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[ASL17] Grand Finals
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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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its been fixed | ||
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G5
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 27 2024 12:19 G5 wrote: Really hoping herO wins. I'm actually fine with either, but hero does deserve the win, despite it only being his second finals appearance, he is the most consistent performer in the ASL with a whopping 7 Ro4 appearances, Flash is the only other person to do that. | ||
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cheesehuehue
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On April 27 2024 12:30 BLinD-RawR wrote: ... he is the most consistent performer in the ASL with a whopping 7 Ro4 appearances Maybe he is the most consistent (consistent, as in getting similar results over and over again), but a few players outperform him results-wise. Mini with 1 gold, 3 silvers, and 1 top4, and Queen with 2 golds and 2 top4 have arguably performed, on average, better than him. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova275 Posts
But for there to be another champion, herO must win. In ASL history, only Flash and ZerO have ever defended the title. | ||
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Sonic_md
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Comedy
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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masoka82
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prosatan
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M3t4PhYzX
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On April 27 2024 17:20 prosatan wrote: not so many viewers .... calm has by far the most , but still under 20k... considering the matchup I can't really blame them tbh  | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
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prosatan
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On April 27 2024 17:34 M3t4PhYzX wrote: considering the matchup I can't really blame them tbh  | ||
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prosatan
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On April 27 2024 17:36 M3t4PhYzX wrote: they need to bring back the 3rd place match yes M3t4PhYzX !! here in Romania we call that game (for 3rd place) "Little Final " | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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M3t4PhYzX
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On April 27 2024 17:38 prosatan wrote: yes M3t4PhYzX !! here in Romania we call that game (for 3rd place) "Little Final " same here where I live  without the big pressure it, more often than not, had much better and more exciting games than the grand final tbh real damn shame they've removed it | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21685 Posts
On April 27 2024 18:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: Its a ZvZ. Was it ever going to be different?sub 1 hour finals inc | ||
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Highgamer
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No seriously, it's fun to watch actually despite the coin-flippyness, but the short finals suck. They should just double or at least increase the number of games if it's a ZvZ final. Bo11, Bo13, short breaks, just gogogo. Players might take more risks then because there's always another game, and chances for an epic lategame increase. But I'm sure this idea has been pondered before and there's some problem with it that I'm missing. (Possible ultra-long finals mb if too many games actually go past 6-7 minutes) | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 27 2024 18:09 Gorsameth wrote: Its a ZvZ. Was it ever going to be different? ive seen better zvz finals | ||
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Gorsameth
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I missed game 1 but 2 and 3 have been particularly shit. first building choice deciding the game is just zzzz | ||
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earob84
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G5
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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M3t4PhYzX
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congratulations to the winner | ||
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TMNT
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 27 2024 19:38 TMNT wrote: So since 2023 Soulkey has pocketed KRW 200M+ alone from Proleague and winning two ASLs. Surely he doesn't need money now? he always needs money lmao | ||
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M2
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On April 27 2024 21:13 M2 wrote: Overall it was a pretty decent ASL imo. My biggest disappointment was that 9 out 11 PvZs we got in the playoffs were all ins. And even in this final 5/7 (if we count game 7 as well, since it is arguable there) of the games were BOs wins. I am not sure if this is what BW has turned into or it was just this tournament, but I was hoping for more "standard" games with an all in here and there I'm going to go there and say it: ASL never had the best quality games to begin with. Much better quality and more exciting games are being played in other, smaller "starleagues", KCM and Ultimate Battle series as well as The Daily Proleague. | ||
Peeano
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Edit: At the time I wrote this, well after the stream had ended, the polls only had 2-5 votes. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
On April 27 2024 21:24 M3t4PhYzX wrote: I'm going to go there and say it: ASL never had the best quality games to begin with. Much better quality and more exciting games are being played in other, smaller "starleagues", KCM and Ultimate Battle series as well as The Daily Proleague. What do you think is the reason for this? Do you think that the preparation games on average became worse quality than the improvisation games? | ||
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prosatan
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On April 27 2024 21:38 Peeano wrote: The amount of votes on the polls... Oh my... No1 here cares about ZvZ lmao I voted ! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 27 2024 22:02 M2 wrote: What do you think is the reason for this? Do you think that the preparation games on average became worse quality than the improvisation games? there's a general feeling that players are more comfortable playing at home than in a booth. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On April 27 2024 22:02 M2 wrote: What do you think is the reason for this? Do you think that the preparation games on average became worse quality than the improvisation games? Preparation or lack thereof probably has something to do with it, yes.. but II would say, that much lower pressure of playing offline and with no prestigious title on the line is the most obvious and probably the biggest factor in this happening. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands882 Posts
If we get a map pool more like ASL13-15 we will likely see more quality games again. This ASL had some amazing games that were legit peak starcraft, but most games were cheese and all in Because zerg is just disadvantaged on this map pool with standard play. Pros I talked to did not like any of the maps beside Retro and Apocalypse. | ||
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outscar
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BisuDagger
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RogerChillingworth
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Now if Mini had just played a liiiiiiitle better  | ||
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Peeano
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Rainalcar
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Galacsia
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On April 27 2024 21:38 Peeano wrote: The amount of votes on the polls... Oh my... No1 here cares about ZvZ lmao I like ZvZ but the games this finals were pretty boring. Worst finals maybe tied by ASL 15 finals. | ||
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BisuDagger
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Lazyer
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bochs
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FWIW, SK might be one of the least diligent pros, he was playing League of Legends for 6+ hours just a few days before the finals. | ||
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HOLYBATS
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Terrorbladder
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Sonic_md
Moldova275 Posts
![[image loading]](https://medialeaks.ru/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/b16-559x550.jpg) Now I'm waiting for ASL18. | ||
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iopq
United States924 Posts
On April 28 2024 05:46 Rainalcar wrote: ZvZ is a travesty, an utterly broken mirror. And it has so much potential... Truly a disgrace. And finals like this is a disaster for the scene. didn't the favored build order win every game? | ||
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Vasoline73
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Highgamer
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Is the crowd too small to be loud enough or is the crowd just urged to stay quiet? What about the casters' yelling? | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands882 Posts
On April 28 2024 11:51 bochs wrote: For those who didn't realize, throughout the history of ASL (all 16 seasons in the past), whoever wins the first game in the finals always wins the title, until SK just broke this pattern in ASL 17. A truly master of comeback. FWIW, SK might be one of the least diligent pros, he was playing League of Legends for 6+ hours just a few days before the finals. SK and HerO both played no sponsor matches or events in the days leading up to the Finals. Few other top zergs also weren't playing. Usually that means they're practicing offline. Pretty certain they did over 12 hours of ZvZ specific practice and brainstorming leading up to the finals. Which is honestly less than what they did for the semi-finals and quarter finals. ZvZ can't really be practiced for that much or brainstormed for that much. It the most basic match-up. I know for the JyJ vs Mind finals from last year they spend the entire week leading up to the finals playing only TvTs offline. Season 16 finals also had Soulkey not streaming for the entire week beside 2 proleagues at the start of that week. Soulkey documented pro vs pro games(only streamed games count) from ELOBOARD leading up to the finals: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/gelulFD.png) Hero's games: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/SKKlUOC.png) | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria370 Posts
Deserved win for my fav zerg guy. If Z winning vs Z isn't proof of Zesagi, don't know what is - even Z can't win vs Z... | ||
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superjoppe
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21685 Posts
On April 28 2024 23:46 superjoppe wrote: ZvZ4 pages of comments for an ASL final lol? Is the BW scene dying, or is no one caring about ZvZ? | ||
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bochs
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Nirli
Bulgaria370 Posts
On April 28 2024 23:46 superjoppe wrote: 4 pages of comments for an ASL final lol? Is the BW scene dying, or is no one caring about ZvZ? Considering the only practice was the players going to the PC shop for new keyboards because SZ keys broke - yeah. | ||
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fearthequeen
United States787 Posts
All but Game 6. G1: 12H expo > 12H main G2: 12P > 9P G3: 11P > 9P G4: 12H > 11H G5: 12P > 9P G6: 9P > OvP G7: 12H > 11P | ||
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TMNT
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On April 28 2024 16:54 Highgamer wrote: With the current setup at the ASL venue - the players sitting on stage right in front of the audience, with just a screen blocking their view of the audience, wearing ear-buds and head-sets/ear protection, aka no booth - wow comes they don't have issues with crowd reactions giving away stuff to the players? Is the crowd too small to be loud enough or is the crowd just urged to stay quiet? What about the casters' yelling? They do. The lastest major incident was Royal finding out Shuttle's proxy DT (his SCV missed Shuttle's proxy buildings by a few pixels but then turned back after hearing the crowd's reaction). I think it happened just last season. They (the organizers) don't care though as far as I know. | ||
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Ideas
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On April 29 2024 07:43 TMNT wrote: They do. The lastest major incident was Royal finding out Shuttle's proxy DT (his SCV missed Shuttle's proxy buildings by a few pixels but then turned back after hearing the crowd's reaction). I think it happened just last season. They (the organizers) don't care though as far as I know. Was there any backlash from korean fanbase about this? I remember being really pissed off about it haha. And shuttle has a really big fanbase... | ||
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Ideas
United States8100 Posts
On April 27 2024 22:50 BLinD-RawR wrote: there's a general feeling that players are more comfortable playing at home than in a booth. I think that's always been the case, but back in the KESPA days there were a lot of players that became way more comfortable playing offline because there were so many more offline games in a year (4+ starleagues and year-round proleague meant that A or S class players were playing 60+ games per year offline), and those games were THE only things that mattered. Nowadays offline games are almost a novelty (even if you're making the Ro8 regularly, you're only playing a handful of games on stage per year), and money-wise matters way less than online proleague matches. Kind of crazy though that a guy like Jaedong who has played 100s of offline games (maybe over a 1000 between BW and SC2 + prelims and special tournaments etc?) has already lost a a bit of his cool from playing offline just after a couple years of offline atrophy. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
On April 29 2024 06:03 fearthequeen wrote: All but Game 6. G1: 12H expo > 12H main G2: 12P > 9P G3: 11P > 9P G4: 12H > 11H G5: 12P > 9P G6: 9P > OvP G7: 12H > 11P I demand that in a ZvZ, the overlords are instantly teleported to each other's mains. Would lead to some more hive tech macro games when both players can eek out every last larva into a drone. | ||
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Ideas
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On April 30 2024 02:13 FlaShFTW wrote: I demand that in a ZvZ, the overlords are instantly teleported to each other's mains. Would lead to some more hive tech macro games when both players can eek out every last larva into a drone. lol easier to just make it a rule that in zvzs every player has to 12hatch or something  | ||
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NoS-Craig
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
On April 30 2024 03:32 Ideas wrote: lol easier to just make it a rule that in zvzs every player has to 12hatch or something Could work but still no vision so one person could simply ling all in the other player and take a gamble. With full vision with instant OV's in each other's bases, you know what build they're doing and both players can play greedy with lots of drones, making hive tech more likely. | ||
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ZeroByte13
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On April 30 2024 17:21 NoS-Craig wrote: Back to back? This is nothing. Check out Ladies ASL.Yer I was hoping to see some longer games of maybe just 1 late game ZvZ. Alas, it is ZvZ. Congratulations to Soulkey for the Back2Back wins.  Ladies AfreecaTV StarCraft LeagueToSsGirL won 9 out of 10 LASLs she participated in, and all finals were 4-0 or at best 4-1 stomps. | ||
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