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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
April 28 2024 00:55 GMT
#61
The way SK is playing, he might break Flash’s records in the next two years.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States365 Posts
April 28 2024 01:10 GMT
#62
bring back sparkle LOL
bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
114 Posts
April 28 2024 02:51 GMT
#63
For those who didn't realize, throughout the history of ASL (all 16 seasons in the past), whoever wins the first game in the finals always wins the title, until SK just broke this pattern in ASL 17. A truly master of comeback.

FWIW, SK might be one of the least diligent pros, he was playing League of Legends for 6+ hours just a few days before the finals.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey745 Posts
April 28 2024 03:56 GMT
#64
Didn't watch the games congrats to SK for b2b titles.
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2719 Posts
April 28 2024 04:56 GMT
#65
Chosagi?
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
Sonic_md
Profile Joined March 2020
Moldova277 Posts
April 28 2024 06:31 GMT
#66
[image loading]
Now I'm waiting for ASL18.
Subscribe to my YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Sonic_md...."SC:BW it is just game, but i love this game!" (c)Sonic_md.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1013 Posts
April 28 2024 07:22 GMT
#67
On April 28 2024 05:46 Rainalcar wrote:
ZvZ is a travesty, an utterly broken mirror. And it has so much potential... Truly a disgrace. And finals like this is a disaster for the scene.


didn't the favored build order win every game?
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7816 Posts
April 28 2024 07:25 GMT
#68
Nice win by SK... at least it went to game 7. Sucks it was ZvZ but it is what it is. GGs
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1441 Posts
April 28 2024 07:54 GMT
#69
With the current setup at the ASL venue - the players sitting on stage right in front of the audience, with just a screen blocking their view of the audience, wearing ear-buds and head-sets/ear protection, aka no booth - wow comes they don't have issues with crowd reactions giving away stuff to the players?

Is the crowd too small to be loud enough or is the crowd just urged to stay quiet? What about the casters' yelling?
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1043 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-28 11:49:37
April 28 2024 11:44 GMT
#70
On April 28 2024 11:51 bochs wrote:
For those who didn't realize, throughout the history of ASL (all 16 seasons in the past), whoever wins the first game in the finals always wins the title, until SK just broke this pattern in ASL 17. A truly master of comeback.

FWIW, SK might be one of the least diligent pros, he was playing League of Legends for 6+ hours just a few days before the finals.

SK and HerO both played no sponsor matches or events in the days leading up to the Finals. Few other top zergs also weren't playing. Usually that means they're practicing offline. Pretty certain they did over 12 hours of ZvZ specific practice and brainstorming leading up to the finals. Which is honestly less than what they did for the semi-finals and quarter finals. ZvZ can't really be practiced for that much or brainstormed for that much. It the most basic match-up.

I know for the JyJ vs Mind finals from last year they spend the entire week leading up to the finals playing only TvTs offline. Season 16 finals also had Soulkey not streaming for the entire week beside 2 proleagues at the start of that week.

Soulkey documented pro vs pro games(only streamed games count) from ELOBOARD leading up to the finals:
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Hero's games:
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JDON MY SOUL!
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria378 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-28 13:20:18
April 28 2024 13:19 GMT
#71
Money is the greatest motivator indeed.
Deserved win for my fav zerg guy.
If Z winning vs Z isn't proof of Zesagi, don't know what is - even Z can't win vs Z...
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3685 Posts
April 28 2024 14:46 GMT
#72
4 pages of comments for an ASL final lol? Is the BW scene dying, or is no one caring about ZvZ?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21973 Posts
April 28 2024 15:08 GMT
#73
On April 28 2024 23:46 superjoppe wrote:
4 pages of comments for an ASL final lol? Is the BW scene dying, or is no one caring about ZvZ?
ZvZ
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
114 Posts
April 28 2024 17:57 GMT
#74
SK is in Korea's YTN news after winning 2 ASLs in a row:
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria378 Posts
April 28 2024 17:59 GMT
#75
On April 28 2024 23:46 superjoppe wrote:
4 pages of comments for an ASL final lol? Is the BW scene dying, or is no one caring about ZvZ?

Considering the only practice was the players going to the PC shop for new keyboards because SZ keys broke - yeah.
fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States788 Posts
April 28 2024 21:03 GMT
#76
On April 28 2024 16:22 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2024 05:46 Rainalcar wrote:
ZvZ is a travesty, an utterly broken mirror. And it has so much potential... Truly a disgrace. And finals like this is a disaster for the scene.


didn't the favored build order win every game?


All but Game 6.

G1: 12H expo > 12H main
G2: 12P > 9P
G3: 11P > 9P
G4: 12H > 11H
G5: 12P > 9P
G6: 9P > OvP
G7: 12H > 11P
NAKR`flying
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3091 Posts
April 28 2024 22:43 GMT
#77
On April 28 2024 16:54 Highgamer wrote:
With the current setup at the ASL venue - the players sitting on stage right in front of the audience, with just a screen blocking their view of the audience, wearing ear-buds and head-sets/ear protection, aka no booth - wow comes they don't have issues with crowd reactions giving away stuff to the players?

Is the crowd too small to be loud enough or is the crowd just urged to stay quiet? What about the casters' yelling?

They do. The lastest major incident was Royal finding out Shuttle's proxy DT (his SCV missed Shuttle's proxy buildings by a few pixels but then turned back after hearing the crowd's reaction). I think it happened just last season.

They (the organizers) don't care though as far as I know.
jghjghrtz
Profile Joined April 2024
1 Post
Last Edited: 2024-04-29 09:36:42
April 29 2024 09:29 GMT
#78
--- Nuked ---
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8145 Posts
April 29 2024 13:28 GMT
#79
On April 29 2024 07:43 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2024 16:54 Highgamer wrote:
With the current setup at the ASL venue - the players sitting on stage right in front of the audience, with just a screen blocking their view of the audience, wearing ear-buds and head-sets/ear protection, aka no booth - wow comes they don't have issues with crowd reactions giving away stuff to the players?

Is the crowd too small to be loud enough or is the crowd just urged to stay quiet? What about the casters' yelling?

They do. The lastest major incident was Royal finding out Shuttle's proxy DT (his SCV missed Shuttle's proxy buildings by a few pixels but then turned back after hearing the crowd's reaction). I think it happened just last season.

They (the organizers) don't care though as far as I know.


Was there any backlash from korean fanbase about this? I remember being really pissed off about it haha. And shuttle has a really big fanbase...
Free Palestine
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8145 Posts
April 29 2024 13:35 GMT
#80
On April 27 2024 22:50 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2024 22:02 M2 wrote:
On April 27 2024 21:24 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On April 27 2024 21:13 M2 wrote:
Overall it was a pretty decent ASL imo. My biggest disappointment was that 9 out 11 PvZs we got in the playoffs were all ins. And even in this final 5/7 (if we count game 7 as well, since it is arguable there) of the games were BOs wins. I am not sure if this is what BW has turned into or it was just this tournament, but I was hoping for more "standard" games with an all in here and there

I'm going to go there and say it: ASL never had the best quality games to begin with. Much better quality and more exciting games are being played in other, smaller "starleagues", KCM and Ultimate Battle series as well as The Daily Proleague.

What do you think is the reason for this? Do you think that the preparation games on average became worse quality than the improvisation games?

there's a general feeling that players are more comfortable playing at home than in a booth.


I think that's always been the case, but back in the KESPA days there were a lot of players that became way more comfortable playing offline because there were so many more offline games in a year (4+ starleagues and year-round proleague meant that A or S class players were playing 60+ games per year offline), and those games were THE only things that mattered. Nowadays offline games are almost a novelty (even if you're making the Ro8 regularly, you're only playing a handful of games on stage per year), and money-wise matters way less than online proleague matches.

Kind of crazy though that a guy like Jaedong who has played 100s of offline games (maybe over a 1000 between BW and SC2 + prelims and special tournaments etc?) has already lost a a bit of his cool from playing offline just after a couple years of offline atrophy.
Free Palestine
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