote: Can't deny that. He just doesn't seem to have that killer instinct when the games go long. Maybe he gets tired? But YSC didn't fumble this game did he? Didn't do any stupid shit, didn't throw away army, decent storms, kept trying to deny Zerg expansion while expanding himself, good reactions to Zerg's shenanigans. I think he played a standard, solid game. But playing solid doesn't win you games vs late game turtle Zerg. You have to play amazingly. The only big criticism is probably the late transition to Reaver. 2 Reavers during that big attack to top right would seal the game for him, perhaps. | ||
|
konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On April 02 2025 22:59 TMNT wrote: But YSC didn't fumble this game did he? Didn't do any stupid shit, didn't throw away army, decent storms, kept trying to deny Zerg expansion while expanding himself, good reactions to Zerg's shenanigans. I think he played a standard, solid game. But playing solid doesn't win you games vs late game turtle Zerg. You have to play amazingly. The only big criticism is probably the late transition to Reaver. 2 Reavers during that big attack to top right would seal the game for him, perhaps. its clear that he isnt that experienced with late game macro. the casters were calling him out for sticking to zealot/dragoons that late into the game, because against a hive zerg, zealot/dragoon melts really fast and takes a long time to rebuild, whereas YSC should have started transitioning to reaver/ht/archons. he had like 1.5k gas at one point | ||
|
konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On April 02 2025 22:44 WombaT wrote: Was he the guy who threw a basically won game by losing a shuttle full of reavery goodness to a missile turret? I guess it’s just hard enough stepping up on stage, and mentally even tougher if you’ve had a few rough ones. I imagine adrenaline can carry you pretty far too, but perhaps in a long game your mentality shifts a bit from doing your plan and trying to win, versus trying not to lose or throw. yes lol he's that guy | ||
|
Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
| ||
|
RogerChillingworth
Chad3116 Posts
BTW I'm hoping everyone saw the double maelstrom on the lurkers in YSC vs Action. Imagine if there were a storm or even some zealots there..WOW. My head woulda exploded. | ||
|
Lazyer
United States365 Posts
I wonder if the last game could have been a top 10 game in ASL 19. | ||
|
sas.Sziky
Hungary333 Posts
| ||
|
TMNT
3117 Posts
On April 03 2025 03:21 sas.Sziky wrote: i was happy after the first few groups where no Zerg advance (there was no talk of balance ). But after of course when Zergs advancing the statistic and analysis king (TMNT) starts again talking of balance. But he still doesn't understand SC so shame t.t There is no Zerg worthy of advancing in the first 4 groups. And my opinion is not based on Zerg advancing, but on the manner that game played out. You neither have reading comprehension nor a logical argument. But yeah keep on whining because you can't win against your Protoss peers. | ||
|
WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On April 03 2025 03:21 sas.Sziky wrote: i was happy after the first few groups where no Zerg advance (there was no talk of balance ). But after of course when Zergs advancing the statistic and analysis king (TMNT) starts again talking of balance. But he still doesn't understand SC so shame t.t I mean neither do I on a high level but hey. I like to think at this stage I’ve a decent layman’s understanding but nothing beyond that. YSC got to a decent spot against Action, but he didn’t seem to have any great ideas on how to actually win. His Reaver transition was quite late and he lost a couple being out on the map, versus sitting untouchable behind cannons with a few temps. sSak and Action was full of blunders on both sides that could have cost either the game, but when it came to crunch time Action grinded it out that bit better. He caught what 2-3 drops with diligent Ovie spread and scourge hitsquads while barely clinging on. Sure BW isn’t 100% balanced for all scenarios, few games are not even chess. But if ever there’s a day where good play triumphing over and above balance was the differentiator, today’s one of those days. | ||
|
iopq
United States1053 Posts
| ||
|
Expensive-Law-9830
130 Posts
On April 02 2025 21:18 TMNT wrote: Sigh.Tulbo is obviously one tier below Action but games that pan out like this is the reason why PvZ remains the most broken matchup. Zerg opens with a tool who can kill Protoss immediately. Protoss holds, but still is not ahead. Zerg turtles up. 4 base Protoss is supposed to be favored against 4 base Zerg, but still can not kill Zerg. Protoss denies Zerg at one corner, then another corner, it still expands at the other. Then we get 6 base Protoss vs 6 base Zerg, which actually favors Zerg because all the right Protoss units can't be at the right place at the right time every time, while Zerg can. It's the only matchup in the game where the less mobile but stronger army is not ahead of the more mobile weaker army when both are on the same economy. Bro dismissed a great comeback play and started balance whine out of nowhere lmao. | ||
|
TornadoSteve
1109 Posts
| ||
|
RogerChillingworth
Chad3116 Posts
Like hey, Charles Dickens, there's a typo on page 437 of Tale of Two Cities! Uhmm, hello???? Anyone gonna do something about this??? This game is a mosquito with DINO DNA trapped inside of an amber chamber. Anyone who complains should be forced to watch 72 hours of Battle Aces with their eyelids stapled open Clockwork Orange style. Then maybe they'll appreciate fresh water and toilet paper again. On April 03 2025 08:20 TornadoSteve wrote: Guys, look at this 16 players list lol. Go Scan&barracks! Ro8: Mini, Soulkey, Speed, hero, Rush, Mini, Barracks, Queen, ZeLoT, jinjin | ||
| ||
